distributing "read-only" vector files?

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maning sambale

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Before anything else, let me introduce our dilemma.  We are a
non-profit geo-research institution.  In many cases we produce
geospatial datasets no other local institution can create in my
country at the moment.  What we create are sometimes benchmark info
useful to various research and policy initiatives.  At the moment we
have two broad users the public (we provide free download of pdf maps)
and special interest group (requesting for GIS data).  We always want
our datasets to be used by other geoshop.

However, we have several concerns regarding the release of GIS data:
1.  Securing "data integrity" - once released we cannot guarantee that
the data will be distributed from other sources with
alterations/changes.  Some of this data may contain critical info that
if used (coming from altered data), our institution "might" be blamed.
2.  Ensuring corrections will be reported back to us for data enhancement.
3. Ensuring non-commercial use of the data

I'm sure these concerns are not unique to us but also common to other
institutions.  I am hoping we can discuss options on how we can
resolve the above concerns in areas both technical and institutional
policy.

Any ideas?

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maning
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Rafal Wawer

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Hi Maning,
Normally many of those problem are solved by issuing metadata along with datasets. You can state there clearly who the provider and distributor is and what limitations of the use and distribution have, also the version, last update, quality etc. This much more organizational solution, where I think you could be safe from any blames - after all, people are free to contact the provider or distributor mentioned in the metadata.
You can also put a license of this data, stating the range of use and obligating any changes or updates to be reported to your institution.

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Raf

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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] distributing "read-only" vector files?

Before anything else, let me introduce our dilemma.  We are a non-profit geo-research institution.  In many cases we produce geospatial datasets no other local institution can create in my country at the moment.  What we create are sometimes benchmark info useful to various research and policy initiatives.  At the moment we have two broad users the public (we provide free download of pdf maps) and special interest group (requesting for GIS data).  We always want our datasets to be used by other geoshop.

However, we have several concerns regarding the release of GIS data:
1.  Securing "data integrity" - once released we cannot guarantee that the data will be distributed from other sources with alterations/changes.  Some of this data may contain critical info that if used (coming from altered data), our institution "might" be blamed.
2.  Ensuring corrections will be reported back to us for data enhancement.
3. Ensuring non-commercial use of the data

I'm sure these concerns are not unique to us but also common to other institutions.  I am hoping we can discuss options on how we can resolve the above concerns in areas both technical and institutional policy.

Any ideas?

--
cheers,
maning
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Woolard, Zachary S.

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Some sort of release or disclaimer might be a route that you want to
take.  Basically something that states the purpose of the dataset, and
that you make no warranty as to the correctness, that resale is
prohibited, etc.  Get it in writing that the parties who receive the
data understand what your stipulations of use are.  

Zachary

 

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Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] distributing "read-only" vector files?

Before anything else, let me introduce our dilemma.  We are a
non-profit geo-research institution.  In many cases we produce
geospatial datasets no other local institution can create in my
country at the moment.  What we create are sometimes benchmark info
useful to various research and policy initiatives.  At the moment we
have two broad users the public (we provide free download of pdf maps)
and special interest group (requesting for GIS data).  We always want
our datasets to be used by other geoshop.

However, we have several concerns regarding the release of GIS data:
1.  Securing "data integrity" - once released we cannot guarantee that
the data will be distributed from other sources with
alterations/changes.  Some of this data may contain critical info that
if used (coming from altered data), our institution "might" be blamed.
2.  Ensuring corrections will be reported back to us for data
enhancement.
3. Ensuring non-commercial use of the data

I'm sure these concerns are not unique to us but also common to other
institutions.  I am hoping we can discuss options on how we can
resolve the above concerns in areas both technical and institutional
policy.

Any ideas?

--
cheers,
maning
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Look at the section called, "Copyright Information for use with  
Australian Bureau of Meteorology and CSIRO data"
at http://external.opengis.org/twiki_public/bin/view/ClimateChallenge2009/ScenarioAusBOM
for an example of how the Australian government has approached the  
situation.

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On Nov 3, at 7:58 AM, maning sambale wrote:

> Before anything else, let me introduce our dilemma.  We are a
> non-profit geo-research institution.  In many cases we produce
> geospatial datasets no other local institution can create in my
> country at the moment.  What we create are sometimes benchmark info
> useful to various research and policy initiatives.  At the moment we
> have two broad users the public (we provide free download of pdf maps)
> and special interest group (requesting for GIS data).  We always want
> our datasets to be used by other geoshop.
>
> However, we have several concerns regarding the release of GIS data:
> 1.  Securing "data integrity" - once released we cannot guarantee that
> the data will be distributed from other sources with
> alterations/changes.  Some of this data may contain critical info that
> if used (coming from altered data), our institution "might" be blamed.
> 2.  Ensuring corrections will be reported back to us for data  
> enhancement.
> 3. Ensuring non-commercial use of the data
>
> I'm sure these concerns are not unique to us but also common to other
> institutions.  I am hoping we can discuss options on how we can
> resolve the above concerns in areas both technical and institutional
> policy.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> cheers,
> maning
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> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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> Before anything else, let me introduce our dilemma.  We are a
> non-profit geo-research institution.  In many cases we produce
> geospatial datasets no other local institution can create in my
> country at the moment.  What we create are sometimes benchmark info
> useful to various research and policy initiatives.  At the moment we
> have two broad users the public (we provide free download of pdf maps)
> and special interest group (requesting for GIS data).  We always want
> our datasets to be used by other geoshop.
>
> However, we have several concerns regarding the release of GIS data:
> 1.  Securing "data integrity" - once released we cannot guarantee that
> the data will be distributed from other sources with

I think the best you can do here while trying to be relatively open is
to publish your data and provide md5 sums of the data or the tar balls.
If anyone is concerned about the source of the data or the correctness
of the data then they can easily verify it from your distribution web site.

> alterations/changes.  Some of this data may contain critical info that
> if used (coming from altered data), our institution "might" be blamed.

There is nothing stopping someone from making up false data without
using your data and publishing it as your be your data. Again making it
clear the the data is available only from your site and providing an
easy way to verify its correctness makes it easy to to people to
validate against it.

> 2.  Ensuring corrections will be reported back to us for data enhancement.

The best you can do here is have users sign a contract and audit them if
needed. This is not a technology issue.

> 3. Ensuring non-commercial use of the data

This has to be done via contract and legal obligations of the users.
This is not a technology issue.

> I'm sure these concerns are not unique to us but also common to other
> institutions.  I am hoping we can discuss options on how we can
> resolve the above concerns in areas both technical and institutional
> policy.
>
> Any ideas?

If you are trying to be open, then be open! Look at OpenStreetMap and
how they do it. They have a page of license violations also.

If you want to be closed and controlling, then write an application the
manages all these issues and provides whatever GIS tools your potential
clients need and have it run off of encrypted data, and fear the day
when someone hacks you code and frees your data.

Another alternative might be to build an application framework like
google maps where you keep all your "secret" data on the server and only
allow your users to interact with the server.

My $0.02,
   -Steve W
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On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 08:58:58PM +0800, maning sambale wrote:

> Before anything else, let me introduce our dilemma.  We are a
> non-profit geo-research institution.  In many cases we produce
> geospatial datasets no other local institution can create in my
> country at the moment.  What we create are sometimes benchmark info
> useful to various research and policy initiatives.  At the moment we
> have two broad users the public (we provide free download of pdf maps)
> and special interest group (requesting for GIS data).  We always want
> our datasets to be used by other geoshop.
>
> However, we have several concerns regarding the release of GIS data:
> 1.  Securing "data integrity" - once released we cannot guarantee that
> the data will be distributed from other sources with
> alterations/changes.  Some of this data may contain critical info that
> if used (coming from altered data), our institution "might" be blamed.
> 2.  Ensuring corrections will be reported back to us for data enhancement.
> 3. Ensuring non-commercial use of the data
>
> I'm sure these concerns are not unique to us but also common to other
> institutions.  I am hoping we can discuss options on how we can
> resolve the above concerns in areas both technical and institutional
> policy.

My advice would be "Figure out how to deal with the fact that these are
not going to happen".

If you are distributing data that people care about altering, modifying,
etc. then there is no practical way to prevent them from doing so.
A license agreement of some kind can keep 'honest people honest', but no
means, technical or otherwise, will prevent people from distributing
data that they want to distribute.

Additionally, these types of restrictions typically serve to limit the
usefulness of the data -- the more restricted a dataset is, the more
likely you are to block legitimate usage unintentionally while
'protecting' the data.

That said, the last restriction is well-addressed by Creative Commons
licenses.

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maning sambale

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Thanks! These are all good suggestions.

> If you are trying to be open, then be open! Look at OpenStreetMap and how
> they do it. They have a page of license violations also.

I know about OSM and  I consider myself an active contributor in my
side of the hemisphere.
On a personal capacity, I come from the let's open geodata camp.  The
work environment is another issue, culture needs to be changed (you
know what I mean).

>fear the day when
> someone hacks you code and frees your data.
I very well know this can happen, but such a proposition to the
management isn't encouraging.

We need to make some compromises for the moment.
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