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Dear Marketing Folks,

Your budget includes $20000 for:

"""
Following from Phase 2 above, redesign concepts for the website will be
implemented. Including refocus of target groups and content, as well as look
and feel
"""

As a contributor to the website I'm concerned about how this is going to work.
How do you intend to turn a consultants design into something that is
merged into what exists, and the ideas that existing contributors have about
how things should work?

I'm concerned that we will end up either:

1) Giving the consultant free reign and the web site is radically altered
resulting in the loss of some existing valuable elements, and more importantly
the alienation of existing contributors who will presumably be left holding
the bag after the consultant is gone again.

- or -

2) Negotiation and reaching consensus with the existing web site contributors
(as well as dealing with the limitations of Drupal) will result in relatively
little being accomplished out of the consultants recommendations resulting in
most of the money/effort being wasted.

--

My suggestion to moderate the likely problems are to take into account the
following issues when selecting a consultant and giving them terms of
reference.

a) Drupal is our portal software and it is unlikely to be changed for the
convenience of the consultant.  We have limited expertise to do exotic things
with it so it is best try and limit proposals to what can be accomplished
with it in a practical fashion.  It would presumably be prudent to have Tyler
and Wolf involved in setting practical parameters.

b) The consultant should be encouraged to prepare material (content), and
appropriate sidebar (and center pane) entry points to serve the discussed
target groups.

c) I think there is substantial room to alter and restructure the
"About the Foundation" and "FAQ" materials.  The results would have to
be vetted of course, but these sections are clearly "on the table"
for improvement.

d) The consultant should not spend too much time dreaming up radical
simplifications that toss things we have already decided to be important
into some seldom seen subpage.

I hope you all understand that there are potentially negative dynamics
that could come into play dropping a short term highly (by volunteer
standards) paid consultant into an existing volunteer driven system and
giving them godlike powers to alter, with no long term responsibility
to maintain.

Needless to say, I'm speaking for myself, not the website committee as
a whole.

Best regards,
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Jason Birch

RE: [Marketing] Website Redesign

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I disagree :)

It's not about content or graphic design, it's about user experience and
findability.  A redesign has to be primarily about ensuring that the
site functions as well as possible.   You can have all of the content in
the world, or the prettiest site in the world, but they are both useless
if users can't immediately access the information they need.  The most
important part of a site design is knowing who your users are, what they
are looking for, and figuring out how to get them to it faster.

Any redesign needs to start from a document like this (unfinished?):
  http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/WebCom_OSGeo_Site_Focus
and be informed by accurate and intensive analysis of the web site's
current traffic patterns.  I don't think that we have the latter, and
would recommend something like Google Analytics for proper analysis.
The open source traffic analysis tools do not offer nearly the insight
that can be gained through Analytics, especially with its new custom
reports and segmentation features.

A redesign should also keep in mind search engine optimisation, because
most users will use their favourite search engine to find what they're
looking for rather than go to our main page.  Some of our content could
certainly do with some reorganisation, and there are some topics that we
need to write new content for.  For instance, searching for "OSGeo
Software" or "OSGeo Projects" or "OSGeo Source Code" do not come up with
useful results in Google.  Topics that have individual treatment come up
with good results (such as "OSGeo Sponsor").

We also need to look at adding a search engine to the site.  Users that
give up trying to find information via random search terms (and don't
know about the site: modifier) come to our site and are then stuck
trying to navigate to what they want.  We provide far too many options
on our main page, and don't address user/role segmentation at all, so
finding what they want will be a frustrating experience.  If Drupal's
search sucks, then set up a Google Custom Search Engine.  As a
non-profit, we can get one for free that doesn't run ads.  I know that
some people want to use open source tools for everything, but we need to
pick our battles and use our limited resources in the most effective way
possible to accomplish _our_ mission.

And yes, finally, we may need a bit of a layout redesign.  My preference
would be to drop the left and right menus from the main page, and
simplify the user experience.  I think that the Mozilla Foundation is a
good example of this:  http://www.mozilla.org/  Apache has gone part of
the way with the "quick-button" links at the top of the page, but I
think they could easily drop the second column on the right:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/

Notice that I didn't talk about colours, logo positioning, etc at all.
It's about functionality.  All of this is well within Drupal's
out-of-the-box capabilities.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 08:17
To: Frank Warmerdam
Cc: OSGeo Marketing; Web committee discussions
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Website Redesign

IMO: it's about content, not look-and-feel. If you let look-and-feel
into the paddock, a lot of time will be spent juggling colors and
visual elements, and not enough juggling topics and words.  Break the
project into two.  Do content first, *then* address putting lipstick
on the pig.

P.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Frank Warmerdam <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> Dear Marketing Folks,
>
> Your budget includes $20000 for:
>
> """
> Following from Phase 2 above, redesign concepts for the website will
be
> implemented. Including refocus of target groups and content, as well
as look
> and feel
> """
>
> As a contributor to the website I'm concerned about how this is going
to
> work.
> How do you intend to turn a consultants design into something that is
> merged into what exists, and the ideas that existing contributors have
about
> how things should work?
>
> I'm concerned that we will end up either:
>
> 1) Giving the consultant free reign and the web site is radically
altered
> resulting in the loss of some existing valuable elements, and more
> importantly
> the alienation of existing contributors who will presumably be left
holding
> the bag after the consultant is gone again.
>
> - or -
>
> 2) Negotiation and reaching consensus with the existing web site
> contributors
> (as well as dealing with the limitations of Drupal) will result in
> relatively
> little being accomplished out of the consultants recommendations
resulting
> in
> most of the money/effort being wasted.
>
> --
>
> My suggestion to moderate the likely problems are to take into account
the
> following issues when selecting a consultant and giving them terms of
> reference.
>
> a) Drupal is our portal software and it is unlikely to be changed for
the
> convenience of the consultant.  We have limited expertise to do exotic
> things
> with it so it is best try and limit proposals to what can be
accomplished
> with it in a practical fashion.  It would presumably be prudent to
have
> Tyler
> and Wolf involved in setting practical parameters.
>
> b) The consultant should be encouraged to prepare material (content),
and
> appropriate sidebar (and center pane) entry points to serve the
discussed
> target groups.
>
> c) I think there is substantial room to alter and restructure the
> "About the Foundation" and "FAQ" materials.  The results would have to
> be vetted of course, but these sections are clearly "on the table"
> for improvement.
>
> d) The consultant should not spend too much time dreaming up radical
> simplifications that toss things we have already decided to be
important
> into some seldom seen subpage.
>
> I hope you all understand that there are potentially negative dynamics
> that could come into play dropping a short term highly (by volunteer
> standards) paid consultant into an existing volunteer driven system
and
> giving them godlike powers to alter, with no long term responsibility
> to maintain.
>
> Needless to say, I'm speaking for myself, not the website committee as
> a whole.
>
> Best regards,
> --
>
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------
> I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam,
> [hidden email]
> light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
> and watch the world go round - Rush    | Geospatial Programmer for
Rent
>
> _______________________________________________
> Marketing mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
>
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Frank Warmerdam

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Jason Birch wrote:
> I disagree :)
>
> It's not about content or graphic design, it's about user experience and
> findability.  A redesign has to be primarily about ensuring that the
> site functions as well as possible.

Jason,

I believe we also lack a lot of content to serve the needs expressed in
the site focus document.  ie. case studies, white papers providing overall
guidance.

I'm generally supportive of your ideas on findability, search optimization
and so forth, though SEO seems like voodoo to me.

> And yes, finally, we may need a bit of a layout redesign.  My preference
> would be to drop the left and right menus from the main page, and
> simplify the user experience.  I think that the Mozilla Foundation is a
> good example of this:  http://www.mozilla.org/  Apache has gone part of
> the way with the "quick-button" links at the top of the page, but I
> think they could easily drop the second column on the right:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/

I honestly can't see this (dropping lots of stuff from the main page) making
that much difference, but I suppose that's why I'm not a user experience guy.

Best regards,
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light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush    | Geospatial Programmer for Rent

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Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> I believe we also lack a lot of content to serve the needs expressed
> in the site focus document.  ie. case studies, white papers providing
> overall guidance.

Yes, understood.

> I'm generally supportive of your ideas on findability, search
> optimization and so forth, though SEO seems like voodoo to me.

We're in an enviable position.  As an authority site (lots and lots of
places link to us) we basically just need to create good content with
descriptive titles and headings, and our pages will do well.  There are
a lot of things that we could do better on the current site (better
titles, descriptions so that our SERPs are more attractive, targeting
terms like "open geospatial", etc) but in general we've got good
positioning.

> I honestly can't see this (dropping lots of stuff from the main page)
> making that much difference, but I suppose that's why I'm not a user
> experience guy.

Me neither, not really, but I think that giving new users that end up on
the main page a clear path is important.

Jason
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Cameron Shorter

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+1
Jason, I think you are right on track, and I'm really impressed with the
webcom Site Focus page linked below. (First time I've read it). It
provides the use cases required to design targeted web pages.

Jason Birch wrote:

> I disagree :)
>
> It's not about content or graphic design, it's about user experience and
> findability.  A redesign has to be primarily about ensuring that the
> site functions as well as possible.   You can have all of the content in
> the world, or the prettiest site in the world, but they are both useless
> if users can't immediately access the information they need.  The most
> important part of a site design is knowing who your users are, what they
> are looking for, and figuring out how to get them to it faster.
>
> Any redesign needs to start from a document like this (unfinished?):
>   http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/WebCom_OSGeo_Site_Focus
> and be informed by accurate and intensive analysis of the web site's
> current traffic patterns.  I don't think that we have the latter, and
> would recommend something like Google Analytics for proper analysis.
> The open source traffic analysis tools do not offer nearly the insight
> that can be gained through Analytics, especially with its new custom
> reports and segmentation features.
>
> A redesign should also keep in mind search engine optimisation, because
> most users will use their favourite search engine to find what they're
> looking for rather than go to our main page.  Some of our content could
> certainly do with some reorganisation, and there are some topics that we
> need to write new content for.  For instance, searching for "OSGeo
> Software" or "OSGeo Projects" or "OSGeo Source Code" do not come up with
> useful results in Google.  Topics that have individual treatment come up
> with good results (such as "OSGeo Sponsor").
>
> We also need to look at adding a search engine to the site.  Users that
> give up trying to find information via random search terms (and don't
> know about the site: modifier) come to our site and are then stuck
> trying to navigate to what they want.  We provide far too many options
> on our main page, and don't address user/role segmentation at all, so
> finding what they want will be a frustrating experience.  If Drupal's
> search sucks, then set up a Google Custom Search Engine.  As a
> non-profit, we can get one for free that doesn't run ads.  I know that
> some people want to use open source tools for everything, but we need to
> pick our battles and use our limited resources in the most effective way
> possible to accomplish _our_ mission.
>
> And yes, finally, we may need a bit of a layout redesign.  My preference
> would be to drop the left and right menus from the main page, and
> simplify the user experience.  I think that the Mozilla Foundation is a
> good example of this:  http://www.mozilla.org/  Apache has gone part of
> the way with the "quick-button" links at the top of the page, but I
> think they could easily drop the second column on the right:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/
>
> Notice that I didn't talk about colours, logo positioning, etc at all.
> It's about functionality.  All of this is well within Drupal's
> out-of-the-box capabilities.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Paul Ramsey
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 08:17
> To: Frank Warmerdam
> Cc: OSGeo Marketing; Web committee discussions
> Subject: Re: [Marketing] Website Redesign
>
> IMO: it's about content, not look-and-feel. If you let look-and-feel
> into the paddock, a lot of time will be spent juggling colors and
> visual elements, and not enough juggling topics and words.  Break the
> project into two.  Do content first, *then* address putting lipstick
> on the pig.
>
> P.
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Frank Warmerdam <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>  
>> Dear Marketing Folks,
>>
>> Your budget includes $20000 for:
>>
>> """
>> Following from Phase 2 above, redesign concepts for the website will
>>    
> be
>  
>> implemented. Including refocus of target groups and content, as well
>>    
> as look
>  
>> and feel
>> """
>>
>> As a contributor to the website I'm concerned about how this is going
>>    
> to
>  
>> work.
>> How do you intend to turn a consultants design into something that is
>> merged into what exists, and the ideas that existing contributors have
>>    
> about
>  
>> how things should work?
>>
>> I'm concerned that we will end up either:
>>
>> 1) Giving the consultant free reign and the web site is radically
>>    
> altered
>  
>> resulting in the loss of some existing valuable elements, and more
>> importantly
>> the alienation of existing contributors who will presumably be left
>>    
> holding
>  
>> the bag after the consultant is gone again.
>>
>> - or -
>>
>> 2) Negotiation and reaching consensus with the existing web site
>> contributors
>> (as well as dealing with the limitations of Drupal) will result in
>> relatively
>> little being accomplished out of the consultants recommendations
>>    
> resulting
>  
>> in
>> most of the money/effort being wasted.
>>
>> --
>>
>> My suggestion to moderate the likely problems are to take into account
>>    
> the
>  
>> following issues when selecting a consultant and giving them terms of
>> reference.
>>
>> a) Drupal is our portal software and it is unlikely to be changed for
>>    
> the
>  
>> convenience of the consultant.  We have limited expertise to do exotic
>> things
>> with it so it is best try and limit proposals to what can be
>>    
> accomplished
>  
>> with it in a practical fashion.  It would presumably be prudent to
>>    
> have
>  
>> Tyler
>> and Wolf involved in setting practical parameters.
>>
>> b) The consultant should be encouraged to prepare material (content),
>>    
> and
>  
>> appropriate sidebar (and center pane) entry points to serve the
>>    
> discussed
>  
>> target groups.
>>
>> c) I think there is substantial room to alter and restructure the
>> "About the Foundation" and "FAQ" materials.  The results would have to
>> be vetted of course, but these sections are clearly "on the table"
>> for improvement.
>>
>> d) The consultant should not spend too much time dreaming up radical
>> simplifications that toss things we have already decided to be
>>    
> important
>  
>> into some seldom seen subpage.
>>
>> I hope you all understand that there are potentially negative dynamics
>> that could come into play dropping a short term highly (by volunteer
>> standards) paid consultant into an existing volunteer driven system
>>    
> and
>  
>> giving them godlike powers to alter, with no long term responsibility
>> to maintain.
>>
>> Needless to say, I'm speaking for myself, not the website committee as
>> a whole.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> --
>>
>>    
> ---------------------------------------+--------------------------------
> ------
>  
>> I set the clouds in motion - turn up   | Frank Warmerdam,
>> [hidden email]
>> light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
>> and watch the world go round - Rush    | Geospatial Programmer for
>>    
> Rent
>  
>> _______________________________________________
>> Marketing mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
>>
>>    
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> _______________________________________________
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>  


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A LOT of that was Jody, so it's good to hear that he has renewed
interest in the Marketing committee.

It's out of date, but there is still value there.

Jason

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Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:40
Subject: Re: [Marketing] Website Redesign

+1
Jason, I think you are right on track, and I'm really impressed with the

webcom Site Focus page linked below. (First time I've read it). It
provides the use cases required to design targeted web pages.
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>
> a) Drupal is our portal software and it is unlikely to be changed for the
> convenience of the consultant.  We have limited expertise to do exotic
> things
> with it so it is best try and limit proposals to what can be accomplished
> with it in a practical fashion.  It would presumably be prudent to have
> Tyler
> and Wolf involved in setting practical parameters.

The Drupal templating system is very flexible and should bend in almost
any direction. As long as the new design is made with xhtml and css
Drupal should be able to accommodate.

--Wolf

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I feel absolutely stupid because I've lost this conversation just to be
filtered by my mail client to the marketing folder...
it will not be the last time I'll feel stupid. :-)

If I can say my opinion, I don't see the need for a re-factory of the
web site.
If you look at the web site of Apache foundation, as ex, they have a
very simple site: a brief mission definition, news, section, links to
all resources.
same as ours.

I don't even see a problem to use google.com to access internal pages. I
use google.com for most of sites where I don't want to learn yet another
fancy structure for a site that has a lot of contents. having a lot of
contacts is a problem in any case.
I would not like to see the google search inside the site instead.
Not even google analytics. Been a web master for long time has taught me
to avoid scripts that are not fundamental on popular sites.

my 2 cents
Lorenzo


Jason Birch wrote:

> A LOT of that was Jody, so it's good to hear that he has renewed
> interest in the Marketing committee.
>
> It's out of date, but there is still value there.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cameron Shorter
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:40
> Subject: Re: [Marketing] Website Redesign
>
> +1
> Jason, I think you are right on track, and I'm really impressed with the
>
> webcom Site Focus page linked below. (First time I've read it). It
> provides the use cases required to design targeted web pages.
> _______________________________________________
> Marketing mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
>
>  
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Arnulf Christl (OSGeo)

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On Wed, December 24, 2008 21:28, Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
> I feel absolutely stupid because I've lost this conversation just to be
> filtered by my mail client to the marketing folder... it will not be the
> last time I'll feel stupid. :-)

Hehe. Stupido! Things like this never happen to anybody else.

> If I can say my opinion, I don't see the need for a re-factory of the
> web site. If you look at the web site of Apache foundation, as ex, they
> have a very simple site: a brief mission definition, news, section, links
> to all resources. same as ours.

I like this suggestion. The web site should give access to the
infrastructure that is operated by OSGeo and not much more. The content
should be reduced to what really is needed from the perspective of
formally running a non profit corporation. No fear of ditching other
"content" or moving it to the Wiki.

We have failed to translate the web site to all languages partly because
it has too much content that does not seems irrelevant and because it is
an extra effort to translate things. The Wiki is much better suitable to
produce and more so to maintain content. Unfortunately it is not multi
language yet but this is something that I would expect WebCom could work
out.

We are missing an obvious access point to a searchable place for
documents, presentations, etc. Tyler has toyed around with a few tools
that make a lot of sense but they are not well integrated into the website
yet.

I like http://planet.osgeo.org/ a lot, it makes OSGeo a lively site
without the need off making people produce content that needs to be voted
on by the whole community, board, etc. Why not stream the titles of new
blogs on the main page of the OSGeo web site instead of the spotlights
that nobody seems to want to maintain?

Regards,
Arnulf.

> I don't even see a problem to use google.com to access internal pages. I
> use google.com for most of sites where I don't want to learn yet another
> fancy structure for a site that has a lot of contents. having a lot of
> contacts is a problem in any case. I would not like to see the google
> search inside the site instead. Not even google analytics. Been a web
> master for long time has taught me to avoid scripts that are not
> fundamental on popular sites.
>
> my 2 cents Lorenzo
>
>
>
> Jason Birch wrote:
>
>> A LOT of that was Jody, so it's good to hear that he has renewed
>> interest in the Marketing committee.
>>
>> It's out of date, but there is still value there.
>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cameron Shorter
>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:40
>> Subject: Re: [Marketing] Website Redesign
>>
>>
>> +1
>> Jason, I think you are right on track, and I'm really impressed with the
>>
>>
>> webcom Site Focus page linked below. (First time I've read it). It
>> provides the use cases required to design targeted web pages.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Marketing mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
>>
>>
>>
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Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:
> I like http://planet.osgeo.org/ a lot, it makes OSGeo a lively site
> without the need off making people produce content that needs to be voted
> on by the whole community, board, etc. Why not stream the titles of new
> blogs on the main page of the OSGeo web site instead of the spotlights
> that nobody seems to want to maintain?

Arnulf,

I think this is a great idea if someone knows how to make it work from a
technical point of view.

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On 12.01.2009 20:22, Frank Warmerdam wrote:

> Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:
>> I like http://planet.osgeo.org/ a lot, it makes OSGeo a lively site
>> without the need off making people produce content that needs to be voted
>> on by the whole community, board, etc. Why not stream the titles of new
>> blogs on the main page of the OSGeo web site instead of the spotlights
>> that nobody seems to want to maintain?
>
> Arnulf,
>
> I think this is a great idea if someone knows how to make it work from a
> technical point of view.
>

Yes I agree. It is a wonderful idea! I know how to do it, and I'll do it
next week. This week is simply too busy ;)

--Wolf

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Planet.Osgeo in home page [was: Website Redesign]

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Wolf Bergenheim wrote:

> On 12.01.2009 20:22, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>  
>> Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:
>>    
>>> I like http://planet.osgeo.org/ a lot, it makes OSGeo a lively site
>>> without the need off making people produce content that needs to be voted
>>> on by the whole community, board, etc. Why not stream the titles of new
>>> blogs on the main page of the OSGeo web site instead of the spotlights
>>> that nobody seems to want to maintain?
>>>      
>> Arnulf,
>>
>> I think this is a great idea if someone knows how to make it work from a
>> technical point of view.
>>
>>    
>
> Yes I agree. It is a wonderful idea! I know how to do it, and I'll do it
> next week. This week is simply too busy ;)
>
> --Wolf
>
>  



I like it too

I've checked drupal for this but I got lost

happy there's Wolf here

lorenzo
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Lorenzo wrote:
> I like it too
> I've checked drupal for this but I got lost
> happy there's Wolf here

I like this idea too, and am also happy Wolf is here. Between WebCom and GSoC (and others) he's made great contributions to OSGeo.  Thanks Wolf!
 
Jason

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Great idea - I can take a peek at it today too.  Then you can fix it  
next week :)

On 12-Jan-09, at 10:40 AM, Wolf Bergenheim wrote:

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> Yes I agree. It is a wonderful idea! I know how to do it, and I'll  
> do it
> next week. This week is simply too busy ;)


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I changed a couple things on the front page, including adding a block  
showing the planet feed.

In order to keep the central columns vertically balanced I moved what  
used to be the footer into the left (left-central) column and  
adjusted the number of items in the events and news lists.

A couple things I'd still like to change, but not so confident in  
doing so :)
1- handle vertical spacing between blocks better
2- remove (or make more consistent) some of the outlines used around  
the central table and the interior blocks
3- have "more" link from planet block go to the actual  
planet.osgeo.org url instead

Hope it works for you all.  Let me know if you have any more changes  
or rollback  suggestions ;-)

Tyler

On 12-Jan-09, at 12:17 PM, Jason Birch wrote:

> Lorenzo wrote:
>> I like it too
>> I've checked drupal for this but I got lost
>> happy there's Wolf here
>
> I like this idea too, and am also happy Wolf is here. Between  
> WebCom and GSoC (and others) he's made great contributions to  
> OSGeo.  Thanks Wolf!
>
>
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Hi Tyler,

Do you know if the code you're using is sanitizing the titles?  I'd hate
to see nasty code being run on our site just because a member's blog got
hacked.

The layout seems a bit odd to me.  I think we need section titles over
each of the news and events areas.

I'd personally have moved both the news and events into the left column,
brought more Planet OSGeo items into its own area on the right to
balance the layout, and left the footer as a footer.

Jason

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Subject: Re: [Webcom] Planet.Osgeo in home page [was: Website Redesign]

I changed a couple things on the front page, including adding a block  
showing the planet feed.

In order to keep the central columns vertically balanced I moved what  
used to be the footer into the left (left-central) column and  
adjusted the number of items in the events and news lists.

A couple things I'd still like to change, but not so confident in  
doing so :)
1- handle vertical spacing between blocks better
2- remove (or make more consistent) some of the outlines used around  
the central table and the interior blocks
3- have "more" link from planet block go to the actual  
planet.osgeo.org url instead

Hope it works for you all.  Let me know if you have any more changes  
or rollback  suggestions ;-)

Tyler

On 12-Jan-09, at 12:17 PM, Jason Birch wrote:

> Lorenzo wrote:
>> I like it too
>> I've checked drupal for this but I got lost
>> happy there's Wolf here
>
> I like this idea too, and am also happy Wolf is here. Between  
> WebCom and GSoC (and others) he's made great contributions to  
> OSGeo.  Thanks Wolf!
>
>
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Hi All,
First of all I indeed think it is a good idea that Spotlight was  
removed in favor of the OSGeo Planet. I have some points for  
improvement too:
- When resizing to a narrow window, the planet and upcoming events  
jump down, leaving a wide white space next to the News section.
- The blog posts open in the same page as the OSGeo pages, so we lose  
the visitors instantly when they hit a blog post. I feel blog posts  
should be opened in a new window.
- I would suggest to remove the name of the blog writer. It means  
something to a very small community, but takes a lot of space that  
detracts from the actual subject.
- The titles / layout of the four main sections on the home page may  
benefit from a consistent layout and consistent dividers between the  
blocks.
- Last thing is something I can't check now, but you may know: blog  
posts that end up on the OSGeo homepage should relate to the subject  
matter we deal with. So we should not see personal blog entries of new  
borns and so on end up there (even though those are incredibly  
important to the blogger and her/his friends!! :-) ). Do we filter the  
blog entries on an OSGeo tag? I think we should and it should be a  
guideline for bloggers to use the osgeo tag in case they want their  
stuff to end up on the OSGeo homepage.

Hope this is useful, ciao,
Jeroen

On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Jason Birch wrote:

> Hi Tyler,
>
> Do you know if the code you're using is sanitizing the titles?  I'd  
> hate
> to see nasty code being run on our site just because a member's blog  
> got
> hacked.
>
> The layout seems a bit odd to me.  I think we need section titles over
> each of the news and events areas.
>
> I'd personally have moved both the news and events into the left  
> column,
> brought more Planet OSGeo items into its own area on the right to
> balance the layout, and left the footer as a footer.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tyler Mitchell
> (OSGeo)
> Sent: January-12-09 9:42 PM
> To: Web committee discussions
> Subject: Re: [Webcom] Planet.Osgeo in home page [was: Website  
> Redesign]
>
> I changed a couple things on the front page, including adding a block
> showing the planet feed.
>
> In order to keep the central columns vertically balanced I moved what
> used to be the footer into the left (left-central) column and
> adjusted the number of items in the events and news lists.
>
> A couple things I'd still like to change, but not so confident in
> doing so :)
> 1- handle vertical spacing between blocks better
> 2- remove (or make more consistent) some of the outlines used around
> the central table and the interior blocks
> 3- have "more" link from planet block go to the actual
> planet.osgeo.org url instead
>
> Hope it works for you all.  Let me know if you have any more changes
> or rollback  suggestions ;-)
>
> Tyler
>
> On 12-Jan-09, at 12:17 PM, Jason Birch wrote:
>
>> Lorenzo wrote:
>>> I like it too
>>> I've checked drupal for this but I got lost
>>> happy there's Wolf here
>>
>> I like this idea too, and am also happy Wolf is here. Between
>> WebCom and GSoC (and others) he's made great contributions to
>> OSGeo.  Thanks Wolf!
>>
>>
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I agree with almost everything below (sorry), except removing the author
names.  I think it's important to give the OSGeo foundation a
personality.

One of the most annoying attitudes I come across is when people say
something like "why can't OSGeo just do ..." without realizing that
OSGeo is really just a bunch of people, primarily volunteers.
Counteracting this is a large part of why I was in favour of the
spotlights, and am now in favour of the blog listing.

The use of an OSGeo-specific feed is encouraged for people submitting to
Planet OSGeo, but I don't believe that it's required.

Jason

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Subject: Re: [Webcom] Planet.Osgeo in home page [was: Website Redesign]

Hi All,
First of all I indeed think it is a good idea that Spotlight was  
removed in favor of the OSGeo Planet. I have some points for  
improvement too:
- When resizing to a narrow window, the planet and upcoming events  
jump down, leaving a wide white space next to the News section.
- The blog posts open in the same page as the OSGeo pages, so we lose  
the visitors instantly when they hit a blog post. I feel blog posts  
should be opened in a new window.
- I would suggest to remove the name of the blog writer. It means  
something to a very small community, but takes a lot of space that  
detracts from the actual subject.
- The titles / layout of the four main sections on the home page may  
benefit from a consistent layout and consistent dividers between the  
blocks.
- Last thing is something I can't check now, but you may know: blog  
posts that end up on the OSGeo homepage should relate to the subject  
matter we deal with. So we should not see personal blog entries of new  
borns and so on end up there (even though those are incredibly  
important to the blogger and her/his friends!! :-) ). Do we filter the  
blog entries on an OSGeo tag? I think we should and it should be a  
guideline for bloggers to use the osgeo tag in case they want their  
stuff to end up on the OSGeo homepage.

Hope this is useful, ciao,
Jeroen

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Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
>
> - The blog posts open in the same page as the OSGeo pages, so we lose
> the visitors instantly when they hit a blog post. I feel blog posts
> should be opened in a new window.
agreed even if against usability rules.
> - I would suggest to remove the name of the blog writer. It means
> something to a very small community, but takes a lot of space that
> detracts from the actual subject.
-1. names are the community

> - The titles / layout of the four main sections on the home page may
> benefit from a consistent layout and consistent dividers between the
> blocks.
+1
> - Last thing is something I can't check now, but you may know: blog
> posts that end up on the OSGeo homepage should relate to the subject
> matter we deal with. So we should not see personal blog entries of new
> borns and so on end up there (even though those are incredibly
> important to the blogger and her/his friends!! :-) ). Do we filter the
> blog entries on an OSGeo tag? I think we should and it should be a
> guideline for bloggers to use the osgeo tag in case they want their
> stuff to end up on the OSGeo homepage.
>
hmm, this is impossible to control. lunch time, sorry!
:-)

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On 12-Jan-09, at 10:19 PM, Jason Birch wrote:

> Do you know if the code you're using is sanitizing the titles?  I'd  
> hate
> to see nasty code being run on our site just because a member's  
> blog got
> hacked.

It strips all but a small set of tags at least from the content.  You  
can define which tags are allowed.  I assume this applies to titles  
too.  In fact it was filtering <img> by default, so I added an  
override for it, now images will show in the full aggregator page:
http://www.osgeo.org/aggregator/categories/1

> I'd personally have moved both the news and events into the left  
> column,
> brought more Planet OSGeo items into its own area on the right to
> balance the layout, and left the footer as a footer.

Good ideas... I've adjusted it accordingly.  Looks better to me!

Tyler

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