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Manuel Pareja

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Hi,

Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend overcrowded band's?
how do you avoid splatters from very close station?

73 de Manolo EA7LL
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Dave Hachadorian

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Preamp OFF, except on 10 and 15 meters.
Attenuator ON for 40, 80, 160 meters.
NB, NR OFF
High cut = 2.05

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


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> Hi,
>
> Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend
> overcrowded band's?
> how do you avoid splatters from very close station?
>
> 73 de Manolo EA7LL
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Andy Faber

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Dave's suggestions are good ones, but having used a K3 for over 6,000 Qs in
ARRL Phone from P49Y, I can say that they only go so far.  You will still
get splatter from close stations.  The K3 is excellent at not creating
digital artifacts due to nearby signals, but unfortunately a lot of the
splatter you hear from nearby stations in a phone contest really is in your
radio passband, and can't be eliminated by any setting of the controls on a
K3 or any other radio.
 Note, it's also possible to run the DSP at a width as narrow a 1.6 kHz or
so in extreme circumstances. Also consider backing off the RF gain at times.
  GL and 73, Andy, AE6Y.
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> Preamp OFF, except on 10 and 15 meters.
> Attenuator ON for 40, 80, 160 meters.
> NB, NR OFF
> High cut = 2.05
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Manuel Pareja" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:48 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] contest
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend
>> overcrowded band's?
>> how do you avoid splatters from very close station?
>>
>> 73 de Manolo EA7LL
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David Gilbert

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Everyone's ears are different, but I used a DSP passband of 1.1 KHz for
most of the 2,200 QSOs I made in the 2009 CQ WPX SSB contest (roofing
filter was 8-pole 1.5 KHz).  I don't remember how far I had to shift the
center frequency, but I think it was down to about 0.85 or 0.90 KHz.  It
definitely helped, but if the splatter is inside your passband (and
unfortunately much of it is) nothing will make a significant difference
other than maybe taking the time to tell the guy above or below you that
he has a dirty signal (which I did twice) and hope that he backs off the
gain or compression (which happened once).

73,
Dave   AB7E




Andrew Faber wrote:

> Dave's suggestions are good ones, but having used a K3 for over 6,000 Qs in
> ARRL Phone from P49Y, I can say that they only go so far.  You will still
> get splatter from close stations.  The K3 is excellent at not creating
> digital artifacts due to nearby signals, but unfortunately a lot of the
> splatter you hear from nearby stations in a phone contest really is in your
> radio passband, and can't be eliminated by any setting of the controls on a
> K3 or any other radio.
>  Note, it's also possible to run the DSP at a width as narrow a 1.6 kHz or
> so in extreme circumstances. Also consider backing off the RF gain at times.
>   GL and 73, Andy, AE6Y.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Hachadorian" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>; "Manuel Pareja"
> <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] contest
>
>
>  
>> Preamp OFF, except on 10 and 15 meters.
>> Attenuator ON for 40, 80, 160 meters.
>> NB, NR OFF
>> High cut = 2.05
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Manuel Pareja" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:48 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] contest
>>
>>
>>    
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Any advise about operating skills for the next weekend
>>> overcrowded band's?
>>> how do you avoid splatters from very close station?
>>>
>>> 73 de Manolo EA7LL
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Ron D'Eau Claire

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I think the common definition of splatter has changed over the years. In the
past, "splatter" meant RF transmitted well outside the intended bandwidth.
In the case of a typical Amateur SSB signal, that would be something beyond
the 3 kHz bandwidth such signals normally occupy. It is usually caused by a
non-linear amplifier in the transmitter - often an external amplifier when
the operator over-drives it in an attempt to get a little more output.

That is solely a fault of the transmitting station and there's not much you
can do about it at the receiver although the strength of the noise will
diminish as you tune far away.

What often seems to be called splatter today is someone simply trying to
operate too close in frequency to another station so his receive bandwidth
overlaps the bandwidth already being used by the other station. That, too,
can cause splatter-like sounds in the receiver, but it's not the
transmitter's fault. It's the problem of the receiver's operator. You have
to move farther away from the other station's frequency to stop the
interference and to avoid interfering with him. It's easy to check, just
tune in the other station and check his frequency. You should not hear any
interference beyond 3 kHz on the direction of his sideband (that is, tuning
lower in frequency on the 7 MHz band and below or tuning higher in frequency
on the 14 MHz band and above).

And that's why we carefully follow that common standard for which sideband
to use on various bands. It's quite legal to use either sideband on any band
(at least in the USA), but if people randomly choose sidebands we'd need to
allow at least 6 or 7 kHz between stations to ensure no interference, just
as we do for double sideband A.M. If everyone uses the same sideband, a
separation of 3 or 4 kHz is usually enough (depending upon the quality of
the filters in the receiver).

Ron AC7AC

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