should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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Jatin K

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Dear all

I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1] ,
My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ? is there any
significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?


[1]
Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series

Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT enabled )

RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz

Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
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On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:

> Dear all
>
> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1] ,
> My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ? is there any
> significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>
>
> [1]
> Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>
> Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
> enabled )
>
> RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>
> Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it, because only
a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full capacities. Google is
your friend.

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> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>> Dear all
>>
>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1]
>> , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ? is there any
>> significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>
>> Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>> enabled )
>>
>> RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>
>> Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
> Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it, because
> only a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full capacities.
> Google is your friend.
>
ok  thank you for your kind reply

one more question is there in my mind .... that will I see any
significant improvements in speed related issue if I go with 64bit
version of OS  ??

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On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:

> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>> Dear all
>>>
>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1]
>>> , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ? is there any
>>> significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>>
>>> Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>>> enabled )
>>>
>>> RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>>
>>> Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
>> Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it, because
>> only a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full capacities.
>> Google is your friend.
>>
> ok  thank you for your kind reply
>
> one more question is there in my mind .... that will I see any
> significant improvements in speed related issue if I go with 64bit
> version of OS  ??
>
Some people reported overall speed increases because of the reasons
mentioned earlier; however, do you have a reason not to go 64-bit?

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On 11/03/2009 02:55 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:

> On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>> Dear all
>>>>
>>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major
>>>> configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit
>>>> version ? is there any significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>>>
>>>> Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>>>> enabled )
>>>>
>>>> RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>>>
>>>> Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
>>> Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it, because
>>> only a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full capacities.
>>> Google is your friend.
>>>
>> ok  thank you for your kind reply
>>
>> one more question is there in my mind .... that will I see any
>> significant improvements in speed related issue if I go with 64bit
>> version of OS  ??
>>
> Some people reported overall speed increases because of the reasons
> mentioned earlier; however, do you have a reason not to go 64-bit?
>
one I heard that adobe flash has some problems with 64bit kernel .....
and other 32bit software creates some problem

( I'm not instrumenting with you ...  I just need suggestion from the
list .... so please don't misunderstand me  )

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On 11/03/2009 12:15 PM, Jatin K wrote:

> On 11/03/2009 02:55 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>
>>>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major
>>>>> configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit
>>>>> version ? is there any significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>>>>
>>>>> Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>>>>> enabled )
>>>>>
>>>>> RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>>>>
>>>>> Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
>>>> Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it, because
>>>> only a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full capacities.
>>>> Google is your friend.
>>>>
>>> ok  thank you for your kind reply
>>>
>>> one more question is there in my mind .... that will I see any
>>> significant improvements in speed related issue if I go with 64bit
>>> version of OS  ??
>>>
>> Some people reported overall speed increases because of the reasons
>> mentioned earlier; however, do you have a reason not to go 64-bit?
>>
> one I heard that adobe flash has some problems with 64bit kernel .....
> and other 32bit software creates some problem
>
> ( I'm not instrumenting with you ...  I just need suggestion from the
> list .... so please don't misunderstand me  )
>
> Regards
>
My thinking is it's not safe to decide on what you've heard. Flash works
like a charm on all my 64-bit systems; and what is that "other software"
are you referring to? 64-bit Linux has also 32-bit libs if needed.

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On 11/03/2009 03:58 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:

> On 11/03/2009 12:15 PM, Jatin K wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 02:55 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major
>>>>>> configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit
>>>>>> version ? is there any significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>>>>>> enabled )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
>>>>> Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it,
>>>>> because only a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full
>>>>> capacities. Google is your friend.
>>>>>
>>>> ok  thank you for your kind reply
>>>>
>>>> one more question is there in my mind .... that will I see any
>>>> significant improvements in speed related issue if I go with 64bit
>>>> version of OS  ??
>>>>
>>> Some people reported overall speed increases because of the reasons
>>> mentioned earlier; however, do you have a reason not to go 64-bit?
>>>
>> one I heard that adobe flash has some problems with 64bit kernel
>> ..... and other 32bit software creates some problem
>>
>> ( I'm not instrumenting with you ...  I just need suggestion from the
>> list .... so please don't misunderstand me  )
>>
>> Regards
>>
> My thinking is it's not safe to decide on what you've heard. Flash
> works like a charm on all my 64-bit systems; and what is that "other
> software" are you referring to? 64-bit Linux has also 32-bit libs if
> needed.
>
ok then I will go for 64bit ......  thank you very much for kind
information ...


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[SOLVED]should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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> On 11/03/2009 12:15 PM, Jatin K wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 02:55 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major
>>>>>> configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit
>>>>>> version ? is there any significant benefit if I use 64bit version ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> Model :- Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Processor:- Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>>>>>> enabled )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RAM :- 3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graphics :- Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
>>
> My thinking is it's not safe to decide on what you've heard. Flash
> works like a charm on all my 64-bit systems; and what is that "other
> software" are you referring to? 64-bit Linux has also 32-bit libs if
> needed.
>
Ok , I have find this [a] by googling

[a]
---------------------------

For 64-bit Ubuntu, finding the proper 32-bit support packages is a
simple matter of opening up the Synaptic Package Manager, and searching
for the string “ia32”. With 64-bit openSuSE, 32-bit support is already
built-in, so you don’t have to do anything. With Fedora, though, it’s a
whole different story. Not only are the 32-bit packages not already
installed, the Fedora folk don’t provide any documentation on how to
install them. The directions I found via Google were outdated, and
wouldn’t work. I finally resolved the problem by asking a Red Hat
employee in my local Linux Users Group.

*Add an “rpm” Macro*

This isn’t an absolute necessity, but it’s handy. Add the following line
to the “/etc/rpm/macros” file:

%_query_all_fmt %%{name}-%%{version}-%%{release}.%%{arch}

Now, when you query for information about rpm packages, you’ll be able
to see whether they’re 32-bit or 64-bit packages.

sudo rpm -q SDL
SDL-1.2.13-9.fc11.x86_64

*Add the Libraries*

Next, add the 32-bit libraries by copying the following list, and
pasting it into a text file. Save it as “Fedora-ia32.txt”.

arts.i586
audiofile.i586
bzip2-libs.i586
cairo.i586
compat-expat1-1.95.8-4.i586
compat-libstdc++-33-3.2.3-63.i586
compiz.i586
cyrus-sasl-lib.i586
dbus-libs.i586
directfb.i586
esound-libs.i586
fltk.i586
freeglut.i586
gphoto2.i586
gtk2.i586
hal-libs.i586
imlib.i586
jack-audio-connection-kit.1.i586
java.i586
lcms-libs.i586
lesstif.i586
libacl.i586
libaio-0.3.106-4.2.i586
libao.i586
libattr.i586
libcap.i586
libdrm.i586
libexif.i586
libgcrypt-1.4.0-3.i586
libgnomecanvas.i586
libICE.i586
libieee1284.i586
libsigc++20.i586
libSM.i586
libtool-ltdl.i586
libusb.i586
libwmf.i586
libwmf-lite.i586
libX11.i586
libXau.i586
libXaw.i586
libXcomposite.i586
libXdamage.i586
libXdmcp.i586
libXext.i586
libXfixes.i586
libxkbfile.i586
libxml2.i586
libXmu.i586
libXp.i586
libXpm.i586
libXScrnSaver.i586
libxslt.i586
libXt.i586
libXTrap.i586
libXtst.i586
libXv.i586
libXxf86vm.i586
lzo.i586
mesa-libGL.i586
mesa-libGLU.i586
nas-libs.i586
nss_ldap.i586
opencdk.i586
openldap.i586
pam.i586
popt.i586
pulseaudio-libs.i586
sane-backends-libs-gphoto2.i586
sane-backends-libs.i586
SDL.i586
svgalib.i586
unixODBC.i586
zlib.i586

Finally, “su” to a root shell, and run the following command:

# for i in $(< Fedora-ia32.txt ); do yum -y install $i; done

When the process completes, you can verify that you have both 32-bit and
64-bit packages installed.

sudo rpm -q SDL
SDL-1.2.13-9.fc11.x86_64
SDL-1.2.13-9.fc11.i586

*A Caveat*

By having to use the entire package name, all the way up through the
arch designation, we open ourselves up to a slight problem. That is,
package version numbers are also part of the package names. So, by the
time you read this, the script may have been partially broken due to
Fedora packages having been updated to newer versions. Here’s the way
around that.

Go ahead and do the procedure as written. Then, as root, run the
following command:

for i in $(< Fedora-ia32.txt ); do rpm -q >> rpm_results.txt $i; done

If package versions have changed, you’ll see a “not installed” error
message for it in the output file. Then, you can open Yum Extender, and
search for the update version to install.
*Conclusion*

The reason that the directions that I found via Google didn’t work, is
that the package list referenced the “i386” packages that were part of
Fedora 10. With Fedora 11, the “i386” packages have been replaced by
“i586” packages


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Re: [SOLVED]should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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On 11/03/2009 02:16 PM, Jatin K wrote:

> On 11/03/2009 03:58 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 12:15 PM, Jatin K wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2009 02:55 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major
>>>>>>> configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit
>>>>>>> version ? is there any significant benefit if I use 64bit version ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> Model :- Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Processor:- Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>>>>>>> enabled )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RAM :- 3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Graphics :- Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
>>>
>> My thinking is it's not safe to decide on what you've heard. Flash
>> works like a charm on all my 64-bit systems; and what is that "other
>> software" are you referring to? 64-bit Linux has also 32-bit libs if
>> needed.
>>
> Ok , I have find this [a] by googling
>
> [a]
> ---------------------------
>
> For 64-bit Ubuntu, finding the proper 32-bit support packages is a
> simple matter of opening up the Synaptic Package Manager, and
> searching for the string “ia32”. With 64-bit openSuSE, 32-bit support
> is already built-in, so you don’t have to do anything. With Fedora,
> though, it’s a whole different story. Not only are the 32-bit packages
> not already installed, the Fedora folk don’t provide any documentation
> on how to install them. The directions I found via Google were
> outdated, and wouldn’t work. I finally resolved the problem by asking
> a Red Hat employee in my local Linux Users Group.
>
> *Add an “rpm” Macro*
>
> This isn’t an absolute necessity, but it’s handy. Add the following
> line to the “/etc/rpm/macros” file:
>
> %_query_all_fmt %%{name}-%%{version}-%%{release}.%%{arch}
>
> Now, when you query for information about rpm packages, you’ll be able
> to see whether they’re 32-bit or 64-bit packages.
>
> sudo rpm -q SDL
> SDL-1.2.13-9.fc11.x86_64
>
> *Add the Libraries*
>
> Next, add the 32-bit libraries by copying the following list, and
> pasting it into a text file. Save it as “Fedora-ia32.txt”.
>
> arts.i586
> audiofile.i586
> bzip2-libs.i586
> cairo.i586
> compat-expat1-1.95.8-4.i586
> compat-libstdc++-33-3.2.3-63.i586
> compiz.i586
> cyrus-sasl-lib.i586
> dbus-libs.i586
> directfb.i586
> esound-libs.i586
> fltk.i586
> freeglut.i586
> gphoto2.i586
> gtk2.i586
> hal-libs.i586
> imlib.i586
> jack-audio-connection-kit.1.i586
> java.i586
> lcms-libs.i586
> lesstif.i586
> libacl.i586
> libaio-0.3.106-4.2.i586
> libao.i586
> libattr.i586
> libcap.i586
> libdrm.i586
> libexif.i586
> libgcrypt-1.4.0-3.i586
> libgnomecanvas.i586
> libICE.i586
> libieee1284.i586
> libsigc++20.i586
> libSM.i586
> libtool-ltdl.i586
> libusb.i586
> libwmf.i586
> libwmf-lite.i586
> libX11.i586
> libXau.i586
> libXaw.i586
> libXcomposite.i586
> libXdamage.i586
> libXdmcp.i586
> libXext.i586
> libXfixes.i586
> libxkbfile.i586
> libxml2.i586
> libXmu.i586
> libXp.i586
> libXpm.i586
> libXScrnSaver.i586
> libxslt.i586
> libXt.i586
> libXTrap.i586
> libXtst.i586
> libXv.i586
> libXxf86vm.i586
> lzo.i586
> mesa-libGL.i586
> mesa-libGLU.i586
> nas-libs.i586
> nss_ldap.i586
> opencdk.i586
> openldap.i586
> pam.i586
> popt.i586
> pulseaudio-libs.i586
> sane-backends-libs-gphoto2.i586
> sane-backends-libs.i586
> SDL.i586
> svgalib.i586
> unixODBC.i586
> zlib.i586
>
> Finally, “su” to a root shell, and run the following command:
>
> # for i in $(< Fedora-ia32.txt ); do yum -y install $i; done
>
> When the process completes, you can verify that you have both 32-bit
> and 64-bit packages installed.
>
> sudo rpm -q SDL
> SDL-1.2.13-9.fc11.x86_64
> SDL-1.2.13-9.fc11.i586
>
> *A Caveat*
>
> By having to use the entire package name, all the way up through the
> arch designation, we open ourselves up to a slight problem. That is,
> package version numbers are also part of the package names. So, by the
> time you read this, the script may have been partially broken due to
> Fedora packages having been updated to newer versions. Here’s the way
> around that.
>
> Go ahead and do the procedure as written. Then, as root, run the
> following command:
>
> for i in $(< Fedora-ia32.txt ); do rpm -q >> rpm_results.txt $i; done
>
> If package versions have changed, you’ll see a “not installed” error
> message for it in the output file. Then, you can open Yum Extender,
> and search for the update version to install.
> *Conclusion*
>
> The reason that the directions that I found via Google didn’t work, is
> that the package list referenced the “i386” packages that were part of
> Fedora 10. With Fedora 11, the “i386” packages have been replaced by
> “i586” packages
>
>
Well, what do you know? How about yum search SDL | grep i586 or sudo yum
install yumex ? :)

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Re: should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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> Dear all
>
> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1] ,
> My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ?
Depends on what you plan to use this notebook for.


> is there any
> significant benefit if I use 64bit version ?
In theory, there are benefits to use the 64bit version.

In practice, these benefits (esp. on a "desktop notebook") are hardly
measurable and can easily be outweighed by other factors attached to 64bit.

So, my answer to your question: Provided how you ask, you likely don't
have real uses for 64bit.

Ralf

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Re: [SOLVED]should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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> On 11/03/2009 02:16 PM, Jatin K wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 03:58 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2009 12:15 PM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2009 02:55 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>>> On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major
>>>>>>>> configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit
>>>>>>>> version ? is there any significant benefit if I use 64bit
>>>>>>>> version ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> Model :- Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Processor:- Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>>>>>>>> enabled )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RAM :- 3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Graphics :- Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
>>>>
>>> My thinking is it's not safe to decide on what you've heard. Flash
>>> works like a charm on all my 64-bit systems; and what is that "other
>>> software" are you referring to? 64-bit Linux has also 32-bit libs if
>>> needed.
>>>
>>
>>
> Well, what do you know? How about yum search SDL | grep i586 or sudo
> yum install yumex ? :)
>
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> On 11/03/2009 08:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>> Dear all
>>
>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1] ,
>> My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ?
> Depends on what you plan to use this notebook for.
>
>
>> is there any
>> significant benefit if I use 64bit version ?
> In theory, there are benefits to use the 64bit version.
>
> In practice, these benefits (esp. on a "desktop notebook") are hardly
> measurable and can easily be outweighed by other factors attached to
> 64bit.
>
> So, my answer to your question: Provided how you ask, you likely don't
> have real uses for 64bit.
>
> Ralf
>
I personally prefer to use the most out of my hardware, but Ralf's
answer is a good one : it all depends on what you use it for.

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Re: [SOLVED]should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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> Ok , I have find this [a] by googling
>
> [a]
> ---------------------------
>
> For 64-bit Ubuntu, finding the proper 32-bit support packages is a
> simple matter of opening up the Synaptic Package Manager, and
> searching for the string “ia32”. With 64-bit openSuSE, 32-bit
> support is already built-in, so you don’t have to do anything. With
> Fedora, though, it’s a whole different story. Not only are the
> 32-bit packages not already installed, the Fedora folk don’t provide
> any documentation on how to install them. The directions I found via
> Google were outdated, and wouldn’t work. I finally resolved the
> problem by asking a Red Hat employee in my local Linux Users Group.
[...snip...]

I'm not reprinting the rest of this because it's flat out wrong.
Ubuntu's 32-bit support on 64-bit platforms is pretty cracktastic if
you ask me.

In Fedora, you don't need to do anything specific for 32-bit library
support -- yum handles it all thanks to multilib support, and has for
quite a long time.  Bad, outdated advice is actually worse than no
advice at all.  If you found this page[1] then you'll notice my
comment in the comments section where I corrected the wrong advice.

If you're installing a 32-bit application via yum for some reason,
such as 'yum install newprogram.i586' (or newprogram.i686 in Fedora 12
or beyond), the 32-bit libraries will be brought down.

If you're installing an RPM you get from somewhere outside a yum
repository, you can do 'yum localinstall newpackage-1.0.i586.rpm' to
do the same thing.

If the application still has problems and complains about a missing
library, it's a bad packaging job by the vendor, not Fedora at fault.

You can often find the problem by reading the error output.  If you
get a message that says something like "Can't open library
/usr/lib/libfoo.so.1", you can look it up with yum and install it
yourself, with 'yum install /usr/lib/libfoo.so.1'.

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> On 11/03/2009 02:55 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>> On 11/03/2009 11:15 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>> On 11/03/2009 01:34 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>
>>>>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major
>>>>> configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit
>>>>> version ? is there any significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>>>>>
>
>>> one more question is there in my mind .... that will I see any
>>> significant improvements in speed related issue if I go with 64bit
>>> version of OS  ??
>>>
>> Some people reported overall speed increases because of the reasons
>> mentioned earlier; however, do you have a reason not to go 64-bit?
>>
> one I heard that adobe flash has some problems with 64bit kernel .....
> and other 32bit software creates some problem
>
> ( I'm not instrumenting with you ...  I just need suggestion from the
> list .... so please don't misunderstand me  )
>
> Regards
>

I have use Fedora 64 bit since I could.  I have only come into one
problem.   Some CODECS don't work in 64 bit with mplayer/vlc.  I have to
transcode those files in 32 bit to save the files.

Indeo (sp) CODECS for those interested.

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> On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote:
>> Dear all
>>
>> I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1]
>> , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ? is there any
>> significant benefit  if I use 64bit version ?
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> Model :-         Dell Vostro 1520 P-series
>>
>> Processor:-    Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT
>> enabled )
>>
>> RAM :-           3GB DDR2 800Mhz
>>
>> Graphics :-    Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M
> Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it, because
> only a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full capacities.
> Google is your friend.
>
It will not make all that much of a difference on a laptop with 3GB of
RAM. The real questioin these days is "why should I not run 64-bit?"
according to this ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368607 )
article which is a very good treatise on 32/64-bit. Some software is
simply not supported on 64-bit, and takes a lot of work to get functioning.

Having only 3GB of RAM, you do not *need* 64-bit, and you will not
benefit from the larger addressable space. I would go 32-bit with that
particular computer, but that is only a personal preference. I use
32-bit operating systems (Linux and Windows 7) on my laptop and 64-bit
on my tower, simply because the laptop only has 4GB (3372MB usable but
not a big deal to me) and the tower has 8GB (and runs 3D rendering
software frequently).

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> Having only 3GB of RAM, you do not *need* 64-bit,

True.

> and you will not
> benefit from the larger addressable space.

That depends.

Any software that can make use of more than 3 GB of virtual memory space
will benefit from a 64 bit install. This could be something like the
GIMP with lots of open images, or a GIMP session where you’ve had lots
of images you’ve been working on and the virtual memory has been
fragmented.

I’d also advise the Original Poster to consider whether he might ever
upgrade this laptop.

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> Any software that can make use of more than 3 GB of virtual memory space
> will benefit from a 64 bit install. This could be something like the

Such as the kernel ... which is much happier in 64bit mode with over 1GB
of RAM.

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Re: [SOLVED]should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?

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> If you're installing an RPM you get from somewhere outside a yum
> repository, you can do 'yum localinstall newpackage-1.0.i586.rpm' to
> do the same thing.

You can even use 'install' instead of the more wordy 'localinstall' in
recent versions of yum.

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| > Any software that can make use of more than 3 GB of virtual memory space
| > will benefit from a 64 bit install. This could be something like the
|
| Such as the kernel ... which is much happier in 64bit mode with over 1GB
| of RAM.

Is there some URL I could visit that qualifies this?

I'm not doubting you, but I would like to have a mental model of roughly
why and how 64-bit mode benefits a system.

Leaving aside any x86 architecturable hobbling that may be cleaner in the
emt64 world, I would have naively assumed that (absent a need to access >4GB
of RAM or mmap >4GB of a file) 32-bit would use physically smaller
instructions and generally require physically less bandwidth.

Presumably these presumptions are wrong or misleading; I'd like to know
how.

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| On 03Nov2009 23:45, Alan Cox <[hidden email]> wrote:
| | Such as the kernel ... which is much happier in 64bit mode with over 1GB
| | of RAM.
|
| Is there some URL I could visit that qualifies this?
| I'm not doubting you, but I would like to have a mental model of roughly
| why and how 64-bit mode benefits a system. [...]

BTW, I found this:
  http://forums.amd.com/devblog/blogpost.cfm?threadid=93648&catid=317
which is interesting but doesn't give me much clue about why the kernel
might like it.
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