about OSGeo geodata catalog

[Jorge Sanz]

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Hi

I'm Jorge from OSGeo Spanish Language Local Chapter and gvSIG project.

As probably you know, gvSIG is a nice SDI client supporting WxS
services, gazetteer and metadata. One of the aims of the project is to
support and promote SDI's and free geodata access and it's pretty
interesting to know that one of the most successful sections of the
official web page is the one related with free geodata[1].

On the other hand, at OSGeo-es last meeting in Girona we talked about
starting a group to catalog free geodata resources (specially WMS
servers) and some people started a geodata group[2][3].

The day after this meeting I attended a Geonetwork workshop with Jeroen
Ticheler as instructor (anyone knows someone better?) and we talk
briefly about having an OSGeo metadata catalog available for promoting
these free geodata resources.

My question to this committee is if an OSGeo catalog exists but no one
is promoting it, or if it doesn't, do you think having and OSGeo
metadata catalog for free geodata could be interesting? If you think so,
 I would enforce my colleagues to move efforts to work on the catalog as
a main reference for anyone asking for geodata.

Well, at gvSIG we think this is an interesting initiative but we don't
want to duplicate efforts, if OSGeo doesn't publish a catalog, gvSIG
will try it, but before starting such work, we should ask the OSGeo
fellows :-)

Best regards

[1] http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=enlaces-interes&L=2&K=1
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geodatos_en_OSGeo-es (in Spanish)
[3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geodatos_publicados (in Spanish)

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[Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)]

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If I recall correctly, the geodata committee had a geonetwork  
instance running and needed someone to take on this task of  
populating it.  I could be wrong.  I haven't been involved, but I'd  
love to see this move forward too.

Tyler

On 14-Jun-09, at 11:31 PM, Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote:

> Well, at gvSIG we think this is an interesting initiative but we don't
> want to duplicate efforts, if OSGeo doesn't publish a catalog, gvSIG
> will try it, but before starting such work, we should ask the OSGeo
> fellows :-)


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[David William Bitner-2]

Jorge,

There have been several false starts at getting a catalog going for the OSGeo GeoData Committee.  The biggest hindrance has been that there has been nobody in the group who truly had a need for this catalog that could really push them to get it going and to populate it and maintain it.

I think that just about everyone agrees that it would be interesting and "a good thing" to have an OSGeo catalog -- the only council I would like to give is to make sure that there are enough volunteers who really have a committment to get things to happen.  The last push for setting up GeoNetwork was being led by Lorenzo Becchi (who I believe is part of OSGeo-ex) and Jeroen.  They both, I believe, have access to the Telascience servers and hopefully could be coerced into helping orient those willing to put the effort in.  We can work with the OSGeo SAC and the folks at Telascience on identifying an area on the servers and getting the correct permissions set up.

I look forward to hearing more of your plans!  Please let us know whatever we can do to help you out.

David (GeoData Chair)

2009/6/15 Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas <[hidden email]>

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Hi

I'm Jorge from OSGeo Spanish Language Local Chapter and gvSIG project.

As probably you know, gvSIG is a nice SDI client supporting WxS
services, gazetteer and metadata. One of the aims of the project is to
support and promote SDI's and free geodata access and it's pretty
interesting to know that one of the most successful sections of the
official web page is the one related with free geodata[1].

On the other hand, at OSGeo-es last meeting in Girona we talked about
starting a group to catalog free geodata resources (specially WMS
servers) and some people started a geodata group[2][3].

The day after this meeting I attended a Geonetwork workshop with Jeroen
Ticheler as instructor (anyone knows someone better?) and we talk
briefly about having an OSGeo metadata catalog available for promoting
these free geodata resources.

My question to this committee is if an OSGeo catalog exists but no one
is promoting it, or if it doesn't, do you think having and OSGeo
metadata catalog for free geodata could be interesting? If you think so,
 I would enforce my colleagues to move efforts to work on the catalog as
a main reference for anyone asking for geodata.

Well, at gvSIG we think this is an interesting initiative but we don't
want to duplicate efforts, if OSGeo doesn't publish a catalog, gvSIG
will try it, but before starting such work, we should ask the OSGeo
fellows :-)

Best regards

[1] http://www.gvsig.gva.es/index.php?id=enlaces-interes&L=2&K=1
[2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geodatos_en_OSGeo-es (in Spanish)
[3] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geodatos_publicados (in Spanish)

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David William Bitner escribió:
> Jorge,
>
> There have been several false starts at getting a catalog going for the
> OSGeo GeoData Committee.  The biggest hindrance has been that there has
> been nobody in the group who truly had a need for this catalog that
> could really push them to get it going and to populate it and maintain it.
>

Well having it configured and available is the first step for us. Let
see what happens.

- From gvSIG perspective, this catalog will be our first place to offer
for our CSW client, and any new geo-resource we detect could be recorded
here.

At OSGeo-ES we've been waiting for this tool because of course is better
to use well known SDI-focused tools than directly the wiki, no matter
what ed parsons say[1] :D

> I think that just about everyone agrees that it would be interesting and
> "a good thing" to have an OSGeo catalog -- the only council I would like
> to give is to make sure that there are enough volunteers who really have
> a committment to get things to happen.  The last push for setting up
> GeoNetwork was being led by Lorenzo Becchi (who I believe is part of
> OSGeo-ex) and Jeroen.  They both, I believe, have access to the
> Telascience servers and hopefully could be coerced into helping orient
> those willing to put the effort in.  We can work with the OSGeo SAC and
> the folks at Telascience on identifying an area on the servers and
> getting the correct permissions set up.

Well Lorenzo at this time is pretty busy but I'm sure he will promote it
in all events he attends :-)

>
> I look forward to hearing more of your plans!  Please let us know
> whatever we can do to help you out.
>

Having your support it's what I firstly asked for.

Well, now I suppose we need help to find the geonetwork instance (it's
funny that I can't find a "finding tool") and define a channel to ask
for account on the geonetwork instance (trac tickets at SAC?).

Cheers
[1] http://twitter.com/edparsons/status/2176645511
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[David William Bitner]

The GeoNetwork instance was set up by Lorenzo and Jeroen I am not sure what state it is in at the moment.  I believe that at some point it was set up but empty -- these two will need to comment on the current state of it.  It may or may not be "configured and available".

Well, now I suppose we need help to find the geonetwork instance (it's
funny that I can't find a "finding tool") and define a channel to ask
for account on the geonetwork instance (trac tickets at SAC?).

I would hold off on filing anything with the SAC until we can hear from Lorenzo or Jeroen with a bit more detail about what condition things are in right now.

David

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[Bob Basques]

Some javascript/style in this post has been disabled (why?)

All,

Is the end intent to search for "raw" OGC data feeds, like WMS/WFS or to search for and catalog other GeoNetwork resources or both?

We've been looking at these type of organizational tasks for a while now, but one of the big hangups on this end, is how to handle data that does not originate in our office.   Who should handle the upkeep of those datasets?  We're about 2/3 outside datasets with about 1/3 of our data stores originating internally.

It's also unclear to me how to best approach the organization of the data, especially when worrying about regional vs national or international users.  Our office is primarily focused on regional activities (at most) and more specifically our little City.

It seems like a community driven approach is the most desirable, but the buy-in by the data owners, at least initially is somewhat dubious.  The typical user being able to trusting the published links and being able to contact the publishers directly are a couple of the most important aspects for us, and these two aspects require a significant level of buy-in by the data publishers to be effective.

Granted I'm viewing this from a bottom up perspective, but I'm also biased and think that the bottom level data is the best available as well  :c)  There are possible options with classification of data as well, as in Local, Regional, National, international, etc.  This is a lot of work to jump into.  Is it going to be possible to have a good framework where by each dataset owner/publisher will feel comfortable with the effort required to publish?  

Just some thoughts on the subject as I've been reading through the posts . . .

bobb

bobb

>>> Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas <[hidden email]> wrote:

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David William Bitner escribió:
> Jorge,
>
> There have been several false starts at getting a catalog going for the
> OSGeo GeoData Committee.  The biggest hindrance has been that there has
> been nobody in the group who truly had a need for this catalog that
> could really push them to get it going and to populate it and maintain it.
>

Well having it configured and available is the first step for us. Let
see what happens.

- From gvSIG perspective, this catalog will be our first place to offer
for our CSW client, and any new geo-resource we detect could be recorded
here.

At OSGeo-ES we've been waiting for this tool because of course is better
to use well known SDI-focused tools than directly the wiki, no matter
what ed parsons say[1] :D

> I think that just about everyone agrees that it would be interesting and
> "a good thing" to have an OSGeo catalog -- the only council I would like
> to give is to make sure that there are enough volunteers who really have
> a committment to get things to happen.  The last push for setting up
> GeoNetwork was being led by Lorenzo Becchi (who I believe is part of
> OSGeo-ex) and Jeroen.  They both, I believe, have access to the
> Telascience servers and hopefully could be coerced into helping orient
> those willing to put the effort in.  We can work with the OSGeo SAC and
> the folks at Telascience on identifying an area on the servers and
> getting the correct permissions set up.

Well Lorenzo at this time is pretty busy but I'm sure he will promote it
in all events he attends :-)

>
> I look forward to hearing more of your plans!  Please let us know
> whatever we can do to help you out.
>

Having your support it's what I firstly asked for.

Well, now I suppose we need help to find the geonetwork instance (it's
funny that I can't find a "finding tool") and define a channel to ask
for account on the geonetwork instance (trac tickets at SAC?).

Cheers
[1] http://twitter.com/edparsons/status/2176645511
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[Lorenzo Becchi - nabble]

hmm,
David me and Jeroen, together, never did that install.
I was expecting a CSW interface and Geonetwork at that time has not that
interface.
Jeroen told me to wait for the next version. At the time the next
version came out I was on another project and had no more time to
install and configure and check Geonetwork.

lorenzo

David William Bitner wrote:

> The GeoNetwork instance was set up by Lorenzo and Jeroen I am not sure
> what state it is in at the moment.  I believe that at some point it
> was set up but empty -- these two will need to comment on the current
> state of it.  It may or may not be "configured and available".
>
>
>
>     Well, now I suppose we need help to find the geonetwork instance (it's
>     funny that I can't find a "finding tool") and define a channel to ask
>     for account on the geonetwork instance (trac tickets at SAC?).
>
>
> I would hold off on filing anything with the SAC until we can hear
> from Lorenzo or Jeroen with a bit more detail about what condition
> things are in right now.
>
> David
>

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[Lorenzo Becchi - nabble]

hmm,David
me and Jeroen, together, never did that install.
I was expecting a CSW interface and Geonetwork at that time has not that
interface.
Jeroen told me to wait for the next version. At the time the next
version came out I was on another project and had no more time to
install and configure and check Geonetwork.

lorenzo

David William Bitner wrote:

> The GeoNetwork instance was set up by Lorenzo and Jeroen I am not sure
> what state it is in at the moment.  I believe that at some point it
> was set up but empty -- these two will need to comment on the current
> state of it.  It may or may not be "configured and available".
>
>
>
>     Well, now I suppose we need help to find the geonetwork instance (it's
>     funny that I can't find a "finding tool") and define a channel to ask
>     for account on the geonetwork instance (trac tickets at SAC?).
>
>
> I would hold off on filing anything with the SAC until we can hear
> from Lorenzo or Jeroen with a bit more detail about what condition
> things are in right now.
>
> David
>

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[Jeroen Ticheler - GeoCat]

Hi all,
Sorry for not responding earlier. I did an installation quite a long  
time ago in collaboration with Johnny Graham. We just released our  
last Release Candidate for Geonetwork v2.4.0 . I would suggest that we  
use that catalog if we install it again, it has many CSW ISO 2.0.2  
improvements. Fact is that I will be away for some weeks now,  
traveling for work and for holidays.
Ciao,
Jeroen

On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Lorenzo Becchi wrote:

> hmm,
> David me and Jeroen, together, never did that install.
> I was expecting a CSW interface and Geonetwork at that time has not  
> that interface.
> Jeroen told me to wait for the next version. At the time the next  
> version came out I was on another project and had no more time to  
> install and configure and check Geonetwork.
>
> lorenzo
>
> David William Bitner wrote:
>> The GeoNetwork instance was set up by Lorenzo and Jeroen I am not  
>> sure what state it is in at the moment.  I believe that at some  
>> point it was set up but empty -- these two will need to comment on  
>> the current state of it.  It may or may not be "configured and  
>> available".
>>
>>
>>
>>    Well, now I suppose we need help to find the geonetwork instance  
>> (it's
>>    funny that I can't find a "finding tool") and define a channel  
>> to ask
>>    for account on the geonetwork instance (trac tickets at SAC?).
>>
>>
>> I would hold off on filing anything with the SAC until we can hear  
>> from Lorenzo or Jeroen with a bit more detail about what condition  
>> things are in right now.
>>
>> David
>>
>

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[Jorge Sanz (OSGeo)]

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Jeroen Ticheler escribió:
> Hi all,
> Sorry for not responding earlier. I did an installation quite a long
> time ago in collaboration with Johnny Graham. We just released our last
> Release Candidate for Geonetwork v2.4.0 . I would suggest that we use
> that catalog if we install it again, it has many CSW ISO 2.0.2
> improvements. Fact is that I will be away for some weeks now, traveling
> for work and for holidays.
> Ciao,
> Jeroen

Hi,

I second installing a fresh new 2.4.0 instance, and looking that this
committee agrees the proposal, I would know pass it to the SAC to see
where and how install the catalog. I have no idea about the internals of
the OSGeo facilities and software installation procedures.

I don't know if we need you (Jeroen) to have the catalog installed but I
don't have any problem to wait after the summer...if we don't forget
it!! :-)

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[Martin Spott]

May I assist anyone installing at such a beast on 'hypersphere' - or,
would anyone assist me at installing it ?

Cheers,
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[David William Bitner-2]

Jorge,

Martin knows the "lay of the land" if he is willing to help you out on the Telascience machines.  If you have any folks willing to spend some time helping get things going, I would encourage you to have them work with Martin.  Perhaps it would be worthwhile to have an IRC meeting sometime soon to go over things. Again, I would ask that you make sure that there are enough folks willing to spend some time on this that it does not just become another false start.  This will not go anywhere unless there is enough momentum and folks willing to spend the time to build *and* maintain it.

Please make sure to touch base with the OSGeo SAC and plan to update this group as the catalog progresses.

David

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Martin Spott <[hidden email]> wrote:

May I assist anyone installing at such a beast on 'hypersphere' - or,
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David William Bitner escribió:

> Jorge,
>
> Martin knows the "lay of the land" if he is willing to help you out on
> the Telascience machines.  If you have any folks willing to spend some
> time helping get things going, I would encourage you to have them work
> with Martin.  Perhaps it would be worthwhile to have an IRC meeting
> sometime soon to go over things. Again, I would ask that you make sure
> that there are enough folks willing to spend some time on this that it
> does not just become another false start.  This will not go anywhere
> unless there is enough momentum and folks willing to spend the time to
> build *and* maintain it.

David, Martin, thanks for your notes and support

About the "not just become another false start". I'm optimistic about
this one because having a catalog to reference data has been a long term
willing for the OSGeo-ES people, and there are active members doing
wiki-style catalogs for some time.

On the other hand, gvSIG would be a nice launcher for the catalog as
this could be the default one on its client. Take account that one of
the most successful sections of the gvSIG web page is the "free geodata"
section.

Summer (on the Northern Hemisphere, I know) could not be the best moment
to try to coordinate the configuration of the catalog but I'll be
available more or less all this month and the second half of August so
we can try to start with an IRC meeting.

On the meanwhile, I'll start dealing with the 2.4 release of Geonetwork
to see what's up.

Cheers.
Jorge

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[Martin Spott]

Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote:

> Summer (on the Northern Hemisphere, I know) could not be the best moment
> to try to coordinate the configuration of the catalog but I'll be
> available more or less all this month and the second half of August
> [...]

Same here.

> On the meanwhile, I'll start dealing with the 2.4 release of Geonetwork
> to see what's up.

Installing and running a default setup of Geonetwork seems to be pretty
simple. I'm a bit curious about the steps required to deviate from the
default install by a) runing Geonetwork under Tomcat and b) using a
different DB backend (PostgreSQL on a different machine).

So far I've been unable to find instructions on how to get there ....
still reading The Manual.

Cheers,
        Martin.
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[Martin Spott]

Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote:

> On the meanwhile, I'll start dealing with the 2.4 release of Geonetwork
> to see what's up.

Just to let you know that this has not died in silence:
John Graham and I have recently been trying to get a 2.4 release setup
running on one of the machines at Telascience. The bare Geonetwork
instance itself seems to be working nicely under Tomcat, but we're
facing trouble getting the included Geoserver to work. Now we're
hopefully awaiting feedback from Jeroen.

Cheers,
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[Jeroen Ticheler - GeoCat]

Hi Martin,
Sorry, I am on holidays so no fast answers from my side. For the  
GeoServer part, is it related to a change of the default ports  
GeoNetwork and GeoServer run under? In that case also check the file  
Mapservers.xml under intermap/WEB-INF/ where it lists two services  
running on localhost port 8080.
Cheers,
Jeroen

On Jul 25, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Martin Spott wrote:

> Jorge Gaspar Sanz Salinas wrote:
>
>> On the meanwhile, I'll start dealing with the 2.4 release of  
>> Geonetwork
>> to see what's up.
>
> Just to let you know that this has not died in silence:
> John Graham and I have recently been trying to get a 2.4 release setup
> running on one of the machines at Telascience. The bare Geonetwork
> instance itself seems to be working nicely under Tomcat, but we're
> facing trouble getting the included Geoserver to work. Now we're
> hopefully awaiting feedback from Jeroen.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin.
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