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Leland (Audacity Team)

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Anyone notice that if you import a stereo track, the actual track name
get a "1" appended to it?  This doesn't happen for mono tracks.  Should
it be doing this?

Leland


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Re: Track name after importing

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On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 10:45 -0600, Leland wrote:
> Anyone notice that if you import a stereo track, the actual track name
> get a "1" appended to it?  This doesn't happen for mono tracks.  Should
> it be doing this?

You put that in! If you split the stereo track into two mono tracks,
then you will find that they are named _1 and _2, which was done to
avoid the problem where you import a bunch of tracks and get multiple
tracks in the audacity UI which are named identically, and this makes it
very hard for VI users to tell which track they are on.

If you are concerned, you could special case 2-channel files and label
them _L and _R...

Richard


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Richard Ash wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 10:45 -0600, Leland wrote:
>> Anyone notice that if you import a stereo track, the actual track name
>> get a "1" appended to it?  This doesn't happen for mono tracks.  Should
>> it be doing this?
>
> You put that in!
I noticed that.  :-(  I guess I should have looked at that patch a
little better before applying it.

Leland


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| From Richard Ash <[hidden email]>
| Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:28:42 +0000
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Track name after importing

> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 10:45 -0600, Leland wrote:
> > Anyone notice that if you import a stereo track, the actual track name
> > get a "1" appended to it?  This doesn't happen for mono tracks.  Should
> > it be doing this?
>
> You put that in! If you split the stereo track into two mono tracks,
> then you will find that they are named _1 and _2, which was done to
> avoid the problem where you import a bunch of tracks and get multiple
> tracks in the audacity UI which are named identically, and this makes it
> very hard for VI users to tell which track they are on.
>
> If you are concerned, you could special case 2-channel files and label
> them _L and _R...

I don't like the appended "1" either. It is confusing where the file
names already contain numbers, and it *isn't* the name of the file.

So I would much rather if there was no alteration of the name
until the track is split, thence like Richard says (L) and (R) are
appended.    

Note there are also what I would call two minor bugs:

* If you rename the unsplit stereo track and then split it, the
   right channel retains the old name. Maybe this is an
   opportunity to fix this (retain the original name, but
   append L and R respectively). If people rename the split
   tracks then recombine, that can't be helped - we just have      
   to take the left as the combined name.

* If you import the same file twice, or duplicate it, the
   second instance has the same name, so you lose "track"
   of which is which. The use case for the second instance
   would be to keep the original track as a reference
   unmodified copy for listening, or as an original dry track
   into which to mix an effect-modified duplicate. The
   second and subsequent copies should have an appended
   number I think.

Plus, now you've got me started ("Not aiming for 1.4", I guess):

* Second and subsequent tracks created by mixing should
   have a number appended

* With track names of any length, it really is too tedious for
   sighted users to have to click the dropdown > Name...
   to view the full name of the track. Any chance of a tooltip?
 
     

Gale



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Gale Andrews wrote:

> | From Richard Ash <[hidden email]>
> | Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:28:42 +0000
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Track name after importing
>> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 10:45 -0600, Leland wrote:
>>> Anyone notice that if you import a stereo track, the actual track name
>>> get a "1" appended to it?  This doesn't happen for mono tracks.  Should
>>> it be doing this?
>> You put that in! If you split the stereo track into two mono tracks,
>> then you will find that they are named _1 and _2, which was done to
>> avoid the problem where you import a bunch of tracks and get multiple
>> tracks in the audacity UI which are named identically, and this makes it
>> very hard for VI users to tell which track they are on.
>>
>> If you are concerned, you could special case 2-channel files and label
>> them _L and _R...
>
> I don't like the appended "1" either. It is confusing where the file
> names already contain numbers, and it *isn't* the name of the file.
>
> So I would much rather if there was no alteration of the name
> until the track is split, thence like Richard says (L) and (R) are
> appended.    
>
I took the easy way out and skipped adding a sequence number unless the
imported file has more than 2 tracks.  (like multichannel oggs)

Appending the number to the track name wasn't made for VI users.  It was
made to support multichannel file imports.

As far as VI users go, if the track name is equal to the default "Audio
Track", then the track is presented to the screen reader as "Track 1",
"Track 2", "Track 3", etc.  If it doesn't match the default name, then
the actual name is presented to the screen reader.

> Note there are also what I would call two minor bugs:
>
> * If you rename the unsplit stereo track and then split it, the
>    right channel retains the old name. Maybe this is an
>    opportunity to fix this (retain the original name, but
>    append L and R respectively). If people rename the split
>    tracks then recombine, that can't be helped - we just have      
>    to take the left as the combined name.
>
Hmm, it probably should rename the right channel as well.

> * If you import the same file twice, or duplicate it, the
>    second instance has the same name, so you lose "track"
>    of which is which. The use case for the second instance
>    would be to keep the original track as a reference
>    unmodified copy for listening, or as an original dry track
>    into which to mix an effect-modified duplicate. The
>    second and subsequent copies should have an appended
>    number I think.
>
> Plus, now you've got me started ("Not aiming for 1.4", I guess):
>
> * Second and subsequent tracks created by mixing should
>    have a number appended
>
I'm not sure we want to get into the renaming business.  I almost pulled
out suffixing the track number during import of multichannel files.

And where would it end?  What about pasted clips?  Or tracks inserted
via Generate Effects?  And, as you say, what about duplicating tracks or
importing additional copies of the same track?

What I'd vote for is simply to initialize the track name to blank and
let the user fill it in if so desired.

> * With track names of any length, it really is too tedious for
>    sighted users to have to click the dropdown > Name...
>    to view the full name of the track. Any chance of a tooltip?
>  
This could be done and would be a good thing.

Leland


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"Leland (Audacity Team)" wrote:
>>Gale Andrews wrote:
>>> | From Richard Ash <richard@audacityteam.org>
>>> | Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:28:42 +0000
>>> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Track name after importing
>>>> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 10:45 -0600, Leland wrote:
>>>> Anyone notice that if you import a stereo track, the actual track name
>>>> get a "1" appended to it?  This doesn't happen for mono tracks.  Should
>>>> it be doing this?
>>> You put that in! If you split the stereo track into two mono tracks,
>>> then you will find that they are named _1 and _2, which was done to
>>> avoid the problem where you import a bunch of tracks and get multiple
>>> tracks in the audacity UI which are named identically, and this makes it
>>> very hard for VI users to tell which track they are on.
>>>
>>> If you are concerned, you could special case 2-channel files and label
>>> them _L and _R...
>>
>> I don't like the appended "1" either. It is confusing where the file
>> names already contain numbers, and it *isn't* the name of the file.
>>
>> So I would much rather if there was no alteration of the name
>> until the track is split, thence like Richard says (L) and (R) are
>> appended.    
>
> I took the easy way out and skipped adding a sequence number unless the
> imported file has more than 2 tracks.  (like multichannel oggs)

IMO adding a sequence number only for files with more than two channels would be the correct approach (but possibly add "L" and "R" for left and right if you split a stereo track). But what Leland suggested is not what happens now. Mono files have no number added, but stereo have a "1" added (for both left and right channels if you split, which is even more pointless). Multi-channel files have numbers added for each channel as expected.  



Gale