Re: Using OSGeo hosting platform for developingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM

[Bob Basques]

All,

I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
sidelines.  I have a question about the final intent of the product
though.  Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
implementation of a stack or ???

I think this question needs to have some clarification put to it,
especially with regard to naming.  Also, there might be more than one
final version of things depending on use, so some sort of naming
convention  might be useful as well.

Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier.  At least
based on the traffic I saw in the list leading up to Sydney.   On USB
for many OS's.  I'm also pondering if there might be a method that allow
for mixing the two, VM and USB(native OS based)

I have many business interests related to this, most recently emergency
management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as syncing
of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
available.

Just thought I would chime in here on these point.  I have a few other
too.

bobb



>>> Ricardo Pinho <[hidden email]> 10/31/09 3:31 AM >>>
Hi,


This question has crossed my mind quite a bit and I think we should come
up with an answer together:


“How to continue
using OSGeo hosting platform for developing Arramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
project?”
 
There are
many distinct tools and references on the internet for this project:
 
a)       Several
Wiki pages:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GISVM_Build
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Packages
 
b)       Svn
trunk:
https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/
 
c)       Trac
platform
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm
 
d)       Download
site:
http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/index.html
 
e)       Live-Demo
mailing list
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/
 
f)         Arramagong
site
http://www.arramagong.com
 
g)       GISVM
site
http://gisvm.com
 
 
So, how can
we organize it on a simple structure for simplicity and integration of
all
these?
 
I
understand that this is the result from joining several projects and
products.
But there are now too many names involved on this initiative. This
doesn’t help
the clarification for user and developer understanding.. Even I get
confused
about this and explaining it is even harder!
 
My opinion
is that we should start to agree on defining “one unique name” for the
process
of building the install script repository and the resulting Virtual
Machine
development build. Then there
could be several names for resulting products like: Arramagong, LiveDVD,
GISVM,
etc.
 
But this is
only a start-up suggestion, and I would appreciate others thoughts about
this…
 
Thank you,
Ricardo
Pinho


     
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[Ricardo Pinho]

Hi Bob,

> Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
> implementation of a stack or ???

It is intended to a wide range of implementations areas.
This is my opinion and a conclusion that I take from GISVM users feedback during the 1 year of GISVM lifetime.
 
I've tried to point out this during my FOSS4G 2009 presentation:
http://2009.foss4g.org/presentations/#presentation_176

The learning/teaching goal is the most obvious one. (workshops, tutorials...)
FOSS4G Demonstration is also obvious. Every software presenter/commercial/salesman I know uses VM's for their demonstrations.
Software Distribution is another inevitable goal (FOSS4G LiveDVD)
Cloud computing, can also be a success if well explored (Click2Try)
I use it everyday at my Job (Local Authority) as a GIS Workstation and Server solution.
You can also use it as a developers stack for beta-testing their apps...
etc


So, I think it doesn't have to do with the intention, but what is behind all of that.
That's how I have chosen the GISVM name. GIS and Virtualization!

For instance, Live-demo is also a good name, but it lacks Geospatial reference and it strictly indicates demo implementation.
We can eventually go for "FOSS4G VM", to link it to the FOSS4G conference... or "OSGeo VM", if OpenGeo guys don't mind...;-)

> Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
> that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier.

That's what I initially proposed to Cameron when he asked me for participating on the LiveDVD build.
As far as I understood, the problem was about funding associated to FOSS4G 2009. It only allowed DVD burning, not USB sticks!
On the technical point of view, it's identical, producing a LiveDVD or a LiveUSB.

Thank you for your opinion.

Cheers,
Ricardo Pinho
http://gisvm.com
 


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Assunto: Re: [Live-demo] Using OSGeo hosting platform for developingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM

All,

I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
sidelines.  I have a question about the final intent of the product
though.  Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
implementation of a stack or ???

I think this question needs to have some clarification put to it,
especially with regard to naming.  Also, there might be more than one
final version of things depending on use, so some sort of naming
convention  might be useful as well.

Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier.  At least
based on the traffic I saw in the list leading up to Sydney.   On USB
for many OS's.  I'm also pondering if there might be a method that allow
for mixing the two, VM and USB(native OS based)

I have many business interests related to this, most recently emergency
management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as syncing
of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
available.

Just thought I would chime in here on these point.  I have a few other
too.

bobb



>>> Ricardo Pinho <[hidden email]> 10/31/09 3:31 AM >>>
Hi,


This question has crossed my mind quite a bit and I think we should come
up with an answer together:


“How to continue
using OSGeo hosting platform for developing Arramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
project?”

There are
many distinct tools and references on the internet for this project:

a)       Several
Wiki pages:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GISVM_Build
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Packages

b)       Svn
trunk:
https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/

c)       Trac
platform
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm

d)       Download
site:
http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/index.html

e)       Live-Demo
mailing list
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/

f)         Arramagong
site
http://www.arramagong.com

g)       GISVM
site
http://gisvm.com


So, how can
we organize it on a simple structure for simplicity and integration of
all
these?

I
understand that this is the result from joining several projects and
products.
But there are now too many names involved on this initiative. This
doesn’t help
the clarification for user and developer understanding.. Even I get
confused
about this and explaining it is even harder!

My opinion
is that we should start to agree on defining “one unique name” for the
process
of building the install script repository and the resulting Virtual
Machine
development build. Then there
could be several names for resulting products like: Arramagong, LiveDVD,
GISVM,
etc.

But this is
only a start-up suggestion, and I would appreciate others thoughts about
this…

Thank you,
Ricardo
Pinho


   
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[Cameron Shorter]

Richardo, Bob,

You have some good ideas in these last few emails, in particular about
defining what our project has become, because we have become more than
just a Virtual Machine, or a distribution.

What we have created is an effective build process, which can be used to
distribute to multiple targets.

Yes, we should consolidate our project and bring all the components in
together.
Yes, we also should be setting up a timeline, which I think should align
with Ubuntu release cycles.
Yes, this is something I want to get involved in, but I have a backlog
of work for ~ 6 or so weeks before I'll restart my serious involvement
in the LiveDVD project again.

I think the next steps are to finish off the automation of the build
process, which was close to being finished, and start working out the
deployment processes for other targets. (Bob might be able to show us
how to build a USB distribution?)

Medium term, I'd like to see us engage with other communities - in
particular, the education community is one area I think we can add huge
value.

Ricardo Pinho wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
>  
>> Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
>> implementation of a stack or ???
>>    
>
> It is intended to a wide range of implementations areas.
> This is my opinion and a conclusion that I take from GISVM users feedback during the 1 year of GISVM lifetime.
>  
> I've tried to point out this during my FOSS4G 2009 presentation:
> http://2009.foss4g.org/presentations/#presentation_176
>
> The learning/teaching goal is the most obvious one. (workshops, tutorials...)
> FOSS4G Demonstration is also obvious. Every software presenter/commercial/salesman I know uses VM's for their demonstrations.
> Software Distribution is another inevitable goal (FOSS4G LiveDVD)
> Cloud computing, can also be a success if well explored (Click2Try)
> I use it everyday at my Job (Local Authority) as a GIS Workstation and Server solution.
> You can also use it as a developers stack for beta-testing their apps...
> etc
>
>
> So, I think it doesn't have to do with the intention, but what is behind all of that.
> That's how I have chosen the GISVM name. GIS and Virtualization!
>
> For instance, Live-demo is also a good name, but it lacks Geospatial reference and it strictly indicates demo implementation.
> We can eventually go for "FOSS4G VM", to link it to the FOSS4G conference... or "OSGeo VM", if OpenGeo guys don't mind...;-)
>
>  
>> Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
>> that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier.
>>    
>
> That's what I initially proposed to Cameron when he asked me for participating on the LiveDVD build.
> As far as I understood, the problem was about funding associated to FOSS4G 2009. It only allowed DVD burning, not USB sticks!
> On the technical point of view, it's identical, producing a LiveDVD or a LiveUSB.
>
> Thank you for your opinion.
>
> Cheers,
> Ricardo Pinho
> http://gisvm.com
>  
>
>
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> De: Bob Basques <[hidden email]>
> Para: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Enviadas: Sábado, 31 de Outubro de 2009 16:41:27
> Assunto: Re: [Live-demo] Using OSGeo hosting platform for developingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
>
> All,
>
> I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
> sidelines.  I have a question about the final intent of the product
> though.  Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
> implementation of a stack or ???
>
> I think this question needs to have some clarification put to it,
> especially with regard to naming.  Also, there might be more than one
> final version of things depending on use, so some sort of naming
> convention  might be useful as well.
>
> Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
> that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier.  At least
> based on the traffic I saw in the list leading up to Sydney.   On USB
> for many OS's.  I'm also pondering if there might be a method that allow
> for mixing the two, VM and USB(native OS based)
>
> I have many business interests related to this, most recently emergency
> management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as syncing
> of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
> available.
>
> Just thought I would chime in here on these point.  I have a few other
> too.
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>  
>>>> Ricardo Pinho <[hidden email]> 10/31/09 3:31 AM >>>
>>>>        
> Hi,
>
>
> This question has crossed my mind quite a bit and I think we should come
> up with an answer together:
>
>
> “How to continue
> using OSGeo hosting platform for developing Arramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
> project?”
>
> There are
> many distinct tools and references on the internet for this project:
>
> a)       Several
> Wiki pages:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GISVM_Build
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Packages
>
> b)       Svn
> trunk:
> https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/
>
> c)       Trac
> platform
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm
>
> d)       Download
> site:
> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/index.html
>
> e)       Live-Demo
> mailing list
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/
>
> f)         Arramagong
> site
> http://www.arramagong.com
>
> g)       GISVM
> site
> http://gisvm.com
>
>
> So, how can
> we organize it on a simple structure for simplicity and integration of
> all
> these?
>
> I
> understand that this is the result from joining several projects and
> products.
> But there are now too many names involved on this initiative. This
> doesn’t help
> the clarification for user and developer understanding.. Even I get
> confused
> about this and explaining it is even harder!
>
> My opinion
> is that we should start to agree on defining “one unique name” for the
> process
> of building the install script repository and the resulting Virtual
> Machine
> development build. Then there
> could be several names for resulting products like: Arramagong, LiveDVD,
> GISVM,
> etc.
>
> But this is
> only a start-up suggestion, and I would appreciate others thoughts about
> this…
>
> Thank you,
> Ricardo
> Pinho
>
>
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[hamish-2]

Ricardo:
> My opinion is that we should start to agree on defining “one
> unique name” for the process of building the install script
> repository and the resulting Virtual Machine development build.
> Then there could be several names for resulting products like:
> Arramagong, LiveDVD, GISVM, etc.

I don't have a problem coming up with a name for that process, but as far
as the overall project goes we should not limit or define ourselves by a
single build method.


The LiveDVD/Live-Demo is a meta-project intended to be a showcase for
OSGeo software. ie regardless of implementation, base OS, build method,
usage, sponsorship, conferences, etc.

Within that greater umbrella we have the opportunity to produce whatever
and as many products as we can find enough developers to create.

If there is any confusion it is best dealt with by improving the
documentation and communication. The primary table-of-contents page for
that is the Live_GIS_Disc wiki page.

"These are our goals, and this is how we achieve them."



regards,
Hamish




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[Gavin Treadgold]

Hi Bob,

This is exactly the reason I signed up to the list too.

I'm a board member for the Sahana Software Foundation, as our project  
Sahana (a free and open source emergency management information  
system) is a perfect candidate to be deployed on top of a geospatial  
stack. We have had some issues with users deploying our web app  
(currently php and mysql) and as we more tightly integrate things  
geospatial, we want to be able to provide a working distro with full  
geospatial stack as both a livedisc and VMs. On top of that, we may  
also go down the path of creating country or region specific  
distributions that are bundled with geospatial data suitable for  
emergency management. We support MapServer integration, have also been  
using GeoRSS to aggregate spatial data from other sources, are looking  
at using tilecache for caching maps tiles, and our main access to  
geospatial data is via OpenLayers. But we want to provide a single box  
installation that includes not only Sahana but also a full working  
FOSS mapping stack.

So, we are very interested in getting Sahana working on the livedisc,  
and if there is a commitment to maintain it and update it, I could  
certainly see us adopting it. In the meantime, we need first to tweak  
Sahana to install on Postgres ;)

I'd be interested to see if this is a use case you'd be willing to  
support us with, and likewise we may be able to get some of our  
(currently few) geospatial folks to help out in return.

Cheers Gavin

http://sahana.lk/ (this will have to do until we get our new  
Foundation website up)

PS would have loved to attended FOSS4G, but ended up going to the  
Crisis Mapping conference in Cleveland instead - a bit disappointing  
since I'm based in Christchurch, NZ, such a short flight away :)

On 2009-11-01, at 05:41 , Bob Basques wrote:

> I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
> sidelines.  I have a question about the final intent of the product
> though.  Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
> implementation of a stack or ???
>
> I have many business interests related to this, most recently  
> emergency
> management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as  
> syncing
> of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
> available.

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[Cameron Shorter]

Gavin,

I'm very excited by the potential of integrating Sahana and the LiveDVD.
This is exactly the sort of domain specific use case which I see as
being the next step for our packaging efforts.

I'd love to talk with you further about this. Can I call you on a
landline or skype or similar?

Gavin Treadgold wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> This is exactly the reason I signed up to the list too.
>
> I'm a board member for the Sahana Software Foundation, as our project
> Sahana (a free and open source emergency management information
> system) is a perfect candidate to be deployed on top of a geospatial
> stack. We have had some issues with users deploying our web app
> (currently php and mysql) and as we more tightly integrate things
> geospatial, we want to be able to provide a working distro with full
> geospatial stack as both a livedisc and VMs. On top of that, we may
> also go down the path of creating country or region specific
> distributions that are bundled with geospatial data suitable for
> emergency management. We support MapServer integration, have also been
> using GeoRSS to aggregate spatial data from other sources, are looking
> at using tilecache for caching maps tiles, and our main access to
> geospatial data is via OpenLayers. But we want to provide a single box
> installation that includes not only Sahana but also a full working
> FOSS mapping stack.
>
> So, we are very interested in getting Sahana working on the livedisc,
> and if there is a commitment to maintain it and update it, I could
> certainly see us adopting it. In the meantime, we need first to tweak
> Sahana to install on Postgres ;)
>
> I'd be interested to see if this is a use case you'd be willing to
> support us with, and likewise we may be able to get some of our
> (currently few) geospatial folks to help out in return.
>
> Cheers Gavin
>
> http://sahana.lk/ (this will have to do until we get our new
> Foundation website up)
>
> PS would have loved to attended FOSS4G, but ended up going to the
> Crisis Mapping conference in Cleveland instead - a bit disappointing
> since I'm based in Christchurch, NZ, such a short flight away :)
>
> On 2009-11-01, at 05:41 , Bob Basques wrote:
>> I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
>> sidelines.  I have a question about the final intent of the product
>> though.  Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
>> implementation of a stack or ???
>>
>> I have many business interests related to this, most recently emergency
>> management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as syncing
>> of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
>> available.
>
> _______________________________________________
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[Gavin Treadgold]

Sure - would love to connect, but I'm currently in the US for another  
3 weeks or so, and have quite intermittent net access until I return  
to NZ. Sometime later Nov would be a fair better time to connect.

Cheers Gav

On 2009-11-02, at 12:23 , Cameron Shorter wrote:

> Gavin,
>
> I'm very excited by the potential of integrating Sahana and the  
> LiveDVD. This is exactly the sort of domain specific use case which  
> I see as being the next step for our packaging efforts.
>
> I'd love to talk with you further about this. Can I call you on a  
> landline or skype or similar?
>
> Gavin Treadgold wrote:
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> This is exactly the reason I signed up to the list too.
>>
>> I'm a board member for the Sahana Software Foundation, as our  
>> project Sahana (a free and open source emergency management  
>> information system) is a perfect candidate to be deployed on top of  
>> a geospatial stack. We have had some issues with users deploying  
>> our web app (currently php and mysql) and as we more tightly  
>> integrate things geospatial, we want to be able to provide a  
>> working distro with full geospatial stack as both a livedisc and  
>> VMs. On top of that, we may also go down the path of creating  
>> country or region specific distributions that are bundled with  
>> geospatial data suitable for emergency management. We support  
>> MapServer integration, have also been using GeoRSS to aggregate  
>> spatial data from other sources, are looking at using tilecache for  
>> caching maps tiles, and our main access to geospatial data is via  
>> OpenLayers. But we want to provide a single box installation that  
>> includes not only Sahana but also a full working FOSS mapping stack.
>>
>> So, we are very interested in getting Sahana working on the  
>> livedisc, and if there is a commitment to maintain it and update  
>> it, I could certainly see us adopting it. In the meantime, we need  
>> first to tweak Sahana to install on Postgres ;)
>>
>> I'd be interested to see if this is a use case you'd be willing to  
>> support us with, and likewise we may be able to get some of our  
>> (currently few) geospatial folks to help out in return.
>>
>> Cheers Gavin
>>
>> http://sahana.lk/ (this will have to do until we get our new  
>> Foundation website up)
>>
>> PS would have loved to attended FOSS4G, but ended up going to the  
>> Crisis Mapping conference in Cleveland instead - a bit  
>> disappointing since I'm based in Christchurch, NZ, such a short  
>> flight away :)
>>
>> On 2009-11-01, at 05:41 , Bob Basques wrote:
>>> I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
>>> sidelines.  I have a question about the final intent of the product
>>> though.  Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
>>> implementation of a stack or ???
>>>
>>> I have many business interests related to this, most recently  
>>> emergency
>>> management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as  
>>> syncing
>>> of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
>>> available.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> Geospatial Solutions Manager
> Tel: [phone]
> Mob: [phone]
>
> Think Globally, Fix Locally
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[Ricardo Pinho]

Hamish,

I agree with you, when you say that this is a huge umbrella. ;-)
On my time live, I've learned that the best way to solve a big problem is to divide it in smaller problems. (and solve them one by one)

So, define a name for the Script repository is, in my opinion, the best way to start clarifying how we will keep working on this huge project.

I've just arrived from one more inspiring OSGeo event, the Portuguese Local Chapter meeting:
http://evora.sigaberto.org/?q=en/taxonomy/term/1

In the middle of one brainstorm talks with some of these friends, an idea came up for a name.

All of you know about OSGEO4W, right?!
http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/

And what if we follow that example and call our script repository build (now for Live DVD / GISVM) :

OSGEO4U = OSGEO for Ubuntu

It is a great name, independent and follow a line already defined.

What do you think of that?

Cheers,
Ricardo Pinho


PS..
Hamish,
I am so sorry that you couldn't come to Sydney.
I was looking for meet you there.
Maybe at Barcelona!



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De: Hamish <[hidden email]>
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Enviadas: Domingo, 1 de Novembro de 2009 15:14:41
Assunto: Re: [Live-demo] Using OSGeo hosting platform for developingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM

Ricardo:
> My opinion is that we should start to agree on defining “one
> unique name” for the process of building the install script
> repository and the resulting Virtual Machine development build.
> Then there could be several names for resulting products like:
> Arramagong, LiveDVD, GISVM, etc.

I don't have a problem coming up with a name for that process, but as far
as the overall project goes we should not limit or define ourselves by a
single build method.


The LiveDVD/Live-Demo is a meta-project intended to be a showcase for
OSGeo software. ie regardless of implementation, base OS, build method,
usage, sponsorship, conferences, etc.

Within that greater umbrella we have the opportunity to produce whatever
and as many products as we can find enough developers to create.

If there is any confusion it is best dealt with by improving the
documentation and communication. The primary table-of-contents page for
that is the Live_GIS_Disc wiki page.

"These are our goals, and this is how we achieve them."



regards,
Hamish




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[Cameron Shorter-2]

Ricardo Pinho wrote:
> OSGEO4U = OSGEO for Ubuntu
>
> It is a great name, independent and follow a line already defined.
>
> What do you think of that?
>  

I think our building process is bigger than just an Ubuntu distribution
builder, it can be used to build a Debian distribution too. But more,
I'm expecting to apply this same formula to building documentation and
tutorials, which might not be tied to any operating system. We could
build a html based windows distribution of docs.
Hence the idea of picking the "Arramagong" name which does not constrain
our project from growing by defining what the project is. (Note we have
grown beyond "LiveDVD" and "GISVM" because we can provide both those
formats, and very soon will likely release on a USB stick too.)

Also, there are already ubuntugis and debiangis projects, which have
claimed the association with Ubuntu.

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