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In response to this article about having to make 2 billion savings in
schools.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8267745.stm

the following package is currently pretty much standard in schools,  but
 runs only on windows, which of course requires a windows server to
store data etc

http://www.capitaes.co.uk/sims/

What is needed by a school to go fully OSS is a real alternative, to the
above,  PLUS related support and infrastructure to back it up,

I think there are solutions out there.

Paul

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Chris Hilliard

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To some extent, I agree with you - a massive saving across the board
could be achived by the utilisation of open source software, but there
are major issues with this idea that nobody has solved as yet.

Firstly, you speak of schools moving completely to OSS. This is all
well and good, but doesn't it remove one of the most important parts
of OSS and the free software movement? It implicitly removes freedom
of choice by creating a monopoly - this has a tendency to stifel
innovation as we have seen from Microsoft's dominance.

I also strongly disagree that we have the inferstructure or the
corectly taught staff to facilitate this change. Most systems admins
in schools are purely trained on windows, caussing serious issues for
a changeover.

Another issue that is of concern is the movement of data and more
specificaly databases of student information off the propriatory
windows systems, which is not easy to start with, as it can often mean
manual data imput, and for a school of 2000, that's no joke.

Finaly, there is the long standing issue of windows licences -
Microsoft forces a school to licence every computing device,
irespective of wether it runs Windows or otherwise, meaning that even
apple machines in schools are slapped with a Microsoft tax, so a
smooth transition would be more expensive and cost prohibative than
the current setup.

All in all, there are a significant number of barriers to getting
widespread Linux useage in schools, many I hope, can be removed fairly
soon.

Thanks,
Badspyro

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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8267745.stm
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> the following package is currently pretty much standard in schools,  but
>  runs only on windows, which of course requires a windows server to
> store data etc
>
> http://www.capitaes.co.uk/sims/
>
> What is needed by a school to go fully OSS is a real alternative, to the
> above,  PLUS related support and infrastructure to back it up,
>
> I think there are solutions out there.
>
> Paul
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Chris Hilliard wrote:
> To some extent, I agree with you - a massive saving across the board
> could be achived by the utilisation of open source software, but there
> are major issues with this idea that nobody has solved as yet.
>
> Firstly, you speak of schools moving completely to OSS. This is all
> well and good, but doesn't it remove one of the most important parts
> of OSS and the free software movement? It implicitly removes freedom
> of choice by creating a monopoly - this has a tendency to stifel
> innovation as we have seen from Microsoft's dominance.


>
> I also strongly disagree that we have the inferstructure
I raised the concern that we don't have this,  so agree we don't have
this but need it to make progress.

 or the
> corectly taught staff to facilitate this change. Most systems admins
> in schools are purely trained on windows, caussing serious issues for
> a changeover.

I used windows for years,  and then moved to linux with zero training, I
am self taught and have IBT 2 as one of my computer qualifications.  I
can see the need technically but if someone wants to learn Linux they
will do so,

>
> Another issue that is of concern is the movement of data and more
> specificaly databases of student information off the propriatory
> windows systems, which is not easy to start with, as it can often mean
> manual data imput, and for a school of 2000, that's no joke.
>

Yes,  i agree here,  which shows a sticking point and the real problem
with propriatary software.  if it was OSS to start with then data would
be interoperable and transferable much easier (or I am guessing it would)


> Finaly, there is the long standing issue of windows licences -
> Microsoft forces a school to licence every computing device,
> irespective of wether it runs Windows or otherwise, meaning that even
> apple machines in schools are slapped with a Microsoft tax, so a
> smooth transition would be more expensive and cost prohibative than
> the current setup.

progress has been made here
http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=40552

>
> All in all, there are a significant number of barriers to getting
> widespread Linux useage in schools, many I hope, can be removed fairly
> soon.
>
Barriers yes, but its more to do with attitude of staff,

http://opensourceschools.org.uk/mount-tamar-special-school-whole-school-curriculum.html

ok this sort of thing is a start.  go back to what you said earlier
freedom of choice so we should be offering a range of options so
children / young people can get access to a variety of OS's and license
models, free, propratary, and perhaps debate and look at the pro's /
con's of each.

I am sure a whole term of lessons could be centred around just that issue.

Lets keep optimistic,  and we can make a difference.

Paul


> Thanks,
> Badspyro
>
> On 9/27/09, Paul Sutton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> In response to this article about having to make 2 billion savings in
> schools.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8267745.stm
>
> the following package is currently pretty much standard in schools,  but
>  runs only on windows, which of course requires a windows server to
> store data etc
>
> http://www.capitaes.co.uk/sims/
>
> What is needed by a school to go fully OSS is a real alternative, to the
> above,  PLUS related support and infrastructure to back it up,
>
> I think there are solutions out there.
>
> Paul
>
>>
>>
>>

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