fetaure request - idetnify read messages by login

[David Beaumont]

Can nabble show me which messages I have already read, based on my login not on my browser history? Common in other forums.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

You are not the first person to request this feature. I remember some users wanted this feature because they used two or more computers and their browser history isn't shared. So they get confused when they switch computers. Is this your case?

[David Beaumont]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

I think it may be an objection in principle to this way of using the browser cache, here is a members response:

 

"But that only applies within the memory of your browser's cache, it

will 'forget' what you have read in many cases:-

If you clear the cache (many people do this every time they log

out, for security).

If you use a different browser, less likely but possible.

If you use a different computer - very likely.

If/when the browser simply runs out of cache space and/or decides

it's time to 'forget'."

More useful perhaps may be the ability to only show unread posts a feature which relying on browser cache cannot achieve. 

---

From: Hugo <Nabble> [via Nabble Support] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 26 October 2009 19:18
To: David Beaumont
Subject: Re: fetaure request - idetnify read messages by login

You are not the first person to request this feature. I remember some users wanted this feature because they used two or more computers and their browser history isn't shared. So they get confused when they switch computers. Is this your case?

[Hugo <Nabble>]

I guess we will be able to implement this in a few months, after we release templates. This will have to stay low priority for the next months, but will not be forgotten. I will let you know when we are ready to work on this.

[David Beaumont]

Hi Hugo we have closed the black sea forum we had, can we keep the archives
though?

Best wishes

David

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hi David, yes, the archives can be kept. But where is this forum now?

[David Beaumont]

Sorry to mail the lot of you, not sure who knows about this issue, Hugo and
Will have both looked at it in the past.

The threading by meta data problem, fixed below in 2007, has returned with
Nabble 2.  See just above
http://n4.nabble.com/DBAc-Rivers-Lot-and-Baise-td584994i20.html#a621478 just
above that post the subject changes completely within the thread. It changes
from "DBAc: Rivers Lot and Baise "  to "DBAc: ICCs - an update "  Members
are replying to an email, changing the subject and sending it, it then gets
threaded in the original subject .  

Is there some way we can resurrect the fix you implemented below so it is
ongoing not just for archive data transfer?

Thanks

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of Nabble Support
> Sent: 15 October 2007 22:29
> To: David Beaumont
> Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
>
> This is done now. Please check and let us know if you still
> have problems.
>
> On 8/31/07, David Beaumont <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Thanks very much, look forward to it.  Will it work for
> future posts?
> >
> > David
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > Sent: 31 August 2007 00:11
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
> > >
> > > I just want to let you know that we are still working on the
> > > rethreading for your archive. It's not as easy as it seems.
> > > We have one programmer working on it right now, should finish
> > > in a few days.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Will
> > >
> > >
> > > David Beaumont wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I still don't understand why this is such an issue with
> > > technos..  The
> > > > fact is people do and have changed the subject to start a
> > > new one and
> > > > we have no way of stopping them (apart for asking, sure
> > > that will work!).
> > > >
> > > > Software should reflect how people work not punish them for
> > > not working
> > > > the way software wants them to.   And the second example
> > > you quote seems
> > > > to support the need for threading by subject.  If you
> don't do this
> > > > you will be left behind by software that does.
> > > >
> > > > lastly is there some drawback with offering the ability to
> > > thread by
> > > > subject?  No one has told me yet.
> > > >
> > > > I can feel the urge to type 'alternative to nabble ' into
> > > Google as I
> > > > write.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > Quoted from:
> > > http://www.nabble.com/thread-by-subject-not-metadata-please-tf
> > 4235849.html#a12245373
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Hugo <Nabble>]

You are right, David. We will put this code back and have it working just like the old Nabble. I will let you know when this is already working.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hi David, this should be fixed now.

[David Beaumont]

In addition to the issue below I'm told that if a topic is started in
Nabble2 and someone replies by email then the reply is not threaded with the
original.  This is a serious problem.  Not noticed it before in Nabble1 so I
assume it is new.

Please can you let me know you are receiving these emails.

Thanks

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Beaumont [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 16 November 2009 12:37
> To: 'Nabble Support'; '[hidden email]'; 'Hugo <Nabble> [via
> Nabble Support]'
> Subject: RE: thread by subject not metadata please
>
> Sorry to mail the lot of you, not sure who knows about this
> issue, Hugo and Will have both looked at it in the past.
>
> The threading by meta data problem, fixed below in 2007, has
> returned with Nabble 2.  See just above
> http://n4.nabble.com/DBAc-Rivers-Lot-and-Baise-td584994i20.htm
> l#a621478 just above that post the subject changes completely
> within the thread. It changes from "DBAc: Rivers Lot and
> Baise "  to "DBAc: ICCs - an update "  Members are replying
> to an email, changing the subject and sending it, it then
> gets threaded in the original subject .  
>
> Is there some way we can resurrect the fix you implemented
> below so it is ongoing not just for archive data transfer?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> > Behalf Of Nabble Support
> > Sent: 15 October 2007 22:29
> > To: David Beaumont
> > Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
> >
> > This is done now. Please check and let us know if you still
> > have problems.
> >
> > On 8/31/07, David Beaumont <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Thanks very much, look forward to it.  Will it work for
> > future posts?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > > Sent: 31 August 2007 00:11
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
> > > >
> > > > I just want to let you know that we are still working on the
> > > > rethreading for your archive. It's not as easy as it seems.
> > > > We have one programmer working on it right now, should finish
> > > > in a few days.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David Beaumont wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still don't understand why this is such an issue with
> > > > technos..  The
> > > > > fact is people do and have changed the subject to start a
> > > > new one and
> > > > > we have no way of stopping them (apart for asking, sure
> > > > that will work!).
> > > > >
> > > > > Software should reflect how people work not punish them for
> > > > not working
> > > > > the way software wants them to.   And the second example
> > > > you quote seems
> > > > > to support the need for threading by subject.  If you
> > don't do this
> > > > > you will be left behind by software that does.
> > > > >
> > > > > lastly is there some drawback with offering the ability to
> > > > thread by
> > > > > subject?  No one has told me yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can feel the urge to type 'alternative to nabble ' into
> > > > Google as I
> > > > > write.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > Quoted from:
> > > > http://www.nabble.com/thread-by-subject-not-metadata-please-tf
> > > 4235849.html#a12245373
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[David Beaumont]

Here is an example:

"The most recent example is with the subject Bank Account in France on Main
Nabble Forum
http://n4.nabble.com/DBA-The-Barge-Association-main-list-f222579.html.  The
single subject is fragmented into 5 different threads.  When I noticed this
yesterday, these five threads had a total of 6 postings - the only Reply
that was correctly threaded was Bob Marsland's one.  There are a few more
replies now, but of course the sequence is already upset. "

Best wishes

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Beaumont [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 18 November 2009 11:36
> To: 'Nabble Support'; '[hidden email]'; 'Hugo <Nabble> [via
> Nabble Support]'
> Subject: RE: thread by subject not metadata please
> Importance: High
>
> In addition to the issue below I'm told that if a topic is
> started in Nabble2 and someone replies by email then the
> reply is not threaded with the original.  This is a serious
> problem.  Not noticed it before in Nabble1 so I assume it is new.
>
> Please can you let me know you are receiving these emails.
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Beaumont [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: 16 November 2009 12:37
> > To: 'Nabble Support'; '[hidden email]'; 'Hugo <Nabble> [via
> > Nabble Support]'
> > Subject: RE: thread by subject not metadata please
> >
> > Sorry to mail the lot of you, not sure who knows about this
> > issue, Hugo and Will have both looked at it in the past.
> >
> > The threading by meta data problem, fixed below in 2007, has
> > returned with Nabble 2.  See just above
> > http://n4.nabble.com/DBAc-Rivers-Lot-and-Baise-td584994i20.htm
> > l#a621478 just above that post the subject changes completely
> > within the thread. It changes from "DBAc: Rivers Lot and
> > Baise "  to "DBAc: ICCs - an update "  Members are replying
> > to an email, changing the subject and sending it, it then
> > gets threaded in the original subject .  
> >
> > Is there some way we can resurrect the fix you implemented
> > below so it is ongoing not just for archive data transfer?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> > > Behalf Of Nabble Support
> > > Sent: 15 October 2007 22:29
> > > To: David Beaumont
> > > Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
> > >
> > > This is done now. Please check and let us know if you still
> > > have problems.
> > >
> > > On 8/31/07, David Beaumont <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > Thanks very much, look forward to it.  Will it work for
> > > future posts?
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > > > Sent: 31 August 2007 00:11
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
> > > > >
> > > > > I just want to let you know that we are still working on the
> > > > > rethreading for your archive. It's not as easy as it seems.
> > > > > We have one programmer working on it right now, should finish
> > > > > in a few days.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Will
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > David Beaumont wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still don't understand why this is such an issue with
> > > > > technos..  The
> > > > > > fact is people do and have changed the subject to start a
> > > > > new one and
> > > > > > we have no way of stopping them (apart for asking, sure
> > > > > that will work!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Software should reflect how people work not punish them for
> > > > > not working
> > > > > > the way software wants them to.   And the second example
> > > > > you quote seems
> > > > > > to support the need for threading by subject.  If you
> > > don't do this
> > > > > > you will be left behind by software that does.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lastly is there some drawback with offering the ability to
> > > > > thread by
> > > > > > subject?  No one has told me yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can feel the urge to type 'alternative to nabble ' into
> > > > > Google as I
> > > > > > write.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > Quoted from:
> > > > > http://www.nabble.com/thread-by-subject-not-metadata-please-tf
> > > > 4235849.html#a12245373
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >

[David Beaumont]

Quite a few of our users are complaining about this, below is another one
that may help you identify the problem.

Best wishes

David


"E-Mail is threaded by checking the References: header in the message,
this has the Message-ID: of messages which 'higher up' in the thread
and the mail client program uses this to show the thread.  Some mail
clients can also be told to thread by matching the Subject: with
previous messages but this is obviously less reliable (and won't get
the order or branching correct).

Newsreaders use the same information in the headers, i.e. the
References: header, to thread messages.

Looking at the "steering wheels" thread in the Main list it's obvious
that something (presumably Nabble) is screwing things up.  Looking at
the first message in the thread I see:-

    Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
    [no references as it's the first in the thread]

    Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
    References:
<[hidden email]><[hidden email]
e.com> <[hidden email]>

... and all subsequent messages have a mailman Message-ID: and
references to Nabble.  So, essentially, as far as I can see Nabble
hijacks the references and puts its own references there which breaks
eveything for both E-Mail and newsgroup subscribers.

Given that *most* people still use the lists by E-Mail this seems
rather a bad thing!  ... and complaining that E-Mail users are
hi-jacking threads etc. is a bit much too since the threading is
completely broken by Nabble anyway."

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Beaumont [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 18 November 2009 12:35
> To: 'Nabble Support'; '[hidden email]'; 'Hugo <Nabble> [via
> Nabble Support]'
> Subject: RE: thread by subject not metadata please
>
> Here is an example:
>
> "The most recent example is with the subject Bank Account in
> France on Main
> Nabble Forum
> http://n4.nabble.com/DBA-The-Barge-Association-main-list-f2225
> 79.html.  The
> single subject is fragmented into 5 different threads.  When
> I noticed this
> yesterday, these five threads had a total of 6 postings - the
> only Reply
> that was correctly threaded was Bob Marsland's one.  There
> are a few more
> replies now, but of course the sequence is already upset. "
>
> Best wishes
>
> David
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Beaumont [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: 18 November 2009 11:36
> > To: 'Nabble Support'; '[hidden email]'; 'Hugo <Nabble> [via
> > Nabble Support]'
> > Subject: RE: thread by subject not metadata please
> > Importance: High
> >
> > In addition to the issue below I'm told that if a topic is
> > started in Nabble2 and someone replies by email then the
> > reply is not threaded with the original.  This is a serious
> > problem.  Not noticed it before in Nabble1 so I assume it is new.
> >
> > Please can you let me know you are receiving these emails.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Beaumont [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > Sent: 16 November 2009 12:37
> > > To: 'Nabble Support'; '[hidden email]'; 'Hugo <Nabble> [via
> > > Nabble Support]'
> > > Subject: RE: thread by subject not metadata please
> > >
> > > Sorry to mail the lot of you, not sure who knows about this
> > > issue, Hugo and Will have both looked at it in the past.
> > >
> > > The threading by meta data problem, fixed below in 2007, has
> > > returned with Nabble 2.  See just above
> > > http://n4.nabble.com/DBAc-Rivers-Lot-and-Baise-td584994i20.htm
> > > l#a621478 just above that post the subject changes completely
> > > within the thread. It changes from "DBAc: Rivers Lot and
> > > Baise "  to "DBAc: ICCs - an update "  Members are replying
> > > to an email, changing the subject and sending it, it then
> > > gets threaded in the original subject .  
> > >
> > > Is there some way we can resurrect the fix you implemented
> > > below so it is ongoing not just for archive data transfer?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> > > > Behalf Of Nabble Support
> > > > Sent: 15 October 2007 22:29
> > > > To: David Beaumont
> > > > Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
> > > >
> > > > This is done now. Please check and let us know if you still
> > > > have problems.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/31/07, David Beaumont <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > Thanks very much, look forward to it.  Will it work for
> > > > future posts?
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > > > > Sent: 31 August 2007 00:11
> > > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: thread by subject not metadata please
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just want to let you know that we are still working on the
> > > > > > rethreading for your archive. It's not as easy as it seems.
> > > > > > We have one programmer working on it right now,
> should finish
> > > > > > in a few days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Will
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Beaumont wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I still don't understand why this is such an issue with
> > > > > > technos..  The
> > > > > > > fact is people do and have changed the subject to start a
> > > > > > new one and
> > > > > > > we have no way of stopping them (apart for asking, sure
> > > > > > that will work!).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Software should reflect how people work not
> punish them for
> > > > > > not working
> > > > > > > the way software wants them to.   And the second example
> > > > > > you quote seems
> > > > > > > to support the need for threading by subject.  If you
> > > > don't do this
> > > > > > > you will be left behind by software that does.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > lastly is there some drawback with offering the ability to
> > > > > > thread by
> > > > > > > subject?  No one has told me yet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can feel the urge to type 'alternative to nabble ' into
> > > > > > Google as I
> > > > > > > write.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Quoted from:
> > > > > >
> http://www.nabble.com/thread-by-subject-not-metadata-please-tf
> > > > > 4235849.html#a12245373
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hi David, this happens because your mailing list archive is configured to create threads by subject. If you look at the "Bank Account in France" topic, it doesn't have the "DBAm:" text in the subject. This is also true for the reply by Bob Marsland. Those emails that were not archived correctly have that text in the subject and thus represent a new topic. I know the the "DBAm:" text is the mailing list prefix, but it comes in a non-standard format (standard format should be [DBAm] -- standard format is handled by our code). I will talk to the team and look for solutions.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

hi David, I want to configure your forum archive to automatically remove the "DBAm:" text from all subjects. This will solve the threading problem and will also make the topics cleaner. What do you think? Would this be a problem for you and your colleagues? Please let me know.

[Hugo <Nabble>]

Hi David, the first message in that "steering wheel" thread was sent from Nabble, so it is correct to have @n4.nabble.com messageIds. It is mailman that is replacing our MessageIDs with mailman IDs and this will break the threading if somebody replies to a message that was sent from Nabble, received by mailman and forwarded to subscribers with a different ID. Then replies to this message will not thread correctly because they will have the mailman ID in the References. So please check if mailman has a specific configuration to fix this problem.

Please don't forget to give me your decision about this issue:
http://n2.nabble.com/fetaure-request-idetnify-read-messages-by-login-tp3892459p4027287.html

Regards,
Hugo Teixeira
Nabble.com