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Good afternoon list,

Back in August Markus and I talked about getting through the last
couple of hurdles for incubation. I hope everyone is back from
holidays now and rested up.

I mentioned getting done in time for this years FOSS4G conference. It
looks like they are not doing an update from all the different
projects this year; so we won't be on the hook to talk about our
progress in public this year :-)

Can I ask for a status update?  We only have a few volunteers on the
incubation committee; and other projects are waiting to get in.

Jody

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Hi Jody,

we're now *really* close to finishing the last bits of the code provenance review, as you can see on the status page
(https://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceReviewReport).

We think we will have the rest done before the end of next week.

Best regards,
Markus

Jody Garnett wrote:

> Good afternoon list,
>
> Back in August Markus and I talked about getting through the last
> couple of hurdles for incubation. I hope everyone is back from
> holidays now and rested up.
>
> I mentioned getting done in time for this years FOSS4G conference. It
> looks like they are not doing an update from all the different
> projects this year; so we won't be on the hook to talk about our
> progress in public this year :-)
>
> Can I ask for a status update?  We only have a few volunteers on the
> incubation committee; and other projects are waiting to get in.
>
> Jody
>
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Markus Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Jody,
>
> we're now *really* close to finishing the last bits of the code provenance review, as you can see on the status page
> (https://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceReviewReport).

Yeah :-)

That page is a marvel of clarity given the topic - you are to be
congratulated. I see you are having fun with a patched version of
http-client which is always a pain; if you submit the patch to apache
commons the source code is *published* (as long as apache commons has
a public bug tracker).

I will also point out you do not need all issues resolved in order to
graduate; the point is to actually look and find out any issues so we
know what we are up against.

> We think we will have the rest done before the end of next week.

Remember I am here to help so if you need to tag me in for any
questions please let me know.

Jody

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Hi Jody,

we finished the code provenance review for all relevant SVN modules! See
http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceReviewReport

However, there are still a few open issues that we analyzed, but were not able to resolve yet:

= deegree 2 (base) =

http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceBase
Could you please comment on issues 2 and 3?


= deegree 2 (igeoportal) =

http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenance_iGeoPortal
Could you please comment on the open issues here as well?


= deegree 2 (owswatch) =

http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenance_owsWatch


= External libraries in our SVN =

http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceReviewReport#Module.27base.27
Can you share your thoughts on the libraries that still have a question mark?

Best regards,
Markus

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Markus Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Jody,
>
> we finished the code provenance review for all relevant SVN modules! See
> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceReviewReport
>

That is great news! Congratulations.

> However, there are still a few open issues that we analyzed, but were not able to resolve yet:

That is fine; the point is to find the issues (you can fix them on
your own time - even after graduation). That said I will try and
provide
some comments. Just please keep in mind this is friendly advise and
the decision rests in the hands of the PSC - and resolving these
issues is not required for graduation.

Thank you for all the hard work; can we have a shared Skype or IRC
session and go over the graduation requirements and ensure you are
happy? The next step is for me to nominate you and for us to play Q&A
with the incubation list.

Jody

> = deegree 2 (base) =
>
> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceBase
> Could you please comment on issues 2 and 3?

Issue 2 matches GeoAPI interfaces (such as CodeList). This code is
released under its own license (so you will need to refer to that in
the header for these files; and include the license in the zip.

>From the GeoAPI website:
-----
GeoAPI is free software. GeoAPI may be used, modified and
redistributed by anyone for any purpose requring only maintaining the
copyright and license terms on the source code and derivative files.
See the OGC legal page for details.

The copyright to the GeoAPI interfaces is held by the Open Geospatial
Consortium.
-----
(with a link to http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/legal)

Issue 3 is an interesting one - You reference the correct (c) 2003 in
your header; that provides a history others can review to establish
ownership. You may also talk to  to the author directly; since 2003
many books have tightened up their language making it clear that you
can use their work as a starting point. Until then you are providing
credit where credit is due. There does not appear to be a problem
here.

> = deegree 2 (igeoportal) =
>
> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenance_iGeoPortal
> Could you please comment on the open issues here as well?
>
> = deegree 2 (owswatch) =
>
> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenance_owsWatch
>

The story you tell here is fine; tell that story in the header; and
try and contact the author. The idea with the header is to communicate
what is know right now.
So short term I would make a header consisting of exactly your summary
on that page.

> = External libraries in our SVN =
>
> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceReviewReport#Module.27base.27
> Can you share your thoughts on the libraries that still have a question mark?

In general you are distributing these libraries in accordance with
their license. In cases where you have your own fork - say
commons-httpclient-2.0.2-deegreeversion.jar you actually have an
interesting issue. You need to be sure that the code is available for
others (and whatever else Apache License asks). And you are taking
responsibility for shipping that fork of httpclient as a distinct
artifact. In my case I usually submit a patch back to the original
project; and consider the source code published as a result. You can
link to the bug report w/ patch in your providence review ...

Other then that I am not always sure why there is a ? for some of
these libraries. mysql-connector-java-5.1.7-bin.jar is always a
trouble since what does it mean for a jdbc-driver to be GPL?

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Hi Jody,

thanks for the quick reply and the comments.

> That is fine; the point is to find the issues (you can fix them on
> your own time - even after graduation). That said I will try and
> provide
> some comments. Just please keep in mind this is friendly advise and
> the decision rests in the hands of the PSC - and resolving these
> issues is not required for graduation.
>
> Thank you for all the hard work; can we have a shared Skype or IRC
> session and go over the graduation requirements and ensure you are
> happy? The next step is for me to nominate you and for us to play Q&A
> with the incubation list.
This sounds great!

Maybe you can just join channel #deegree (IRC) tomorrow or any other working day. I am usually around from 09:30 CET
until about 19:00 CET. What timezone are you in again? If it does not work out, please propose some other time.

I will have a look at your comments in detail tomorrow.

Best regards,
Markus

>> = deegree 2 (base) =
>>
>> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceBase
>> Could you please comment on issues 2 and 3?
>
> Issue 2 matches GeoAPI interfaces (such as CodeList). This code is
> released under its own license (so you will need to refer to that in
> the header for these files; and include the license in the zip.
>
>>From the GeoAPI website:
> -----
> GeoAPI is free software. GeoAPI may be used, modified and
> redistributed by anyone for any purpose requring only maintaining the
> copyright and license terms on the source code and derivative files.
> See the OGC legal page for details.
>
> The copyright to the GeoAPI interfaces is held by the Open Geospatial
> Consortium.
> -----
> (with a link to http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/legal)
>
> Issue 3 is an interesting one - You reference the correct (c) 2003 in
> your header; that provides a history others can review to establish
> ownership. You may also talk to  to the author directly; since 2003
> many books have tightened up their language making it clear that you
> can use their work as a starting point. Until then you are providing
> credit where credit is due. There does not appear to be a problem
> here.
>
>> = deegree 2 (igeoportal) =
>>
>> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenance_iGeoPortal
>> Could you please comment on the open issues here as well?
>>
>> = deegree 2 (owswatch) =
>>
>> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenance_owsWatch
>>
>
> The story you tell here is fine; tell that story in the header; and
> try and contact the author. The idea with the header is to communicate
> what is know right now.
> So short term I would make a header consisting of exactly your summary
> on that page.
>
>> = External libraries in our SVN =
>>
>> http://wiki.deegree.org/deegreeWiki/OSGeoIncubationCodeProvenanceReviewReport#Module.27base.27
>> Can you share your thoughts on the libraries that still have a question mark?
>
> In general you are distributing these libraries in accordance with
> their license. In cases where you have your own fork - say
> commons-httpclient-2.0.2-deegreeversion.jar you actually have an
> interesting issue. You need to be sure that the code is available for
> others (and whatever else Apache License asks). And you are taking
> responsibility for shipping that fork of httpclient as a distinct
> artifact. In my case I usually submit a patch back to the original
> project; and consider the source code published as a result. You can
> link to the bug report w/ patch in your providence review ...
>
> Other then that I am not always sure why there is a ? for some of
> these libraries. mysql-connector-java-5.1.7-bin.jar is always a
> trouble since what does it mean for a jdbc-driver to be GPL?
>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Markus Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This sounds great!
>
> Maybe you can just join channel #deegree (IRC) tomorrow or any other working day. I am usually around from 09:30 CET until about 19:00 CET.

That will be fine there is usually some overlap with Europe at the end
of my work day; I will leave myself signed into the channel and you
can say hi.

Jody

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