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Robert A. Knop Jr.

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Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would greatly benefit
from having the option to display your real name over your head in
addition to your avatar name.  There are a few solutions.  "Titler"
attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't make the
text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name bubbles do).  The
best solution is to create group roles for the people whose real names
you want to have floating over their heads, but that doesn't scale.
Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25 groups
(limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for others), and it
costs L$100 to create each group.

If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on, and vote for

  SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need* an easy way to
             display real life names

  VWR-2212 : non-group titles

A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to specify arbitrary
text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your head.  That would
not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people to have their
real name floating over their head, it would also mean that people
wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in order to
have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may people do right
now).

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Barbara Pittman

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Why isn't it enough to put your real name--if you want--in the Real Life section of your profile? Don't we expect that nearby voyeurs are always reading about us there?




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Robert A. Knop Jr.

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:01:56AM -0400, Barbara Pittman wrote:
> Why isn't it enough to put your real name--if you want--in the Real Life
> section of your profile? Don't we expect that nearby voyeurs are always
> reading about us there?

That's a good first step, but when people are in a meeting of folks with
whom they have a relationship outside of SL, it's nice to have an
immediately available identifier that lets them see who is who.  If
you're sitting around with a bunch of people, it's much easer to just
glance at them and see what their name is than to get up the profiles of
each person you want to identify -- especially if you'll have to do it
multiple times because you can't remember everything after the first
look.

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Miller, Peter

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Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)
There's a free nametag here (or rather on xstreet). As I recall, it has a link back to his company but it is another approach:
 
 
I guess it has the same disadvantages as the titlers but it looks more business-like.
 
Peter [SL: Graham Mills]
 

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barbara Pittman [[hidden email]]
Sent: 14 October 2009 15:01
To: SL Educators (The SLED List)
Subject: Re: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar

Why isn't it enough to put your real name--if you want--in the Real Life section of your profile? Don't we expect that nearby voyeurs are always reading about us there?




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Rolig Loon

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Creating a group is a one-time cost of about 38 cents -- hardly an
Earth-shaking economic barrier -- and it's not obvious to me why you
need to "manage" groups that only exist so people can put their names
over their heads.  Organize your students in groups of eight and have
them each pay a nickel to join.

Rolig

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Robert A. Knop Jr. <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would greatly benefit
> from having the option to display your real name over your head in
> addition to your avatar name.  There are a few solutions.  "Titler"
> attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't make the
> text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name bubbles do).  The
> best solution is to create group roles for the people whose real names
> you want to have floating over their heads, but that doesn't scale.
> Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25 groups
> (limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for others), and it
> costs L$100 to create each group.
>
> If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on, and vote for
>
>  SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need* an easy way to
>             display real life names
>
>  VWR-2212 : non-group titles
>
> A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to specify arbitrary
> text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your head.  That would
> not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people to have their
> real name floating over their head, it would also mean that people
> wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in order to
> have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may people do right
> now).
>
> --
> --Rob Knop
>  E-mail:    [hidden email]
>  Home Page: http://www.pobox.com/~rknop/
>  Blog:      http://www.scienceblogs.com/interactions
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Barbara Pittman

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Ye, it would be nice if the name were actually on the card and not hovering above it. I would only wear it in certain situations.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Miller, Peter <[hidden email]> wrote:
There's a free nametag here (or rather on xstreet). As I recall, it has a link back to his company but it is another approach:
 
 
I guess it has the same disadvantages as the titlers but it looks more business-like.
 
Peter [SL: Graham Mills]
 

From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barbara Pittman [[hidden email]]
Sent: 14 October 2009 15:01
To: SL Educators (The SLED List)
Subject: Re: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar

Why isn't it enough to put your real name--if you want--in the Real Life section of your profile? Don't we expect that nearby voyeurs are always reading about us there?




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LadyJane

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My real name never goes anywhere online. My "real name" for all purposes is
always my avatar name. My real life family even calls me by my avatar name.
I really don't see a "need" unless that person wants their real name shown,
however, when creating an avatar, you can easily use your real first name
and sometimes add your real last name as the first name, or for a fee you
can even have LL allow your real last name to be used.

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert A. Knop
Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:35 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar

Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would greatly benefit
from having the option to display your real name over your head in
addition to your avatar name.  There are a few solutions.  "Titler"
attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't make the
text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name bubbles do).  The
best solution is to create group roles for the people whose real names
you want to have floating over their heads, but that doesn't scale.
Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25 groups
(limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for others), and it
costs L$100 to create each group.

If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on, and vote for

  SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need* an easy way to
             display real life names

  VWR-2212 : non-group titles

A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to specify arbitrary
text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your head.  That would
not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people to have their
real name floating over their head, it would also mean that people
wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in order to
have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may people do right
now).

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Donelle Sydow

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There is an easy solution to this.  Simply create a small, transparent
ball, insert a hover script into it.  Put your name into the hover
script in the appropriate spot, and attach the invisible ball to your
head. I can make one for you if you'd like.

SL: eggshell Burks
Seattle School District Teacher

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 6:34 AM, Robert A. Knop Jr. <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would greatly benefit
> from having the option to display your real name over your head in
> addition to your avatar name.  There are a few solutions.  "Titler"
> attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't make the
> text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name bubbles do).  The
> best solution is to create group roles for the people whose real names
> you want to have floating over their heads, but that doesn't scale.
> Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25 groups
> (limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for others), and it
> costs L$100 to create each group.
>
> If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on, and vote for
>
>  SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need* an easy way to
>             display real life names
>
>  VWR-2212 : non-group titles
>
> A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to specify arbitrary
> text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your head.  That would
> not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people to have their
> real name floating over their head, it would also mean that people
> wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in order to
> have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may people do right
> now).
>
> --
> --Rob Knop
>  E-mail:    [hidden email]
>  Home Page: http://www.pobox.com/~rknop/
>  Blog:      http://www.scienceblogs.com/interactions
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Rolig Loon

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The same is true for me, LadyJane. I will never share my RL name
anywhere in SL, and vigorously resist any attempts to violate my
personal privacy. That's not the issue here, though. There are those
in SLED and elsewhere who have their own reasons to wanting to display
their RL names and find it diffiicult to do so. While I would
certainly never use that option myself, I recognize and appreciate
their need.  My only quick observation on reading Robert Knop's note
-- notice that he sits at the opposite end of a continuum from me, by
not using his SL name here -- is that residents already have a
relatively simple and trivially low-cost option with the Group
structure in SL. This is, thus, a small challenge with an easy,
exisiting solution.

Rolig

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM, LadyJane <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My real name never goes anywhere online. My "real name" for all purposes is
> always my avatar name. My real life family even calls me by my avatar name.
> I really don't see a "need" unless that person wants their real name shown,
> however, when creating an avatar, you can easily use your real first name
> and sometimes add your real last name as the first name, or for a fee you
> can even have LL allow your real last name to be used.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert A. Knop
> Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:35 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar
>
> Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would greatly benefit
> from having the option to display your real name over your head in
> addition to your avatar name.  There are a few solutions.  "Titler"
> attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't make the
> text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name bubbles do).  The
> best solution is to create group roles for the people whose real names
> you want to have floating over their heads, but that doesn't scale.
> Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25 groups
> (limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for others), and it
> costs L$100 to create each group.
>
> If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on, and vote for
>
>  SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need* an easy way to
>             display real life names
>
>  VWR-2212 : non-group titles
>
> A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to specify arbitrary
> text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your head.  That would
> not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people to have their
> real name floating over their head, it would also mean that people
> wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in order to
> have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may people do right
> now).
>
> --
> --Rob Knop
>  E-mail:    [hidden email]
>  Home Page: http://www.pobox.com/~rknop/
>  Blog:      http://www.scienceblogs.com/interactions
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Did anybody go to the talk last night about the U. Texas rollout of
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There is an easy solution to this.  Simply create a small, transparent
ball, insert a hover script into it.  Put your name into the hover
script in the appropriate spot, and attach the invisible ball to your
head. I can make one for you if you'd like.

SL: eggshell Burks
Seattle School District Teacher

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Rolig Loon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The same is true for me, LadyJane. I will never share my RL name
> anywhere in SL, and vigorously resist any attempts to violate my
> personal privacy. That's not the issue here, though. There are those
> in SLED and elsewhere who have their own reasons to wanting to display
> their RL names and find it diffiicult to do so. While I would
> certainly never use that option myself, I recognize and appreciate
> their need.  My only quick observation on reading Robert Knop's note
> -- notice that he sits at the opposite end of a continuum from me, by
> not using his SL name here -- is that residents already have a
> relatively simple and trivially low-cost option with the Group
> structure in SL. This is, thus, a small challenge with an easy,
> exisiting solution.
>
> Rolig
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:01 AM, LadyJane <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> My real name never goes anywhere online. My "real name" for all purposes is
>> always my avatar name. My real life family even calls me by my avatar name.
>> I really don't see a "need" unless that person wants their real name shown,
>> however, when creating an avatar, you can easily use your real first name
>> and sometimes add your real last name as the first name, or for a fee you
>> can even have LL allow your real last name to be used.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert A. Knop
>> Jr.
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:35 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar
>>
>> Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would greatly benefit
>> from having the option to display your real name over your head in
>> addition to your avatar name.  There are a few solutions.  "Titler"
>> attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't make the
>> text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name bubbles do).  The
>> best solution is to create group roles for the people whose real names
>> you want to have floating over their heads, but that doesn't scale.
>> Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25 groups
>> (limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for others), and it
>> costs L$100 to create each group.
>>
>> If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on, and vote for
>>
>>  SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need* an easy way to
>>             display real life names
>>
>>  VWR-2212 : non-group titles
>>
>> A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to specify arbitrary
>> text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your head.  That would
>> not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people to have their
>> real name floating over their head, it would also mean that people
>> wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in order to
>> have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may people do right
>> now).
>>
>> --
>> --Rob Knop
>>  E-mail:    [hidden email]
>>  Home Page: http://www.pobox.com/~rknop/
>>  Blog:      http://www.scienceblogs.com/interactions
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe
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Jonathan Greenlee

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Not to mention that this practice will stigmatize those not using a "real" name floater.  But I can see the usefulness in class situations were a teacher should be able to immediately identify which student an avatar is.

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, LadyJane <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: LadyJane <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar
> To: "'SL Educators (The SLED List)'" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:01 AM
> My real name never goes anywhere
> online. My "real name" for all purposes is
> always my avatar name. My real life family even calls me by
> my avatar name.
> I really don't see a "need" unless that person wants their
> real name shown,
> however, when creating an avatar, you can easily use your
> real first name
> and sometimes add your real last name as the first name, or
> for a fee you
> can even have LL allow your real last name to be used.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Robert A. Knop
> Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:35 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar
>
> Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would
> greatly benefit
> from having the option to display your real name over your
> head in
> addition to your avatar name.  There are a few
> solutions.  "Titler"
> attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't
> make the
> text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name
> bubbles do).  The
> best solution is to create group roles for the people whose
> real names
> you want to have floating over their heads, but that
> doesn't scale.
> Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25
> groups
> (limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for
> others), and it
> costs L$100 to create each group.
>
> If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on,
> and vote for
>
>   SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need*
> an easy way to
>          
>    display real life names
>
>   VWR-2212 : non-group titles
>
> A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to
> specify arbitrary
> text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your
> head.  That would
> not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people
> to have their
> real name floating over their head, it would also mean that
> people
> wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in
> order to
> have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may
> people do right
> now).
>
> --
> --Rob Knop
>   E-mail:    [hidden email]
>   Home Page: http://www.pobox.com/~rknop/
>   Blog:      http://www.scienceblogs.com/interactions
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Cathy Anderson-2

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This conversation is a good one and I believe students and any other resident of Second Life should have the option of where and how they display their names.  I know there is a reason for educators to want to see their students names ..so they can identify them..all of a sudden you are having to keep track of Real Life names and Second Life names.  I do have my real life name in my profile...My avatar is my Second LIfe business card so to speak.   Other may not feel the same and wish to exercise caution..I can't say as I blame them, I think that is wise...I am not always that wise! I have no real problems..but people have no problem of identifying me as some one from Wyoming. 

Asit is my aim to establish a professional identity in Second Life as an educator..I am Cathy Anderson there and everywhere.




On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Jonathan Greenlee <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not to mention that this practice will stigmatize those not using a "real" name floater.  But I can see the usefulness in class situations were a teacher should be able to immediately identify which student an avatar is.

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, LadyJane <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: LadyJane <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar
> To: "'SL Educators (The SLED List)'" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:01 AM
> My real name never goes anywhere
> online. My "real name" for all purposes is
> always my avatar name. My real life family even calls me by
> my avatar name.
> I really don't see a "need" unless that person wants their
> real name shown,
> however, when creating an avatar, you can easily use your
> real first name
> and sometimes add your real last name as the first name, or
> for a fee you
> can even have LL allow your real last name to be used.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Robert A. Knop
> Jr.
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:35 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [SLED] displaying real names over your avatar
>
> Hey -- educators and other "serious" users of SL would
> greatly benefit
> from having the option to display your real name over your
> head in
> addition to your avatar name.  There are a few
> solutions.  "Titler"
> attachments are a highly unsatisfactory solution (you can't
> make the
> text go away, and they don't auto-arrange the way name
> bubbles do).  The
> best solution is to create group roles for the people whose
> real names
> you want to have floating over their heads, but that
> doesn't scale.
> Groups can only have 8 custom roles, you can only have 25
> groups
> (limiting your ability to manage groups to do this for
> others), and it
> costs L$100 to create each group.
>
> If you're interested in this, take a look at, comment on,
> and vote for
>
>   SVC-4919 : Serious/professional users of SL *need*
> an easy way to
>          
>    display real life names
>
>   VWR-2212 : non-group titles
>
> A quick and dirty solution would be to allow people to
> specify arbitrary
> text in place of the 'group title' that goes over your
> head.  That would
> not only give a quick and (relatively) easy way for people
> to have their
> real name floating over their head, it would also mean that
> people
> wouldn't have to use the full system overhead of a group in
> order to
> have a miscellaneous bit of text in that spot (as may
> people do right
> now).
>
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Re: U Texas rollout

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Hi, Ellie,

Yes, I did. Several of us there snagged the chatlog. Lorelei very
graciously translated the voice chat into text, which was a true gift.
Bluewave Ogee made the presentation. She covered an awful lot of
information. Bluewave described some exciting projects that some of
the schools have started that are amazing for happening so quickly
after startup. I was particularly intrigued by the work from MD
Anderson.

The most important part to me was that this project has one year of
funding. For the project to persist, the various UTx campuses would
have to buy in and commit to ongoing funding. At least, that's my
understanding, I might have misunderstood. I see this really as a test
of SL for higher education. Right now, a lot of schools are watching
what happens with UT. I overheard a conversation in our University
administration building last week where a couple folk were talking
about what UT is doing, while rolling their eyes and laughing. That is
not the response I would hope for from academic administrators. Not
because of anything they did or said, but because I would hope that
using SL would be so OBVIOUSLY useful that there would be nothing to
laugh about. I see what is happening at UT as an opportunity for ALL
of us to show the potential for SL to succeed. I see success on the
part of UT as success for us all.

So my main thought after hearing the presentation is how do we, as the
education community in SL, assist UT in achieving their goals? How do
we help?

This applies generally as well. A group of us met to talk about using
SL for learning continuity in case of a pandemic. (I'm still working
on the minutes, people, my apologies for it taking so long.) The gist
of the conversation focused on how new teachers could bootstrap SL by
building on what other teachers have already done. People talk about
barriers to entry. How do we lower the barriers to entry for SL? A few
ideas were:
 - a list of teachers who would volunteer to allow new teachers
observe their SL classes;
 - a list of learning spaces that could be reserved for class use by
teachers who can't afford their own space;
 - office hours in SL by current teachers, allowing new teachers to
come ask and learn;
 - a couple consolidated locations for free teaching / learning
resources for new teachers, perhaps at NMC and ISTE.
The next question would be how to ensure that new teachers can EASILY
find these resources? We talked about SimTeach, wondering who founded
it, who's in charge, and how lively it is. Could it serve as a home
for some of this? Is there a way for Linden to build into the avatar
creation process an easy way for folks to be "gifted" upon arrival
with tools to support various common activities (with education
specifically highlighted). Could we get a selection of educational
freebies put in the Library?

Everything we can do to make education easier for new teachers will
ultimately increase our own effectiveness and success, and will
increase the credibility of SL for this purpose with our own
administrators.

 - Patricia / Perplexity

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:40 PM, S Collingwood <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Did anybody go to the talk last night about the U. Texas rollout of
> SL?  I missed it.  Any thoughts?
> --
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> http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/collingwood7/
>
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> Ohio State University
> 286 University Hall
> 230 North Oval Mall
> Columbus, Ohio 43210-1311
>
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Cider Moon

Re: displaying real names over your avatar

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At the risk of dragging a separate conversation ("A question about
promoting other platforms on SLED") into this one, OpenSim already
allows one to choose their own first & last name...

However, I worry about the "enforceability" of this - how do we know
the avatar with the name John Doe isn't actually controlled by Mary
Smith irl? And if John Doe wants his name, how much damage (or
undeserved credibility) has Mary potentially caused to John's
reputation?

I think SL's current solution is fine. But then I too am on the same
page as LadyJane and Rolig Loon. I never have my RL name anywhere
online. No way. Call me paranoid, but I like to fool myself into
thinking I can retain some control over my personal data. If I ever
put it *anywhere* online, it would then be out of my control forever.
But also I've got no problem with others who want to share their own
info online. It comes down to personal choice in the end.

The hovertext/titler sounds like the equivalent of lanyard name tags
at conventions - totally acceptable at the convention, but I can't
imagine anyone wanting to *always* wear it.

Cheers,
Cider
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The hovertext/titler sounds like the equivalent of lanyard name tags
at conventions - totally acceptable at the convention, but I can't
imagine anyone wanting to *always* wear it.


The other angle not being mentioned is .. visual clutter.
If you have 20 people standing around with hovertext over their heads, it's going to be a bit distracting.   It's a synergistic effect but in the wrong way - more names will get exponentially annoying :)

What would be cool is to simply have a transparent clickable sphere over your head.  Someone clicks on your face .. they see hovertext over your head for 15 seconds, and they get a URL to whatever web page you want to choose to represent you.

You know, like clicking on someone to get their contact info...  (a supplement to what people put on the 'web' tab of their profile)

Daniel
 

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I'll actually go farther than that, Cider.... Not only do I not want
anyone in SL to have access to MY identity in RL, I don't want to know
anyone else's either. It's a purely personal choice, of course, but as
far as I am concerned RL and SL are totally separate worlds.  One of
the truly nice aspects of SL's design is that I can make that choice
.... and anyone else can make the opposite one .... and we can both be
happy about it.

Rolig

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>
> I think SL's current solution is fine. But then I too am on the same
> page as LadyJane and Rolig Loon. I never have my RL name anywhere
> online. No way. Call me paranoid, but I like to fool myself into
> thinking I can retain some control over my personal data. If I ever
> put it *anywhere* online, it would then be out of my control forever.
> But also I've got no problem with others who want to share their own
> info online. It comes down to personal choice in the end.
>
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Re: displaying real names over your avatar

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> I'll actually go farther than that, Cider.... Not only do I not want
> anyone in SL to have access to MY identity in RL, I don't want to know
> anyone else's either. It's a purely personal choice, of course, but as
> far as I am concerned RL and SL are totally separate worlds.  One of
> the truly nice aspects of SL's design is that I can make that choice
> .... and anyone else can make the opposite one .... and we can both be
> happy about it.
>
> Rolig
>

I respect Rollie's views and her privacy, however I'm happy (so far) to
use my real name in my avatar name so my students will know
it's me behind the controls when my avatar encounters theirs.  I consider
all I do as manifestations of the same personality, although I admit
the possibility of multiple personalities in a single mind and  find
Minsky's Society of Mind compelling.
Dick S.
(Seabrook Oceanlane)

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On further reflection, I can see some definite pedagogical advantages
to the way SL forces students to choose a name that they may have
never originally associated with themselves. For example, Jack Jones*
may not be the most creative thinker in the class, but as his avatar
Ferdinand Mapplethorpe he may take the step that he needs to think
outside of the box a bit. It could be the catalyst that moves him come
up with an insightful solution to the problem that Jack Jones would
have been unlikely to. I'm sure there must be a name for this
phenomena, it's common enough in role-play situations.

Just another thought to add to the mix...
~Cider

*fictitious name, not based on anyone in real life
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In connection with the upcoming College Fair  (get your sites folks, they're going fast!) I have created a page on the SimTeach wiki for teachers to list courses that are held completely in Second Life.

We're obviously not going to get the under-18's at the fair, but we should see prospective transfer students and adult learners who are already reasonably well-versed in Second Life skills.  If we can keep this page updated, it should be a valuable resource, and the librarians are interested in linking to it.

College Fair info is here:

http://groups.google.com/group/second-life-college-fair/web/college-fair-2009

Simteach site is here:

http://www.simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=College_Fair





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