Russian JCUKEN layout

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Russian JCUKEN layout

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Hello,

Is there a JCUKEN layout available for Russian? JCUKEN is the layout most commonly used in Russia. I haven't seen YAWERTY used all that much.

If there isn't, there are tables here: http://serious-sam.net/files/russian_jcuken.tar.gz

I made them a while ago. If there isn't already such a layout, please feel free to include them.

Cheers,
Misha

Kenichi Handa-2

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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In article <[hidden email]>, mpenkov <[hidden email]> writes:

> Is there a JCUKEN layout available for Russian? JCUKEN is the layout most
> commonly used in Russia. I haven't seen YAWERTY used all that much.

Isn't the layout same as "ru-kdb.mim" which is included in
the m17n input method?

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mpenkov

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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Yeah, they look the same. Sorry, I didn't know about the m17n package
before you mentioned it.

Cheers and regards,
Michael

On 17/12/2007, Kenichi Handa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> In article <[hidden email]>, mpenkov <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > Is there a JCUKEN layout available for Russian? JCUKEN is the layout most
> > commonly used in Russia. I haven't seen YAWERTY used all that much.
>
> Isn't the layout same as "ru-kdb.mim" which is included in
> the m17n input method?
>
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Daniil Ivanov-2

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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Hello,

ru-kbd.mim is very strange one. It just resemble Russian keyboard layout.
If so why you just cannot use normal Russian keyboard layout through
xkb? Scim and m17n are about to input non-Latin characters with
their romanization. ru-kbd.mim has nothing to do with romanization.
I really don't know why it exists and if it's really used by anyone.

Thanks, Daniil.

On 18/12/2007, Michael Penkov <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yeah, they look the same. Sorry, I didn't know about the m17n package
> before you mentioned it.
>
> Cheers and regards,
> Michael
>
> On 17/12/2007, Kenichi Handa <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > In article <[hidden email]>, mpenkov <[hidden email]> writes:
> >
> > > Is there a JCUKEN layout available for Russian? JCUKEN is the layout most
> > > commonly used in Russia. I haven't seen YAWERTY used all that much.
> >
> > Isn't the layout same as "ru-kdb.mim" which is included in
> > the m17n input method?
> >
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mpenkov

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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Hello Daniil,

I want to use scim because I enter input in languages other than
Russian and English, such as Japanese. Using scim for Japanese and
xkb for English/Russian seems a little bit awkward to me.

What in particular is strange about ru-kbd.min? I've been using it
for around a day and haven't come across anything out of the
ordinary...

Cheers,
Michael

On 18/12/2007, Daniil Ivanov <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> ru-kbd.mim is very strange one. It just resemble Russian keyboard layout.
> If so why you just cannot use normal Russian keyboard layout through
> xkb? Scim and m17n are about to input non-Latin characters with
> their romanization. ru-kbd.mim has nothing to do with romanization.
> I really don't know why it exists and if it's really used by anyone.
>
> Thanks, Daniil.
>
> On 18/12/2007, Michael Penkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Yeah, they look the same. Sorry, I didn't know about the m17n package
> > before you mentioned it.
> >
> > Cheers and regards,
> > Michael
> >
> > On 17/12/2007, Kenichi Handa <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > In article <[hidden email]>, mpenkov <[hidden email]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Is there a JCUKEN layout available for Russian? JCUKEN is the layout most
> > > > commonly used in Russia. I haven't seen YAWERTY used all that much.
> > >
> > > Isn't the layout same as "ru-kdb.mim" which is included in
> > > the m17n input method?
> > >
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TAKAHASHI Naoto

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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"Daniil Ivanov" writes:

> Scim and m17n are about to input non-Latin characters with
> their romanization.

No, scim and m17n are not limited to romanisation.

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Kenichi Handa-2

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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In article <[hidden email]>, "Daniil Ivanov" <[hidden email]> writes:

> ru-kbd.mim is very strange one. It just resemble Russian keyboard layout.
> If so why you just cannot use normal Russian keyboard layout through
> xkb? Scim and m17n are about to input non-Latin characters with
> their romanization. ru-kbd.mim has nothing to do with romanization.
> I really don't know why it exists and if it's really used by anyone.

The map of ru-kdb.mim was taken from Emacs' input method
"russian-computer" which is the default one for "Russian"
language environment.

"Michael Penkov" <[hidden email]> writes:

> On 17/12/2007, Kenichi Handa <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > In article <[hidden email]>, mpenkov <[hidden email]> writes:
> >
> > > Is there a JCUKEN layout available for Russian? JCUKEN is the layout most
> > > commonly used in Russia. I haven't seen YAWERTY used all that much.
> >
> > Isn't the layout same as "ru-kdb.mim" which is included in
> > the m17n input method?
> Yeah, they look the same. Sorry, I didn't know about the m17n package
> before you mentioned it.

If so, doesn't it mean that JCUKEN is also "very strange one"?

By the way, scim/m17n is not limitted to inputting non-Latin
by romanization.

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mpenkov

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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Hello Kenichi,

On 19/12/2007, Kenichi Handa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> In article <[hidden email]>, "Daniil Ivanov" <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > ru-kbd.mim is very strange one. It just resemble Russian keyboard layout.
> > If so why you just cannot use normal Russian keyboard layout through
> > xkb? Scim and m17n are about to input non-Latin characters with
> > their romanization. ru-kbd.mim has nothing to do with romanization.
> > I really don't know why it exists and if it's really used by anyone.
>
> The map of ru-kdb.mim was taken from Emacs' input method
> "russian-computer" which is the default one for "Russian"
> language environment.
>
> "Michael Penkov" <[hidden email]> writes:
> > On 17/12/2007, Kenichi Handa <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > In article <[hidden email]>, mpenkov <[hidden email]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Is there a JCUKEN layout available for Russian? JCUKEN is the layout most
> > > > commonly used in Russia. I haven't seen YAWERTY used all that much.
> > >
> > > Isn't the layout same as "ru-kdb.mim" which is included in
> > > the m17n input method?
> > Yeah, they look the same. Sorry, I didn't know about the m17n package
> > before you mentioned it.
>
> If so, doesn't it mean that JCUKEN is also "very strange one"?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

JCUKEN is just the layout I created for my personal use (it was pretty
easy actually, only took a couple of minutes) before I found out about
the m17n package. I've been using ru.kbd.mim since a few days ago and
it seems to be the same layout. There is no need for JCUKEN in this
case.

Thus my original question is answered, and this topic can be considered closed.

Thanks and regards,
Michael

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Kenichi Handa-2

Re: Russian JCUKEN layout

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In article <[hidden email]>, "Michael Penkov" <[hidden email]> writes:

> > If so, doesn't it mean that JCUKEN is also "very strange one"?

> I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

You wrote that JCUKEN and ru-kbd.mim are the same, and
Daniil wrote that ru-kbd.mim is very strange. That means
JCUKEN is strange (at least for Daniil).

> JCUKEN is just the layout I created for my personal use (it was pretty
> easy actually, only took a couple of minutes) before I found out about
> the m17n package. I've been using ru.kbd.mim since a few days ago and
> it seems to be the same layout. There is no need for JCUKEN in this
> case.

> Thus my original question is answered, and this topic can be considered closed.

I agree.

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