how can I make phone call with open moko? (perhaps is a battery issue)

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Zhang Weiwu

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Hi. I am a developer but most of my time is spent on web application and
daily business & life. I ordered the free runner in the hope that i can
use it for my daily phone, then I will be more motivated to improve it.

In 2008 the phone arrived with battery life of less than one day,
because it doesn't suspend right. I put it on the self as I cannot use
it. Two months ago a friend gets SHR running on it which looks much more
useful than it was before, but sometimes when it suspend, a phone call
can wake it up, sometimes it doesn't, and usually at the end of a day it
cannot wake up (in the morning it works fine, perhaps because it is
newly charged).

Instead of exploring all 10 distributions and try different versions of
each, my simple answer as a user (not a developer for openmoko yet) is,
what can I do to make my free runner work as an ordinary phone? An
ordinary phone allows me to dail whenever I need it and doesn't fail
that, it also accepts incoming call for a day or so after charged. I can
live without phone book / calendar / calculator / radio / gps etc, but I
couldn't use it if it is not usable as a phone.

I have a feeling when it is suspended the machine still consumes a lot
of power. When it is awake it takes -204mA power according to SHR's
Setting -> Power (the -204mA is confusing so I take it as 204mA), my
battery is 1200mAh so it lasts 5 hours when fully awaken, but it lasted
such long time when most time unused (and turned black). I believe when
I don't use it it is suspended because when phone call comes in it
scrolls a lot of text which look like kernel resume message before
offering me to pick up the phone.

I also wonder how many other buyers of free runner use it as daily phone
and how reliable it is as a phone?

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Zhang Weiwu <[hidden email]> wrote:


Instead of exploring all 10 distributions and try different versions of
each, my simple answer as a user (not a developer for openmoko yet) is,
what can I do to make my free runner work as an ordinary phone?


Install latest SHR Unstable release or QT moko

both work quite well as daily use phones for me (minor bugs are still there) with acceptable battery life and wake up from suspend.

Rakshat

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François-Léonard Gilbert

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There is at least me!

I am crrently using QtMoko, and if the Power Management options are  
set the battery lasts me about 36 hours, including a few minutes of  
talk, GPS and game playing.   Battery life depends also on the GSM  
reception you have;  the less bars you have, the more power the radio  
consumes.

Francois


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2009/10/8 Zhang Weiwu <[hidden email]>:
> In 2008 the phone arrived with battery life of less than one day,
> because it doesn't suspend right. I put it on the self as I cannot use
> it. Two months ago a friend gets SHR running on it which looks much more
> useful than it was before, but sometimes when it suspend, a phone call
> can wake it up, sometimes it doesn't, and usually at the end of a day it
> cannot wake up (in the morning it works fine, perhaps because it is
> newly charged).

yers, i find mine needs rebooting every day or so. there are some who
have issues with the screen not turning on when it comes out of
suspend

> Instead of exploring all 10 distributions and try different versions of
> each, my simple answer as a user (not a developer for openmoko yet) is,
> what can I do to make my free runner work as an ordinary phone? An
> ordinary phone allows me to dail whenever I need it and doesn't fail
> that, it also accepts incoming call for a day or so after charged. I can
> live without phone book / calendar / calculator / radio / gps etc, but I
> couldn't use it if it is not usable as a phone.

i use shr-unstable for several months now, and for the last 2 it's
been great - reliable (save the very rare issue as above). it's fine
as an every day phone, for text and calls, although it needs charging
every two days

> I have a feeling when it is suspended the machine still consumes a lot
> of power. When it is awake it takes -204mA power according to SHR's
> Setting -> Power (the -204mA is confusing so I take it as 204mA), my
> battery is 1200mAh so it lasts 5 hours when fully awaken, but it lasted
> such long time when most time unused (and turned black). I believe when
> I don't use it it is suspended because when phone call comes in it
> scrolls a lot of text which look like kernel resume message before
> offering me to pick up the phone.

correct

> I also wonder how many other buyers of free runner use it as daily phone
> and how reliable it is as a phone?

plenty, from what i've heard

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Robin Paulson wrote:

> 2009/10/8 Zhang Weiwu <[hidden email]>:
>  
>>  when it suspend, a phone call
>> can wake it up, sometimes it doesn't, and usually at the end of a day it
>> cannot wake up (in the morning it works fine, perhaps because it is
>> newly charged).
>>    
>
> yers, i find mine needs rebooting every day or so. there are some who
> have issues with the screen not turning on when it comes out of
> suspend
How is the behavior when it freezes and need a reboot? In my case if I
touch the screen, it turns white, and nothing. Press any button on the
phone (there are not so many in total), no respond, then I have to
reboot it.
 Is it the same case with you?

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rakshat hooja wrote:
> Install latest SHR Unstable release or QT moko
>
I would prefer a system with poorer feature if it provide stability. QT
Moko's lack of feature gives me an image of more stable (while SHR
explained they are not stable), I hope the image did not fool me. Do you
think QT moko is the way to go if I want least trouble using it as an
ordinary phone?

Personally I prefer ELF/GTK much more than QT, but phone at the moment
is also a work & life tool for me, I'd emphasize personal preference
when I have some spare time to work on the project.

Thank you all for your suggestions and feedback!

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Zhang Weiwu wrote:

> rakshat hooja wrote:
>  
>> Install latest SHR Unstable release or QT moko
>>
>>    
> I would prefer a system with poorer feature if it provide stability. QT
> Moko's lack of feature gives me an image of more stable (while SHR
> explained they are not stable), I hope the image did not fool me. Do you
> think QT moko is the way to go if I want least trouble using it as an
> ordinary phone?
>  
I say this also because my SHR is too months ago, not too old, and yet
it did not offer the stability I want, although I could not tell if it
is SHR matter or if somewhere in the phone itself is not working right.

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2009/10/9 Zhang Weiwu <[hidden email]>:
>> yers, i find mine needs rebooting every day or so. there are some who
>> have issues with the screen not turning on when it comes out of
>> suspend
> How is the behavior when it freezes and need a reboot? In my case if I
> touch the screen, it turns white, and nothing. Press any button on the
> phone (there are not so many in total), no respond, then I have to
> reboot it.
>  Is it the same case with you?

no, i've never had a wsod - the screen goes black very occasionally

also, sometimes it won't suspend after a call, or the dialler app
won't close when the other person hangs up

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