Re: Preferences improvements

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Re: Preferences improvements

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:01 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Audacity-devel] Preferences improvements WAS: Re:
> Beta_Feedback
>
>
> | From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]> Sun, 25 Oct 2009
> | 23:37:05 -0700
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Beta_Feedback
> > After release of "stable" I propose to make the prefs panel user
> > resizable (restrained only by valid screen size) and the keyboard
> > panel columns automatically size themselves (I have the code
> > completely finished) just like the mouse prefs panel is. This will
> > resolve most if not all such issues.
>
> Do you want to do some sort of write up of your proposals here:
> http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Preferences_Improvements
>

[[Ed--]]
I can try, I just looked at it and, after logging in, looked at the editing
language (I'm not too excited about learning a new language <grin>). I also
have doubts about the traffic on that page -- I am concerned that no one
will spend enough time there to generate a real discussion.

> [Obviously the "redesign" mentioned there in response to the previous
> overflow problem has already been addressed.]
>
[[Ed--]]
I read that entire thread. I would not say that the problem was "fixed".
Post-release of 2.0 I will see if I can generate some enthusiasm for a
"design committee" to discuss improvements to Preferences.

> Was the French user somehow managing to drag the dialog beyond 800px?
> And the use case is that the dialogue is simply too small at very large
> resolutions?
>
[[Ed--]]
Running Audacity under a debugger causes the "Assert" to trigger. There are
many of these "Assert"s in Audacity which test for out of bounds conditions.
Sometimes these tests are artificially too restrictive. This seems to be the
case here. WxWidgets automatically generates the panel at a size which is
appropriate based on the size of the entries (in this case wider than 800
pixels). We then look and see if the panel is "too large" for some fixed
pixel definition which does not take into consideration the user's screen
size or resolution. When a wxWidgets Assert triggers it looks very like a
program crash. Until I single step through the code after the Assert
displayed, I assumed that some problem had caused Audacity to crash. Every
single time I have hit one of these Asserts I could go back and comment that
line out and run the program just fine.

> I'd be interested in trying the code for the keyboard panel columns if it
gets
> rid of that horizontal scrollbar on Windows (which you tend not to get on
> Linux because of smaller screen resolution/larger
> fonts). Does the fix prevent "Key combination" being truncated?
>
[[Ed--]]
It does indeed get rid of the horizontal scrollbar and does prevent the
truncation. It also allows the user to size the panel (within reason based
on the user's screen size and resolution). I wrote this code a few weeks ago
and to melded into the current CVS HEAD will require some careful attention.
Given that this is certainly not going to be released pre-2.0, it may be a
few days before I create a patch that you may play with.

>
>
> Gale
>
>
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:53 PM
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Beta_Feedback
> > >
> > >
> > > | From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]> To
> > > | <[hidden email]>
> > > | Subject [Audacity-devel] Beta_Feedback
> > > > Is it possible that the recent commit to fr.po caused this:
> > > >
> > > > Update of /cvsroot/audacity/htdocs/locale In directory
> > > > 23jxhf1.ch3.sourceforge.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7665
> > > >
> > > > Modified Files:
> > > > fr.po
> > > > Log Message:
> > > > Updated web site translation from Olivier Humbert
> > >
> > > No, that is the translation for the web site, not the .po file for the
> > software.
> > > See below.
> > >
> > >
> > > | From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]>
> > > | Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:52:08 -0700
> > > | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Beta_Feedback
> > > > Note that the problem is with width. Note that the Audacity "system
> > > > informations" is printed in French.
> > > >
> > > > I carefully went through both (after having just downloaded the

current
> > > CVS
> > > > head):
> > > > audacity\src\prefs\PrefsDialog.cpp
> > > > audacity\src\prefs\KeyConfigPrefs.cpp
> > > > To ensure that none of the things I have played with recently were
> > > > inadvertently committed -- they were not.
> > > >
> > > > Recently Gale made some changes to the text. I think that this
dialogue
> > > > initially sizes itself based on the width of the longest text
string;
> > could
> > > > this be a translation issue?
> > >
> > > If the problem is specific to running Audacity in French, using the
.mo

> > > file compiled from fr.po, then no, because my string changes have not
> > > yet had a French translation committed.
> > >
> > > Using a Unicode Release build from CVS a few days ago on Ubuntu 9.04
> > > (so using the current fr.po file) the longer text seems to wrap round
> > > correctly. The preferences dialogue could in fact still be expanded a
> > > little horizontally to the full 800px width.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > If possible, I would like to have the reporter comment out that line

so
> > that
> > > > the dialog will open without entering the debugger, then, send me a
> > > > screenshot of the mouse panel, key binding panel and the directories
> > > panel.
> > > >
> > > > Je parle un peut de Francais. (But my spelling and grammar are
> > atrocious.)
> > >
> > > Ed, I've sent you the e-mail address of the person privately, so feel
free

> > to
> > > contact them off-list for more information (but don't overdo it if he
> > > isn't keen to go to a lot of trouble). :=)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:28 AM
> > > > > To: Laurent Epinat
> > > > > Cc: [hidden email];
> [hidden email]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Beta_Feedback
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you, I have forwarded this message to our developers'
> > > > > mailing list.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gale
> > > > > Audacity Team
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > | From Laurent Epinat
> > > > > | Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:34:26 +0200
> > > > > | Subject: Beta_Feedback
> > > > > > Just for information, I recompile the beta 1.3.9 version on

AMD64
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and I have an assert when I open the preference dialog box at
the

> > > > > > src/prefs/PrefsDialog.cpp line 136 :
> > > > > > wxASSERT_MSG(sz.x <= 800 && sz.y <= 600, wxT("Preferences
> dialog
> > > > > > exceeds max size"));
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I add trace on the size and my dialog had
> > > > > > sz.x=857 sz.y=382
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My screen resolution is 1920x1200
> > > > > > I you need more information ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Congratulation for the really good software
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here the system informations
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Informations système
> > > > > > Support de format de fichier
> > > > > > libmad (Importation de MP3) Activé
> > > > > > libvorbis (Import et Export Ogg Vorbis ) Activé
> > > > > > libid3tag (support des tag ID3) Activé
> > > > > > libflac (Import et Export FLAC) Activé
> > > > > > libtwolame (export MP2) Désactivé
> > > > > > QuickTime (Importer depuis QuickTime) Désactivé
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Librairies
> > > > > > libresample
> > > > > > (Conversion de fréquence d'échantillonnage) Activé PortAudio
> > (Lecture
> > > > > > et enregistrement audio)
> > > > > > v19
> > > > > > wxWidgets 2.8.10
> > > > > > (Unicode)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fonctions
> > > > > > Nyquist (Support de modules (plugins))

Activé
> > > > > > LADSPA (Support de modules (plugins))
Activé
> > > > > > Vamp (Support de modules (plugins))
Activé

> > > > > > Audio Units (Support de modules (plugins)) Désactivé
> > > > > > PortMixer (Support du mixage de la carte son) Activé
> > > > > > SoundTouch (Support du changement de hauteur et de tempo)
> > > > > Désactivé
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Informations système
> > > > > > Date de création du programme : Oct 18 2009
> > > > > > Type de version : Debug build
> > > > > > Préfixe d'intallation /usr/local/
> > > > > > Répertoire des réglages : /home/laurent/.audacity-data
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Preferences improvements

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| From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]>
| Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:33:59 -0700
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Preferences improvements

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:01 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Audacity-devel] Preferences improvements WAS: Re:
> > Beta_Feedback
> > | From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]> Sun, 25 Oct 2009
> > | 23:37:05 -0700
> > | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Beta_Feedback
> > > After release of "stable" I propose to make the prefs panel user
> > > resizable (restrained only by valid screen size) and the keyboard
> > > panel columns automatically size themselves (I have the code
> > > completely finished) just like the mouse prefs panel is. This will
> > > resolve most if not all such issues.
> >
> > Do you want to do some sort of write up of your proposals here:
> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Preferences_Improvements
> >
> [[Ed--]]
> I can try, I just looked at it and, after logging in, looked at the editing
> language (I'm not too excited about learning a new language <grin>). I also
> have doubts about the traffic on that page -- I am concerned that no one
> will spend enough time there to generate a real discussion.

The main point about the page is that it's somewhere you can flesh out
ideas, add images etc. without imposing heavily on the list. Just add a
link to the page in an e-mail to the list. You could also start a thread
in the "Adding Features" Forum and link to that Wiki page, in case
you get some user feedback about your ideas.

You may get some further input about the Keyboard pane. That could
still be further improvable beyond fixing the seek bug and making the
columns sort. For example, is it obvious enough you have to click or
tab into that input box to edit a shortcut, especially if you select a
command that has no current key combination?

> > [Obviously the "redesign" mentioned there in response to the previous
> > overflow problem has already been addressed.]
> >
> [[Ed--]]
> I read that entire thread. I would not say that the problem was "fixed".
> Post-release of 2.0 I will see if I can generate some enthusiasm for a
> "design committee" to discuss improvements to Preferences.

Again people may be more enthusiastic if your ideas are presented on the
Wiki.

Thanks

Gale

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Re: Preferences improvements

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:43 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Preferences improvements
>
>
> | From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]> Tue, 27 Oct 2009
> | 12:33:59 -0700
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Preferences improvements
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gale Andrews [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:01 PM
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: [Audacity-devel] Preferences improvements WAS: Re:
> > > Beta_Feedback
> > > | From "Ed Musgrove" <[hidden email]> Sun, 25 Oct
> 2009
> > > | 23:37:05 -0700
> > > | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Beta_Feedback
> > > > After release of "stable" I propose to make the prefs panel user
> > > > resizable (restrained only by valid screen size) and the keyboard
> > > > panel columns automatically size themselves (I have the code
> > > > completely finished) just like the mouse prefs panel is. This will
> > > > resolve most if not all such issues.
> > >
> > > Do you want to do some sort of write up of your proposals here:
> > >
> http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Preferences_Improvement
> > > s
> > >
> > [[Ed--]]
> > I can try, I just looked at it and, after logging in, looked at the
> > editing language (I'm not too excited about learning a new language
> > <grin>). I also have doubts about the traffic on that page -- I am
> > concerned that no one will spend enough time there to generate a real
> discussion.
>
> The main point about the page is that it's somewhere you can flesh out

ideas,
> add images etc. without imposing heavily on the list. Just add a link to
the
> page in an e-mail to the list. You could also start a thread in the
"Adding
> Features" Forum and link to that Wiki page, in case you get some user
> feedback about your ideas.
>
[ Ed-- ]
I think we are very close on the marching/cascading windows. I think what I
have now is ready to commit for the nightly build. The other problem I am
inspecting is the maximum number of open project Windows bug. That should
not take more than a few days to get a clue about what is going on. After
that, I will take some time away from the code and work on a presentation
for wiki. I will also start the thread in the "Adding Features" forum.

> You may get some further input about the Keyboard pane. That could still
be
> further improvable beyond fixing the seek bug and making the columns sort.
> For example, is it obvious enough you have to click or tab into that input
box
> to edit a shortcut, especially if you select a command that has no current
key
> combination?
>
[ Ed-- ]
I have only looked very briefly at the other panes of the preferences panel.
As I recall, I only saw one little tiny item that might be "improved".

>
> > > [Obviously the "redesign" mentioned there in response to the
> > > previous overflow problem has already been addressed.]
> > >
> > [[Ed--]]
> > I read that entire thread. I would not say that the problem was "fixed".
> > Post-release of 2.0 I will see if I can generate some enthusiasm for a
> > "design committee" to discuss improvements to Preferences.
>
> Again people may be more enthusiastic if your ideas are presented on the
> Wiki.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>
>
>