scanning delivery conf #'s at beginning of route

[carrier_bob]

We have 2 carriers that insist on scanning all or most of their del conf #'s at the beginning of the day.  Isn't this wrong, shouldn't this be done when the items are actually placed in the mail boxes?  It seems like this is not right, but how should this be handled?  Our PM said we need to scan when we actually deliver, but this carrier insists as long as the item is delivered its no big deal. Its frustrating when some of us try to do the job correctly and others do it the easy way just to get it done and grab a paycheck.

[rkbcjb]

just worry about yourself

[carrier-bob]

you must be from my office.  Thanks for the great words of wisdom.  See you at work tomorrow

[middle of nowhere]

    you are supposed to scan when delivered,  it probably won't take to long before the office gets a letter from district, asking why this is going on.  my sub did this for a while, but all taking care of now.

[joe]

I think you should go tell on them.  Raise your hand and waive it around frantically while going "ooooh, ooooh".  When the postmaster calls on you, tattle.  He will then pat you on the head.

[Sahagan]

Truly, it seems to  me to be ill-advised to scan all delivery confirmations and so forth before leaving the office....What if the drive to your delivery is blocked, and you can't effect delivery? Or a new and devastatingly dangerous dog has moved in next door and is waiting in ambush for you to leave the car, thereby keeping you from making delivery?

Items requiring a signature have to be held for scanning until the signature is affixed to the 3849, so really, I don't get it. In the long run, it may well end up being a false economy that could generate a reprimand one of these days.

Sahagan

[regular23]

If carriers are scanning their d/c's prior to leaving the office, then they are basically going against Postal Service policy, which according to po603 section 281.2 "At the delivery point", says scans must be made at the time of delivery (281.21), or at the time of attempt (281.22). If those carriers want to risk possible discipline over this then let them be. You should, (as said previously), do YOUR job they way it should be done, and worry about YOUR JOB. Let the others in your office do the same.

[rkbcjb]

OOOOOOO postal policy.....brought to by the same people who ran us into the ground.

[waitingnline]

This has been going on in my office for years packages end up never making it to the customer and no one does anything about it just pissed off customers all the time.

[shaman]

I used to scan my small parcels in the morning ,then bundle them with the mail..the customer said he never recieved the package ..the computer showed delivered at 9am..the costomer said he never gets to this part of the route untill 2pm. the customer was out of luck because it was scanned delivered.I was severly warned..and emberresed because the customer was a carrier from another office..so scan on delivery..

[SirBru]

We used to have a manager and sup that would go to the "runners" all suck-up and sugar-sweetsy every morning and actually help them scan  all their del-cons( BEFORE actual event occurs)....making sure, of course, that they didn't  deliver any thing that " might be out of the way " or  "a problem" ( notify.. notify... notify... WINK ...WINK!!!) They would try to talk them out of delivering most everything that wouldn't fit in a  mailbox. The pay off ,of course, was a major cooking of the books .... things like coming in a 5AM and documenting 7:30 AM and declaring "1hr lunches"  ( that never took place) ,etc.... Alot of that stuff still goes on... the more things change, the more thay REMAIN THE SAME. THE WHOLE EVAL SYSTEM IS A FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[don't bug me]

Are you kidding me?  I'm surprised that there are so many people who are shrugging this off.  The whole purpose of the delivery confirmations, are knowing what time your package arrived in your mailbox.  If you are scanning the parcels before starting the route, that defeats the whole purpose of this.  What if you lost that parcel, or misdelivered it?  You can't really track it then, now can you?  No wonder the USPS is loosing money.  I work with someone who i know is scanning their parcels before the route, and it bugs me.  I dont' say anything.  But why bother having this system?  A few months ago, a customer called to inquire about their missing parcel, only to find out it was "delivered" at 9:48 am.  How can that be, when the customer lives at the end of the route and never gets their mail before 2pm.  The truth is, is that it was 9:48 am when the parcel was "loaded" into the vehicle.  It defeats the whole purpose of "delivery confirmation".  And I think, personally, it is "falsifying" records and is grounds for termination.  That is MY OPINION!   What if UPS did that, or Fedex?  What if it was your package missing.  I think our customers deserve better, and in this economy, we are lucky to have this job, we're paid pretty damn good too.  In some cases, people pay EXTRA for that delivery confirmation.  I'm right, and you know it!

[Vax]

   Our craft is full of morons who save themselves a few seconds by doing stupid things like a scan on items not delivered yet, then they cry when someone wants them to do it right, but thats a managers job, not ours, ignore the goons,  had a carrier in my office a number a years ago would run route differently every day, she had an accident in the middle of the route, but when PM went out to investigate, and he brought a sub to finish her route, she had to explain, she ran it her way no the Po way, she got canned!   The folks who scan improperly, work off the clock, dont attempt accountables, will loose their jobs, do your job properly and ignore the dopes who dont!

[T KAY]

You took the words right out of my mouth !!!!    
   
    Thank you !!


     

[Vax]

   They are dumb enough to declare one hour lunches, when the are only allowed a half an hour, smart folks!!!

[Phil74501]

In our district they check the times of deliveries regularly.  If they catch a route with 25 delivery confirmations all at the same time, we hear about it.  In the old days you could get by with that stuff, not anymore.  They're trying to be like UPS and be able to say it was delivered at such and such time.  

[SirBru]

...."The folks who scan improperly, work off the clock, dont attempt accountables, will loose their jobs, do your job properly and ignore the dopes who dont! ..."


if ONLY that were true VAX, ...if only that were true!... but the fact is that those who are screwing us are always management's FAVORITE carriers, They are treated as the prize pets and can do  no wrong. The more they cheat and defraud the game, the more management's bonuses roll in and the further and further raped the honest carriers become. Mangenent has ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER for you , your family, or the patrons!!! Put up a front, make the bonus, and appease your upline with ANY MANNER of sychophantry IS THEIR ONLY GAME!!!!!!!!

[djschett]

So true SirBru, you must work in my office!

[Vax]

   Seems like every districts little hitler in charge  has different priorities, ours DM has us all on FSS and , its been stated here 40 H is our standard expect no more if they can help it, miss a scan you get a low, their favorite proclamatiom there will be discipline awarded for any mistakes, need a sick day, need Drs excuse,Urban areas stink!!

[reg carrier not retiring]

Well, a timely topic.  A month after a week of annual leave,  I learn a customer on my route did NOT receive a package as he expected.  the tracking #  said   delivered at 930 am     Normally I wouldn't even approach that box until at least 12 pm.   So, I have to assume the sub  did the scan the delivery at 930 am,    But, the box is no where to be found.  So, did they leave at the wrong house?  I have no idea, 5 weeks later.