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Jason Birch

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Frank wrote:
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I would be supportive of such a direction for FDO.  I'm not sure what you
mean about making the Trac front page look nicer though.  Is this about
better information organization?  Or about html/css styling type changes?
I'm not super keen on doing fancy css/html stuff for the trac instances.
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No, I'm happy with the bare look (especially now that you've nuked the ugly red links) though we could certainly use a nice image on the main page and maybe a logo.

Better internal information organization would be necessary as we migrated documents from the main website.  In particular, one thing that is missing from Trac is a sidebar navigation system.  Hectares BC is using a macro called TracNav (yes, I know that we're trying not to use custom stuff in Trac) that would meet this need:

http://www.hectaresbc.org/trac

http://svn.ipd.uka.de/trac/javaparty/wiki/TracNav

Jason

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Jason Birch wrote:
> Better internal information organization would be necessary as we
> migrated documents from the main website.
 > [...]

I'd give another example of IMO well structured Trac:

http://liblas.org/

Would we need RFC for such Website/Trac refactoring?
If we do, perhaps we can list main headlines and bullets we want to see
at frontpage.

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I like the information on the LibLAS site, though I would personally have broken it out into sub-pages.

This would definitely require an RFC if there is enough buy-in for it, but I wanted to get some discussion going first.  I agree that it would be a good idea to list sections and sub-sections in the RFC to make the transition manageable.

Jason

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I'd give another example of IMO well structured Trac:

http://liblas.org/

Would we need RFC for such Website/Trac refactoring?
If we do, perhaps we can list main headlines and bullets we want to see
at frontpage.

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Any further thoughts on this?  Specifically, any outright objections?  If not, I'll start to put together an RFC for this when I have time.

Thanks,
Jason

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Frank wrote:
----------------------
I would be supportive of such a direction for FDO.  I'm not sure what you mean about making the Trac front page look nicer though.  Is this about better information organization?  Or about html/css styling type changes?
I'm not super keen on doing fancy css/html stuff for the trac instances.
----------------------

No, I'm happy with the bare look (especially now that you've nuked the ugly red links) though we could certainly use a nice image on the main page and maybe a logo.

Better internal information organization would be necessary as we migrated documents from the main website.  In particular, one thing that is missing from Trac is a sidebar navigation system.  Hectares BC is using a macro called TracNav (yes, I know that we're trying not to use custom stuff in Trac) that would meet this need:

http://www.hectaresbc.org/trac

http://svn.ipd.uka.de/trac/javaparty/wiki/TracNav

Jason

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No comments on this?  Are there folks who are highly attached to the Drupal website?  Is it worth my time to write up an RFC for this?
 
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This would definitely require an RFC if there is enough buy-in for it, but I wanted to get some discussion going first.  I agree that it would be a good idea to list sections and sub-sections in the RFC to make the transition manageable.

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Sorry.  Not enough context.  To clarify, I was asking about whether there was any feedback on my proposal to move the Drupal content to the Trac website, and decommission the Drupal site.
 
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No comments on this?  Are there folks who are highly attached to the Drupal website?  Is it worth my time to write up an RFC for this?
 
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My only concern is that sometimes the osgeo trac grinds to a halt,
while the drupal
seems to be pretty reliable...

I'm all for a single site, trac is a little hidden at the moment

z

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Jason Birch <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No comments on this?  Are there folks who are highly attached to the Drupal website?  Is it worth my time to write up an RFC for this?
>
> Jason
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> Subject: RE: [fdo-internals] Trac Website
>
> This would definitely require an RFC if there is enough buy-in for it, but I wanted to get some discussion going first.  I agree that it would be a good idea to list sections and sub-sections in the RFC to make the transition manageable.
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Folks,

I'm in favor of merging the drupal site contents into Trac and
making that our face.  I find the current split confusing for
a rather developer oriented thing like FDO.


Zac Spitzer wrote:
> My only concern is that sometimes the osgeo trac grinds to a halt,
> while the drupal
> seems to be pretty reliable...

I'm under the impression that part of the problem is our use of
sqlite backends for Trac and that it is easy to get database
locking issues.  We are contemplating using a real multi-user
database like postgres or ingres for Trac in the future to alleviate
this.

> I'm all for a single site, trac is a little hidden at the moment
>
> z
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Jason Birch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> No comments on this?  Are there folks who are highly attached to the Drupal website?  Is it worth my time to write up an RFC for this?
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: [hidden email] on behalf of Jason Birch
>> Subject: RE: [fdo-internals] Trac Website
>>
>> This would definitely require an RFC if there is enough buy-in for it, but I wanted to get some discussion going first.  I agree that it would be a good idea to list sections and sub-sections in the RFC to make the transition manageable.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
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I agree with Frank, the internal part is hidden and not obvious.

Jason, can you elaborate a bit on how what your are suggesting would impact the FDO site?

Robert Fortin

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Folks,

I'm in favor of merging the drupal site contents into Trac and
making that our face.  I find the current split confusing for
a rather developer oriented thing like FDO.


Zac Spitzer wrote:
> My only concern is that sometimes the osgeo trac grinds to a halt,
> while the drupal
> seems to be pretty reliable...

I'm under the impression that part of the problem is our use of
sqlite backends for Trac and that it is easy to get database
locking issues.  We are contemplating using a real multi-user
database like postgres or ingres for Trac in the future to alleviate
this.

> I'm all for a single site, trac is a little hidden at the moment
>
> z
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Jason Birch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> No comments on this?  Are there folks who are highly attached to the Drupal website?  Is it worth my time to write up an RFC for this?
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: [hidden email] on behalf of Jason Birch
>> Subject: RE: [fdo-internals] Trac Website
>>
>> This would definitely require an RFC if there is enough buy-in for it, but I wanted to get some discussion going first.  I agree that it would be a good idea to list sections and sub-sections in the RFC to make the transition manageable.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/fdo-internals
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>>
>
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My "pie-in-the-sky" vision would be to move all of the content of the
HTML pages at fdo.osgeo.org onto the Trac site.  The current main page
of the Trac wiki would be pushed a bit deeper into the site, and
probably broken up into separate sections.  There may also be an
opportunity to restructure the pages on the web site into different
sections if others are interested, but I don't have any real goals for
that.

One of the benefits I see from this is that the Doxygen docs could be
moved to download.osgeo.org/fdo/, opening the path for automated
documentation builds on one of the telascience servers.

The only hurdle I can see to doing this would be in setting up a menu.
I would like to see the TracNav macro installed on Trac to support a
global menu for all wiki pages.

http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracNav

Cool example:

http://www.hectaresbc.org/trac/wiki/HabcTechnicalInformation

If there is enough agreement for this, I'll write up an RFC for the
move, and make a request to SAC to install that macro.

Jason

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I agree with Frank, the internal part is hidden and not obvious.

Jason, can you elaborate a bit on how what your are suggesting would
impact the FDO site?

Robert Fortin

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Folks,

I'm in favor of merging the drupal site contents into Trac and
making that our face.  I find the current split confusing for
a rather developer oriented thing like FDO.


Zac Spitzer wrote:
> My only concern is that sometimes the osgeo trac grinds to a halt,
> while the drupal
> seems to be pretty reliable...

I'm under the impression that part of the problem is our use of
sqlite backends for Trac and that it is easy to get database
locking issues.  We are contemplating using a real multi-user
database like postgres or ingres for Trac in the future to alleviate
this.

> I'm all for a single site, trac is a little hidden at the moment
>
> z
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Jason Birch <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>> No comments on this?  Are there folks who are highly attached to the
Drupal website?  Is it worth my time to write up an RFC for this?
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: [hidden email] on behalf of Jason Birch
>> Subject: RE: [fdo-internals] Trac Website
>>
>> This would definitely require an RFC if there is enough buy-in for
it, but I wanted to get some discussion going first.  I agree that it
would be a good idea to list sections and sub-sections in the RFC to
make the transition manageable.

>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> fdo-internals mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/fdo-internals
>>
>>
>
>
>


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