Re: Sharepoint vs. Plone
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Nate Aune
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Idea to create whitepaper from Plone and Sharepoint stories. See
http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/plone-vs-sharepoint > A great idea Nate! Just to point out to those that mgiht not have seen it > yet, my blog post from Internet World: > > http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/5/1/plone-at-internet-world-expo Yes, great post! > I had a couple of people come by the stand and look at the brochure, and > when I approched them they said 'oh we use microsfot technology...' or 'oh > we are going to use sharepoint'. I think the key is to really show users > that Plone vs Sharepoint is like Apples vs Oranges. They really are > different beasts. I normally start by telling people that they can co-exist > together and really serve slightly different functions. The people I > showed demos to of Plone at the expo really were blown away by the > flexibility of Plone and what can be achieve with it. Yes, it's not fair to compare the two systems because they are fundamentally targeting different use cases, but one cannot deny that Plone's feature set overlaps a lot with what Sharepoint provides, and vice versa. > I think they biggest thing to get over, is as Karl says in his Blog post, > that in corporate-land deploying Sharepoint comes under a central IT budget. > Even if the costs are higher (which is another topic... people think it is > 'free') the end department that wants it is rarely the one that pays for it. Good point. I came across this SaaS cost savings calculator which might be useful for getting a good overview of what traditional "on-premise" software from the likes of Microsoft, Lotus, etc. costs an organization depending on how many users they have. http://www.phase2.com/savings/ Nate p.s. cc'ing the evangelism list since others might want to join in on this conversation. -- Nate Aune - [hidden email] Sign up for Plone Developer training on the Amalfi Coast of Italy (5/11-12). http://plonedev-natesig.eventbrite.com _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism |
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Traci Blount
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All,
I just joined the list a few days ago and I've learned so much already! I was wondering if there had been some similar work comparing Plone to Oracle Portal in a similar manner? If so, could someone point me to some resources? Thanks! Traci Blount NC Department of Public Instruction [hidden email] >>> Nate Aune <[hidden email]> 05/04/09 8:32 PM >>> Idea to create whitepaper from Plone and Sharepoint stories. See http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/plone-vs-sharepoint > A great idea Nate! Just to point out to those that mgiht not have seen it > yet, my blog post from Internet World: > > http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/5/1/plone-at-internet-world-expo Yes, great post! > I had a couple of people come by the stand and look at the brochure, and > when I approched them they said 'oh we use microsfot technology...' or 'oh > we are going to use sharepoint'. I think the key is to really show users > that Plone vs Sharepoint is like Apples vs Oranges. They really are > different beasts. I normally start by telling people that they can co-exist > together and really serve slightly different functions. The people I > showed demos to of Plone at the expo really were blown away by the > flexibility of Plone and what can be achieve with it. Yes, it's not fair to compare the two systems because they are fundamentally targeting different use cases, but one cannot deny that Plone's feature set overlaps a lot with what Sharepoint provides, and vice versa. > I think they biggest thing to get over, is as Karl says in his Blog post, > that in corporate-land deploying Sharepoint comes under a central IT budget. > Even if the costs are higher (which is another topic... people think it is > 'free') the end department that wants it is rarely the one that pays for it. Good point. I came across this SaaS cost savings calculator which might be useful for getting a good overview of what traditional "on-premise" software from the likes of Microsoft, Lotus, etc. costs an organization depending on how many users they have. http://www.phase2.com/savings/ Nate p.s. cc'ing the evangelism list since others might want to join in on this conversation. -- Nate Aune - [hidden email] Sign up for Plone Developer training on the Amalfi Coast of Italy (5/11-12). http://plonedev-natesig.eventbrite.com _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism "All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement." _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism |
Ross Patterson-2
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by Nate Aune
I had the pleasure of meeting with Carles Guell from Barcelona while he
was in San Francisco recently. First things first, I'd like to invite him to the Plone evangelism list and to invite the marketing team to make good use of him. :) He expressed interest in improving the marketing story or Plone. Specifically he found the he often lacked the kind of marketing or business oriented whitepapers and demos he needs to compete with other CMS's. He also had some good ideas about improving Plone's presence in the media. He also mentioned his company could put some time into improving these stories. Being more of a developer than a marketer, I'm not necessarily the best to comment but I do know I'd love to see his interest help Plone out. Welcome Carles! Ross Nate Aune <[hidden email]> writes: > Idea to create whitepaper from Plone and Sharepoint stories. See > http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/plone-vs-sharepoint > >> A great idea Nate! Just to point out to those that mgiht not have seen it >> yet, my blog post from Internet World: >> >> http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/5/1/plone-at-internet-world-expo > > Yes, great post! > >> I had a couple of people come by the stand and look at the brochure, and >> when I approched them they said 'oh we use microsfot technology...' or 'oh >> we are going to use sharepoint'. I think the key is to really show users >> that Plone vs Sharepoint is like Apples vs Oranges. They really are >> different beasts. I normally start by telling people that they can co-exist >> together and really serve slightly different functions. The people I >> showed demos to of Plone at the expo really were blown away by the >> flexibility of Plone and what can be achieve with it. > > Yes, it's not fair to compare the two systems because they are > fundamentally targeting different use cases, but one cannot deny that > Plone's feature set overlaps a lot with what Sharepoint provides, and > vice versa. > >> I think they biggest thing to get over, is as Karl says in his Blog post, >> that in corporate-land deploying Sharepoint comes under a central IT budget. >> Even if the costs are higher (which is another topic... people think it is >> 'free') the end department that wants it is rarely the one that pays for it. > > Good point. I came across this SaaS cost savings calculator which > might be useful for getting a good overview of what traditional > "on-premise" software from the likes of Microsoft, Lotus, etc. costs > an organization depending on how many users they have. > http://www.phase2.com/savings/ > > Nate > > p.s. cc'ing the evangelism list since others might want to join in on > this conversation. _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism |
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Matt Hamilton
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by Nate Aune
On 5 May 2009, at 01:32, Nate Aune wrote: >> I had a couple of people come by the stand and look at the >> brochure, and >> when I approched them they said 'oh we use microsfot technology...' >> or 'oh >> we are going to use sharepoint'. I think the key is to really show >> users >> that Plone vs Sharepoint is like Apples vs Oranges. They really are >> different beasts. I normally start by telling people that they can >> co-exist >> together and really serve slightly different functions. The >> people I >> showed demos to of Plone at the expo really were blown away by the >> flexibility of Plone and what can be achieve with it. > > Yes, it's not fair to compare the two systems because they are > fundamentally targeting different use cases, but one cannot deny that > Plone's feature set overlaps a lot with what Sharepoint provides, and > vice versa. The thing being that in many cases, whilst they target different use cases, I think that Plone *is* a better fit than sharepoint at many things people install sharepoint to do. -Matt -- Matt Hamilton [hidden email] Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Understand. Develop. Deliver http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 Web Design | Zope/Plone Development & Consulting | Co-location | Hosting _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism |
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Nate Aune
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by Traci Blount
-- Nate Aune - [hidden email] http://www.jazkarta.com Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2009, at 3:09 AM, "Traci Blount" <[hidden email]> wrote: > All, > > I just joined the list a few days ago and I've learned so much > already! I was wondering if there had been some similar work > comparing Plone to Oracle Portal in a similar manner? If so, could > someone point me to some resources? I don't know of anything comparing Plone and Oracle Portal, but if you evaluate the two systems, we'd love to hear your feedback! Nate > > > Thanks! > Traci Blount > > NC Department of Public Instruction > [hidden email] > > > >>>> Nate Aune <[hidden email]> 05/04/09 8:32 PM >>> > Idea to create whitepaper from Plone and Sharepoint stories. See > http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/plone-vs-sharepoint > >> A great idea Nate! Just to point out to those that mgiht not have >> seen it >> yet, my blog post from Internet World: >> >> http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/5/1/plone-at-internet-world-expo > > Yes, great post! > >> I had a couple of people come by the stand and look at the >> brochure, and >> when I approched them they said 'oh we use microsfot technology...' >> or 'oh >> we are going to use sharepoint'. I think the key is to really show >> users >> that Plone vs Sharepoint is like Apples vs Oranges. They really are >> different beasts. I normally start by telling people that they can >> co-exist >> together and really serve slightly different functions. The >> people I >> showed demos to of Plone at the expo really were blown away by the >> flexibility of Plone and what can be achieve with it. > > Yes, it's not fair to compare the two systems because they are > fundamentally targeting different use cases, but one cannot deny that > Plone's feature set overlaps a lot with what Sharepoint provides, and > vice versa. > >> I think they biggest thing to get over, is as Karl says in his Blog >> post, >> that in corporate-land deploying Sharepoint comes under a central >> IT budget. >> Even if the costs are higher (which is another topic... people >> think it is >> 'free') the end department that wants it is rarely the one that >> pays for it. > > Good point. I came across this SaaS cost savings calculator which > might be useful for getting a good overview of what traditional > "on-premise" software from the likes of Microsoft, Lotus, etc. costs > an organization depending on how many users they have. > http://www.phase2.com/savings/ > > Nate > > p.s. cc'ing the evangelism list since others might want to join in on > this conversation. > > -- > Nate Aune - [hidden email] > Sign up for Plone Developer training on the Amalfi Coast of Italy > (5/11-12). > http://plonedev-natesig.eventbrite.com > > _______________________________________________ > Evangelism mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > > "All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in > monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law > enforcement." > > _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism |
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ctxlken
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Boy, it's been years since I did Oracle demos, but unless things have
changed dramatically, here goes... Oracle Portal - does not 'do' content management. Does not empower business users to author content, leverage workflow, compare diffs of content changes, etc. as you're used to with Plone. Oracle Portal is a 'framework' for building things. It'll do very little out of the box, but provides the plumbing to insert portlets (create a dashboard of them) that are provided by an organizations other huge commercial app vendors. For instance, your company's MRP application (SAP, Oracle, JD Edwards) probably has a JSR-168 compliant (blah, blah, blah) portlet that will show a user who has the rights to see inventory levels of a given product you manufacture. There is certainly a portlet from Siebel (CRM) that provides a view into the company sales pipeline, etc., etc. Each other big app provides portlets, or you use your team of Java and PL/SQL developers to create your own and you assemble a dashboard to present the proper info to the proper user/department. Oracle also purchased a commercial CMS vendor named Stellent a while back. Oracle's CMS story used to be that 'you can leverage the Java and PL/SQL expertise that your IT already has to build a custom CMS on top of our portal framework that is customized to your needs.' We won't even get into the fact that you need to have about 8 services running for Oracle portal to be alive and provide a response for your web requests - it's a behemoth! Now Stellent is another story. This is a truly 'enterprise' CMS that in theory can handle 'write-once-publish-anywhere' type functionality, so you can author content via the CMS and have it published on your website or in print form. Incoming content is also more 'enterprisy', with hooks into huge OCR scanning systems and 'DAM' (Digital Asset Management) tools that allow one to manage all media, modify it via a browser (not just resize and rotate as with Plone), etc. If Plone is up against Oracle Portal only, you should be able to blow it away with what Plone does out of the box, unless this truly is a shop that loves to develop custom widgets using their in-house Java and PL/SQL expertise. If the competition is Stellent, then cost and ease-of-use is your biggest advantage. Stellent is quite powerful, but there are so many different places to go (because of stitching together the DAM, workflow, and other features over the years from other systems) that it can be confusing and isn't nearly as simple as Plone's authoring/editing and its Site Setup area. By the way, the Stellent sales team (if you are up against it) will point out that their CMS can transform incoming or outgoing to/from just about any proprietary format (Quark Express, heck, probably even FileMaker Pro, etc.), and this is true - Stellent is probably the best CMS out there for this, but that is a microcosm of what an org will use a CMS for typically, so try to keep things to 'Web' Content Management and away from off-line desktop publishing and Plone will do well. I hope this helps! Ken Wasetis [hidden email] Nate Aune (via Nabble) wrote: > > > -- > Nate Aune - natea@... > <http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2832513&i=0> re > http://www.jazkarta.com > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2009, at 3:09 AM, "Traci Blount" <tblount@... > <http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2832513&i=1>> > wrote: > > > All, > > > > I just joined the list a few days ago and I've learned so much > > already! I was wondering if there had been some similar work > > comparing Plone to Oracle Portal in a similar manner? If so, could > > someone point me to some resources? > > I don't know of anything comparing Plone and Oracle Portal, but if you > evaluate the two systems, we'd love to hear your feedback! > > Nate > > > > > > > Thanks! > > Traci Blount > > > > NC Department of Public Instruction > > tblount@... > <http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2832513&i=2> > > > > > > > >>>> Nate Aune <natea@... > <http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2832513&i=3>> > 05/04/09 8:32 PM >>> > > Idea to create whitepaper from Plone and Sharepoint stories. See > > http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/plone-vs-sharepoint > > > >> A great idea Nate! Just to point out to those that mgiht not have > >> seen it > >> yet, my blog post from Internet World: > >> > >> http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/5/1/plone-at-internet-world-expo > > > > Yes, great post! > > > >> I had a couple of people come by the stand and look at the > >> brochure, and > >> when I approched them they said 'oh we use microsfot technology...' > >> or 'oh > >> we are going to use sharepoint'. I think the key is to really show > >> users > >> that Plone vs Sharepoint is like Apples vs Oranges. They really are > >> different beasts. I normally start by telling people that they can > >> co-exist > >> together and really serve slightly different functions. The > >> people I > >> showed demos to of Plone at the expo really were blown away by the > >> flexibility of Plone and what can be achieve with it. > > > > Yes, it's not fair to compare the two systems because they are > > fundamentally targeting different use cases, but one cannot deny that > > Plone's feature set overlaps a lot with what Sharepoint provides, and > > vice versa. > > > >> I think they biggest thing to get over, is as Karl says in his Blog > >> post, > >> that in corporate-land deploying Sharepoint comes under a central > >> IT budget. > >> Even if the costs are higher (which is another topic... people > >> think it is > >> 'free') the end department that wants it is rarely the one that > >> pays for it. > > > > Good point. I came across this SaaS cost savings calculator which > > might be useful for getting a good overview of what traditional > > "on-premise" software from the likes of Microsoft, Lotus, etc. costs > > an organization depending on how many users they have. > > http://www.phase2.com/savings/ > > > > Nate > > > > p.s. cc'ing the evangelism list since others might want to join in on > > this conversation. > > > > -- > > Nate Aune - natea@... > <http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2832513&i=4> > > Sign up for Plone Developer training on the Amalfi Coast of Italy > > (5/11-12). > > http://plonedev-natesig.eventbrite.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Evangelism mailing list > > Evangelism@... > <http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2832513&i=5> > > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > > > > "All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in > > monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law > > enforcement." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism@... > <http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=2832513&i=6> > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > View message @ > http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-Sharepoint-vs.-Plone-tp2790345p2832513.html > To start a new topic under Evangelism, email > [hidden email] > To unsubscribe from Evangelism, click here > <<Link Removed>>. > > |
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