"Tomorrow's Web"

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Stephen Mount-2

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Dear All,

Just posting about a reminder that the "Tomorrow's Web" event is  
coming up on the 8th August in London.

Although I don't think the DFEY crew are the appropriate audience for  
this event, as we don't all seem to aspire to be a founder of a  
website which allows you to poke people.

Regardless, I'm going to come down and also say hello to Steward  
Townshend from Sun Startup Essentials - which is a programme for start-
ups who are paying less than £75K/year on servers can be eligible for  
Sun kit. I realise that turned into an advert, sorry ;-)

You can register here:-

http://tomorrowsweb.eventbrite.com/

You can find out all about it here:-

http://tomorrowswebconf.com/index.php

Sorry this is short, I'm trying to get 10000000 subscribers to my  
YouTube feed.

Enjoy,

Steve.

Tim Dobson-2

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Stephen Mount wrote:
  > Although I don't think the DFEY crew are the appropriate audience for
> this event, as we don't all seem to aspire to be a founder of a website
> which allows you to poke people.

  <snip>

> You can find out all about it here:-
>
> http://tomorrowswebconf.com/index.php

I'd like to give my perspective on Tommorrow's Web Conference.

I do, on principle like the idea of event's involving young people &
technology as I feel anything that brings together technologically adept
young people is a worthwhile activity.

However, that said, I am very concerned about several aspects of
Tommorrow's Web.


* It's unclear what it's about.

So the website says:
"The Tomorrow's Web Conference brings youth and technology together in
London, this coming August 8th. It's the first of it's kind to hit the
UK, and is already set to be a truly unique and exciting event, and with
over 9 hours worth of planned speakers, panels and startup pitches, you
can see why!

Learn from the entrepreneurs and innovators of tomorrow, find out what
they're thinking about current and future topics on the web. Be part of
something extraordinary and talk with future potential Mark Zuckerbergs.
As well as playing a key role in supporting the future of the industry."

Which is fairly vague marketing patter, when one goes to:
http://tomorrowswebconf.com/agenda.php
There is no agenda, and so it is very hard to get a feel for what it's
about which worries me.
As someone suggested on IRC earlier about something else:
"if it had clear direction at the beginning only people who agreed with
that direction would've joined and so it'd be able to work together better."

For me to suggest to anyone, they should commit any amount of money to
travel costs going to an event, I need to have a clear idea of what the
event is about.

I can't do this at the moment.


* Speakers

Take a look at this link:
http://tomorrowswebconf.com/speakers.php

Great! So the entrepreneurs and innovators we are learning from include
two esteemed vloggers and a guy who once received a phone call from
Scotland's first minister in his Geography lesson.

With all due respect, I'm not sure how this has anything to do with the
subject of the conference. Of course, not having a clear idea about what
  the conference actually is about might or might not make talks from
people who have received phone calls from important people relevant.

(Disclaimer: I have been asked to speak at the event myself on general
free software advocacy - not really something that's my strong point)


* It feels very commercially orientated.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not an anti-capitalist or anything quite
so exciting, I'm all for teenage entrepreneurship, I indulge in a bit
myself, but should teen entrepreneurs be courting Venture capitalists
from the word go, giving pitches for their ideas to "dragons" (aka VC's).

In my opinion probably not.
You may, if you are lucky find yourself in the position of Larry &
Sergey in a few years time, but many web entrepreneurs are successful
and never touch VC money, building one's businesses organically.

Running a session on businesses for dummies would be much appreciated by
one person here at least, but why do I already have to have an idea to
get the advice in the form of a pitch.


* Exploitation

I'm somewhat worried about the members of DFEY being commercially
exploited without perhaps realising it at first.

On several occasions I have refered work to friends of mine who are
involved in DFEY. Before passing anything on, I am very careful to make
sure that I trust the work not to mess one around and that I would do
the work myself for whatever was being offered, if I could/was free.

Having put in 3 months of elbow grease to produce setup a completely
functional e-commerce during my GCSE mocks for just £300, I have learned
the hard way about projects to just *not* get involved with.

I'm very worried that there may be people looking to exploit people's
technological capabilities and natural goodwill for their own gain,
without any regard for what might be "fair".

(As a rule of thumb if it's not a free software project and they want
you to work for nothing or don't discuss payment, run away fast)


* Data Security

I know may people in DFEY value the security of their data very highly,
so one thing that unnerved me was when one of the organisers asked me
for contact details and URLs of young people involved in DFEY.
When asked "er, why?", the response came back - to add to a database of
young people interested in technology.

I quickly declined.

Neither I personally nor DFEY are in the business of passing on your
information without your knowledge or consent.

Posting to the mailing list reaches most people anyway.


* Marketing of the event

I have been quite concerned by how this event has been aggressively
marketed to people.

Several times during it's build up I have seen tweets to the effect of
"Over $number people are attending Tomorrows Web". The tomorrow's web
sign up page lists who has signed up. The number of people on the list
has always been ~25% less than the $number specified in the tweets.
This practise of aggressively rounding figures up may work out well for
some, but to me it doesn't send out a good ethos to me.



I would dearly like tomorrow's web to be a success - the chances are
I'll end up putting up the money to get down to london, but due to what
I've just explained I can't recommend going.

I do hope what I've mentioned gets addressed and I'm able to suggest
people might like to go, but for the time being, I would keep an arms
length.

Regards,

Tim


Robert Leverington

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On 2009-07-23, Stephen Mount wrote:
> Just posting about a reminder that the "Tomorrow's Web" event is coming
> up on the 8th August in London.

I plan to go to this also, mainly because transport to London is cheap
for me and I have an interesting in the topic.

Robert


Connor Smith

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On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 22:00 +0000, Robert Leverington wrote:
> I plan to go to this also, mainly because transport to London is cheap
> for me and I have an interesting in the topic.

Indeed. For you, it may just be a waste of time.

cls



Stephen Mount-2

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You need to have a significant of YouTube subscribers to attend.

On 23 Jul 2009, at 23:02, Connor Smith wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 22:00 +0000, Robert Leverington wrote:
>> I plan to go to this also, mainly because transport to London is  
>> cheap
>> for me and I have an interesting in the topic.
>
> Indeed. For you, it may just be a waste of time.
>
> cls
>
>
>



Tim Dobson-2

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Stephen Mount wrote:
> we don't all seem to aspire to be a founder of a website
> which allows you to poke people.

I don't aspire to be one either; I am one!

Introducing www.pokebook.co.uk...

Pokebook is an exciting new service which has transformed the landscape
of the web. Designed for teenagers with too much time on their hands, it
has been specifically engineered to capture the attention of kids as
they flip between youtube and bebo.

Pokebook is currently about to enter a private alpha period whilst
looking for VC seed funding to take this exciting new venture to the
next level.

Tim Dobson
CEO, CTO and Founder of Pokebook


"The biggest innovation since Windows ME" - Time Magazine


Isabell Long

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On 24/07/2009, Tim Dobson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Stephen Mount wrote:
>> we don't all seem to aspire to be a founder of a website
>> which allows you to poke people.
>
> I don't aspire to be one either; I am one!
>
> Introducing www.pokebook.co.uk...
>
> Pokebook is an exciting new service which has transformed the landscape
> of the web. Designed for teenagers with too much time on their hands, it
> has been specifically engineered to capture the attention of kids as
> they flip between youtube and bebo.

Oh wow!  What will it do/be then Tim?

About 'tomorrow's web'.  I saw this yesterday.. I really wanted to go,
and still do actually, but we'll be in Belgium on August 8th and I
wouldn't go to London on my own anyway *yet*.  And after Tim's
comments I am quite wary.  Oh well, next summer maybe a similiar thing
will happen!


--
Regards,
Isabell Long.  <[hidden email]>
[[User:Isabell121]] on all public Wikimedia projects.
Freenode Community Co-Ordinator - issyl0 on irc.freenode.net


Tim Dobson-2

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Hi there,

Stephen Mount wrote:
> Just posting about a reminder that the "Tomorrow's Web" event is coming
> up on the 8th August in London.

This is this Saturday.

Despite my concerns about this event I will be going to it.
http://tomorrowswebconf.com/

I have a spare child (>16) train ticket down there. I originally was
going to be going down with Ste Mount but that doesn't quite fit in with
his schedule and so now I have a free train ticket.

If you can be at *Manchester Piccadilly* sometime before 07:35 on
Saturday and are ok to get back to Manchester at 20:49, please email me
at [hidden email] ASAP.

If you aren't >16 I'm happy to try and phone customer service and try
and get it upgraded, just please let me know at [hidden email] you can
and want to go ASAP.

Travelling on ones own is rather boring and I don't really look forward
to two longish train journeys with no one to chat to - no one is even on
IRC at 8am on Saturday morning. :P

First come, first served basis.

any questions, ping me at [hidden email] or aim at the list. :0

Tim



x_rob

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Just to clarify you mean a child ticket for under 16 year-olds so <16?

2009/8/6 Tim Dobson <[hidden email]>
Hi there,

Stephen Mount wrote:
Just posting about a reminder that the "Tomorrow's Web" event is coming up on the 8th August in London.

This is this Saturday.

Despite my concerns about this event I will be going to it.
http://tomorrowswebconf.com/

I have a spare child (>16) train ticket down there. I originally was going to be going down with Ste Mount but that doesn't quite fit in with his schedule and so now I have a free train ticket.

If you can be at *Manchester Piccadilly* sometime before 07:35 on Saturday and are ok to get back to Manchester at 20:49, please email me at [hidden email] ASAP.

If you aren't >16 I'm happy to try and phone customer service and try and get it upgraded, just please let me know at [hidden email] you can and want to go ASAP.

Travelling on ones own is rather boring and I don't really look forward to two longish train journeys with no one to chat to - no one is even on IRC at 8am on Saturday morning. :P

First come, first served basis.

any questions, ping me at [hidden email] or aim at the list. :0

Tim




Stephen Mount-4

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I'll be on :-)

On 6 Aug 2009, at 22:08, Tim Dobson wrote:

> Travelling on ones own is rather boring and I don't really look  
> forward to two longish train journeys with no one to chat to - no  
> one is even on IRC at 8am on Saturday morning. :P



Tim Dobson-2

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Rob Barry wrote:
> Just to clarify you mean a child ticket for under 16 year-olds so <16?

Er yeah. Well spotted - that's exactly what I meant.

I have a child ticket, but I happy to try and upgrade it, though letting
me try sooner rather than later would probably be a good idea!

Tim


Tim Dobson-2

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Thanks to Ste for coming down to Tomorrow's Web with me. :)

It was... interesting, very umm mixed.

There were some absolutely excellent talks - one about freelancing and
another about API's stick in my mind (and not just cause the guy
compared open source software to software piracy! - he did apologise
though :) ).

There were some not so great talks too and personally I found the way it
was orientated on making loads of money a bit disconcerting. I'm all for
making money :) :) but I'm fairly sure I can do it with using dodgy
ethically unsound methods which involve hiring 14yro's on peanuts and
following thousands of people on twitter every day. :P

Anyway, thanks to Ste for coming down, at some point I do intend to blog
about it, I also have videos of a lot of the talks I attended which I'm
going to be uploading if anyone is interested!

Thanks,

Tim

Stephen Mount wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Just posting about a reminder that the "Tomorrow's Web" event is coming
> up on the 8th August in London.
>
> Although I don't think the DFEY crew are the appropriate audience for
> this event, as we don't all seem to aspire to be a founder of a website
> which allows you to poke people.
>
> Regardless, I'm going to come down and also say hello to Steward
> Townshend from Sun Startup Essentials - which is a programme for
> start-ups who are paying less than £75K/year on servers can be eligible
> for Sun kit. I realise that turned into an advert, sorry ;-)
>
> You can register here:-
>
> http://tomorrowsweb.eventbrite.com/
>
> You can find out all about it here:-
>
> http://tomorrowswebconf.com/index.php
>
> Sorry this is short, I'm trying to get 10000000 subscribers to my
> YouTube feed.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Steve.
>