Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals

[Rod Whitby]

http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html

It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko  
community, and move on to new things.

My dream of an OpenMoko phone with a hardware keyboard to replace my  
aging Treo 650 was never realised, and you all know the rest of the  
story on the software side of things.

I've now started a new community (webos-internals.org) which does open  
source Linux-based development for the Palm Pre.

My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between  
the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals  
community which has recently started.

I wish everyone continuing down the OpenMoko path the best of success  
in the future.

-- Rod

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[Stefan Schmidt-2]

Hello.

On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 22:08, Rod Whitby wrote:
>
> My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between  
> the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals  
> community which has recently started.

Work for such a bridge is already ongoing. Hardware should be here around
2009-10-12.

http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre_Challenge

Hope to see you on the other side. :)

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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[Wolfgang Spraul-3]

Rod,
wow, sad to see you go indeed.
You are one of the true old-timers of Openmoko :-)
Since hacking the Palm Pre is not that far from an 'open phone' perspective,
maybe you can add a feed to the Openmoko planet and we can that way stay in
touch with what you are doing?
I will regularly check what's going on at webos-internals.org
All the best! Good luck!
Wolfgang

On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:08:23PM +1030, Rod Whitby wrote:

> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html
>
> It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko  
> community, and move on to new things.
>
> My dream of an OpenMoko phone with a hardware keyboard to replace my  
> aging Treo 650 was never realised, and you all know the rest of the  
> story on the software side of things.
>
> I've now started a new community (webos-internals.org) which does open  
> source Linux-based development for the Palm Pre.
>
> My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between  
> the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals  
> community which has recently started.
>
> I wish everyone continuing down the OpenMoko path the best of success  
> in the future.
>
> -- Rod
>
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[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer-2]

Rod,

thanks for all the work you did to bring Openmoko forward!

Even though it took all so long due to all our detours, I'm quite satisfied
with what the Openmoko community has created throughout the years, especially
since Openmoko Inc. stopped guiding the project.

A hardware family often is the initial trigger to establish a community,
however it's important to embrace and extend, especially when the days of the
hardware family are counted. As other solution come around, it gets important
for the Openmoko community to widen the focus and grow into something larger.

I created the freesmartphone.org project to cover a much wider scope than
Openmoko -- as such, we are looking forward to continue our work on FSO
covering both anti-vendor-ports and forthcoming semiopen devices such as the
Palm Pre and the Nokia N900.

So... good bye and hello again!

See you soon,

:M:

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[Tilman Baumann]

Thank you anyway. Traitor! :)
And ROFL about the northern hemisphere chauvinism issue with your GPS. *g*
I hope that is not a omen...

See you back ;)

Rod Whitby wrote:
> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html
>
> It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko
> community, and move on to new things.
>


--
MFG
 Tilman Baumann


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[Alan Cox]

> I created the freesmartphone.org project to cover a much wider scope than
> Openmoko -- as such, we are looking forward to continue our work on FSO
> covering both anti-vendor-ports and forthcoming semiopen devices such as the
> Palm Pre and the Nokia N900.

I've obviously not been paying attention as I'd missed freesmartphone.org

On a related point freesmartphone.org seems to be using the old hackish
3gpp ts07.10 user space code. I've got almost all of a kernel driver only
my AT+CMUX capable device has expired. Dunno if anyone is interested in
finishing the job (its basically written but not at all debugged and I
know the tx queueing needs work either to make it do all the priorities
right or just forget the the whole priority nightmare)

Alternatively does anyone know what cheaper EU devices support AT+CMUX,
it seems quite rare this side of the pond

Alan

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[Sudharshan S]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Rod Whitby <[hidden email]> wrote:
> http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/webos-internals/palm-pre-lands-in-australia.html
>
> It is with some sadness that I must say goodbye to the OpenMoko community,
> and move on to new things.
>

So long and thanks for all the fish.. MokoMakefile was a neat script. :)

Regards
Sudharshan S
Blog : http://sudharsh.wordpress.com
IRC  : Sup3rkiddo @ Freenode, Gimpnet

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[leviathan]

> My dream of an OpenMoko phone with a hardware keyboard to replace my
> aging Treo 650 was never realised, and you all know the rest of the
> story on the software side of things.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream
Its nearly fully working and it has a keyboard ;)

> I've now started a new community (webos-internals.org) which does open
> source Linux-based development for the Palm Pre.
Hmm, would be nice to have OpenMoko running there too.
Tomorrow I'll put our enterprise server into a data center, directly connected
to the european backbone.
My enterprise (www.o2s.ch) has decided to officialy support OpenMoko as a
platform.
We have some big customers ATM, which will need to have organizers, etc.
So hopefully our activity will push the project (hardware and software) again.
Tomorrow we will install our new server directly to one of the backbones in
europe. With this emense uplink we can not only support OpenMoko by developing
and selling devices to enterprises, but also can provide a free repository to
the OpenMoko developers.
Here in switzerland its more legere concerning the license and patent
politics, so with this repo it will be possible to publish root images with
included mp3-players and so on, again.
I hope, this gift will be taken from the community thankfully.

> My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between
> the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals
> community which has recently started.
I think we can use the software developed by your crew and port it to
OpenMoko, yes.

> I wish everyone continuing down the OpenMoko path the best of success
> in the future.
Thanks, same to you.
Greatings
        leviathan

> -- Rod
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[Yorick Moko]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, David Lanzendörfer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My dream of an OpenMoko phone with a hardware keyboard to replace my
> aging Treo 650 was never realised, and you all know the rest of the
> story on the software side of things.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream
Its nearly fully working and it has a keyboard ;)

> I've now started a new community (webos-internals.org) which does open
> source Linux-based development for the Palm Pre.

Hmm, would be nice to have OpenMoko running there too.
Tomorrow I'll put our enterprise server into a data center, directly connected
to the european backbone.
My enterprise (www.o2s.ch) has decided to officialy support OpenMoko as a
platform.
We have some big customers ATM, which will need to have organizers, etc.
So hopefully our activity will push the project (hardware and software) again.
Tomorrow we will install our new server directly to one of the backbones in
europe. With this emense uplink we can not only support OpenMoko by developing
and selling devices to enterprises, but also can provide a free repository to
the OpenMoko developers.
Here in switzerland its more legere concerning the license and patent
politics, so with this repo it will be possible to publish root images with
included mp3-players and so on, again.
I hope, this gift will be taken from the community thankfully.

> My hope is that freesmartphone.org may one day be the bridge between
> the OpenMoko community I am now leaving, and the WebOS Internals
> community which has recently started.

I think we can use the software developed by your crew and port it to
OpenMoko, yes.

> I wish everyone continuing down the OpenMoko path the best of success
> in the future.

Thanks, same to you.
Greatings
       leviathan

> -- Rod
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This sounds like great news.
Would you like to post it on the community list?
that way it will reach a lot more people!

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[leviathan]

> This sounds like great news.
> Would you like to post it on the community list?
> that way it will reach a lot more people!
I'll post it there as soon as the repository and the project page are ready
and online for up- and download.
Then it will have much more impact.
I'm working right now on a totaly new remix of openmoko.
Based on fso, hildon (maemo-desktop), OE.
I'm testing ATM around, I'll upload the finished initial rootfs for freerunner,
htc-* and nokia-* to the repo, when I have built them.
We have ATM little problems with alsa in the replicants team, but this will be
solved soon, and we will have a fully functional OpenMoko for the mostpart of
the htc-phones, and nokia-phones are also in progress.
I want to be totally frankly, so I'll say it to the beginning:
There will be the first time need for a good GUI and robust enterprise specific
tools.
Support for LDAP-calendars/contactlists/etc. needs to be implemented.
So I beg, that I'll not be standing alone.
Because that would be very uncomfortable for me.
But beyond all dubt, I'm really hoping that the OpenMoko team and my
enterprise will manage to do not only a step into the home of some embedded
device hackers and geeks, but this time much further, into big companies we
would never have dreamed of before.

nice greatings
        leviathan
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[Yorick Moko]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:03 PM, David Lanzendörfer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This sounds like great news.
> Would you like to post it on the community list?
> that way it will reach a lot more people!

I'll post it there as soon as the repository and the project page are ready
and online for up- and download.
Then it will have much more impact.
I'm working right now on a totaly new remix of openmoko.
Based on fso, hildon (maemo-desktop), OE.
I'm testing ATM around, I'll upload the finished initial rootfs for freerunner,
htc-* and nokia-* to the repo, when I have built them.
We have ATM little problems with alsa in the replicants team, but this will be
solved soon, and we will have a fully functional OpenMoko for the mostpart of
the htc-phones, and nokia-phones are also in progress.
I want to be totally frankly, so I'll say it to the beginning:
There will be the first time need for a good GUI and robust enterprise specific
tools.
Support for LDAP-calendars/contactlists/etc. needs to be implemented.
So I beg, that I'll not be standing alone.
Because that would be very uncomfortable for me.
But beyond all dubt, I'm really hoping that the OpenMoko team and my
enterprise will manage to do not only a step into the home of some embedded
device hackers and geeks, but this time much further, into big companies we
would never have dreamed of before.

nice greatings
       leviathan

I don't have any significant coding skills,
but I'm always willing to test

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[Esben Damgaard-3]

David Lanzendörfer skrev:
> Support for LDAP-calendars/contactlists/etc. needs to be implemented.
>  
I started the project Pisi, which has this implementation. You can see
it here:
https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/pisi/

You are welcome to join us :)

I have knowledge to make it integrate with an Exchange calendar, but
doesn't have the time to implement it yet (and don't have the need..).
Actually I think I'm the one making the least work..

But the point is: Check it out.

Regards
Esben Damgaard


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[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer-2]

Hi Alan,

> On a related point freesmartphone.org seems to be using the old hackish
> 3gpp ts07.10 user space code.

Correct, for systems which don't use premultiplexed drivers, we're
resorting to a userland muxer (not the gsm0710muxd though, but rather a
clean implementation based on other code). I'd love to see a kernel
muxer, really. While I don't think it makes a difference on GPRS, it
might improve system performance on EDGE or UMTS a lot.

> I've got almost all of a kernel driver only
> my AT+CMUX capable device has expired. Dunno if anyone is interested in
> finishing the job (its basically written but not at all debugged and I
> know the tx queueing needs work either to make it do all the priorities
> right or just forget the the whole priority nightmare)

I think it'd be great if you could upload your code somewhere.

> Alternatively does anyone know what cheaper EU devices support AT+CMUX,
> it seems quite rare this side of the pond

Do you no longer have an Openmoko device? If not, I could arrange to
ship you one -- it may have problems, but at least the GSM would work.

Best regards,

Mickey.




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