Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Should old Project Steering Committee members be put out to pasture?

[Markus Neteler-2]

Hi GRASS-PSC,

this discussion could become relevant also for us...

Markus

On 7/17/07, Daniel Morissette <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Cameron Shorter wrote:
> >
> > Should the developer step down from the Project Steering Committee?
> > Should the developer be offered a new title - "Project's Honoured
> > Grandfather" or similar?
> >
> > What do other OSGeo projects do with their old guard?
> >
>
>
> FYI here is what MapServer's PSC Guidelines says about PSC members who
> stop being active:
>
> ---------------------------
> Stepping Down
>
> If for any reason a PSC member is not able to fully participate then
> they certainly are free to step down. If a member is not active (e.g. no
> voting, no IRC or email participation) for a period of two months then
> the committee reserves the right to seek nominations to fill that position.
>
> Should that person become active again (hey, it happens) then they would
> certainly be welcome, but would require a nomination.
> ---------------------------
>
> Note that we've had PSC members go quiet for a little while but have
> never had to force replacing anyone yet. I think we'd use that rule only
> in extreme situations where the non-participating members become a
> problem for the PSC's normal operations.
>
> Daniel
> --
> Daniel Morissette
> http://www.mapgears.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

[Helena Mitasova]

On Jul 17, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:

> Hi GRASS-PSC,
>
> this discussion could become relevant also for us...
>
> Markus

I was looking at it too - given the way how GRASS development functions
two months inactive period that Mapserver is using is way too short  
for us
but having a similar provision for members who may even forget that they
are PSC members would be useful, maybe for 1 year or 6 months  
inactivity?

Helena

>
> On 7/17/07, Daniel Morissette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> >
>> > Should the developer step down from the Project Steering Committee?
>> > Should the developer be offered a new title - "Project's Honoured
>> > Grandfather" or similar?
>> >
>> > What do other OSGeo projects do with their old guard?
>> >
>>
>>
>> FYI here is what MapServer's PSC Guidelines says about PSC members  
>> who
>> stop being active:
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> Stepping Down
>>
>> If for any reason a PSC member is not able to fully participate then
>> they certainly are free to step down. If a member is not active  
>> (e.g. no
>> voting, no IRC or email participation) for a period of two months  
>> then
>> the committee reserves the right to seek nominations to fill that  
>> position.
>>
>> Should that person become active again (hey, it happens) then they  
>> would
>> certainly be welcome, but would require a nomination.
>> ---------------------------
>>
>> Note that we've had PSC members go quiet for a little while but have
>> never had to force replacing anyone yet. I think we'd use that  
>> rule only
>> in extreme situations where the non-participating members become a
>> problem for the PSC's normal operations.
>>
>> Daniel
>> --
>> Daniel Morissette
>> http://www.mapgears.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass-psc mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc

[Dylan Beaudette-2]

Hi,

6 months seems like a good amount of time. Given that we have a large number
of voters, we should be able reach a quorum with 1 or 2 inactive members.

Cheers,

Dylan


On Tuesday 17 July 2007 07:59, Helena Mitasova wrote:

> On Jul 17, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
> > Hi GRASS-PSC,
> >
> > this discussion could become relevant also for us...
> >
> > Markus
>
> I was looking at it too - given the way how GRASS development functions
> two months inactive period that Mapserver is using is way too short
> for us
> but having a similar provision for members who may even forget that they
> are PSC members would be useful, maybe for 1 year or 6 months
> inactivity?
>
> Helena
>
> > On 7/17/07, Daniel Morissette <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Cameron Shorter wrote:
> >> > Should the developer step down from the Project Steering Committee?
> >> > Should the developer be offered a new title - "Project's Honoured
> >> > Grandfather" or similar?
> >> >
> >> > What do other OSGeo projects do with their old guard?
> >>
> >> FYI here is what MapServer's PSC Guidelines says about PSC members
> >> who
> >> stop being active:
> >>
> >> ---------------------------
> >> Stepping Down
> >>
> >> If for any reason a PSC member is not able to fully participate then
> >> they certainly are free to step down. If a member is not active
> >> (e.g. no
> >> voting, no IRC or email participation) for a period of two months
> >> then
> >> the committee reserves the right to seek nominations to fill that
> >> position.
> >>
> >> Should that person become active again (hey, it happens) then they
> >> would
> >> certainly be welcome, but would require a nomination.
> >> ---------------------------
> >>
> >> Note that we've had PSC members go quiet for a little while but have
> >> never had to force replacing anyone yet. I think we'd use that
> >> rule only
> >> in extreme situations where the non-participating members become a
> >> problem for the PSC's normal operations.
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >> --
> >> Daniel Morissette
> >> http://www.mapgears.com/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> [hidden email]
> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > grass-psc mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass-psc mailing list
> [hidden email]
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[Scott Mitchell-3]

Agreed, as long as it follows the "the PSC reserves the right to seek  
nominations to replace ..." logic (emphasis on the "reserves the  
right") - after all, it's not like we're going to start  
systematically tracking everyone's contributions and have multiple  
clocks running, but having a policy to deal with a disappeared member  
makes sense.

Scott

On 17 Jul 2007, at 12:21, Dylan Beaudette wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 6 months seems like a good amount of time. Given that we have a  
> large number
> of voters, we should be able reach a quorum with 1 or 2 inactive  
> members.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dylan
>
>
> On Tuesday 17 July 2007 07:59, Helena Mitasova wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
>>> Hi GRASS-PSC,
>>>
>>> this discussion could become relevant also for us...
>>>
>>> Markus
>>
>> I was looking at it too - given the way how GRASS development  
>> functions
>> two months inactive period that Mapserver is using is way too short
>> for us
>> but having a similar provision for members who may even forget  
>> that they
>> are PSC members would be useful, maybe for 1 year or 6 months
>> inactivity?
>>
>> Helena
>>
>>> On 7/17/07, Daniel Morissette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>> Should the developer step down from the Project Steering  
>>>>> Committee?
>>>>> Should the developer be offered a new title - "Project's Honoured
>>>>> Grandfather" or similar?
>>>>>
>>>>> What do other OSGeo projects do with their old guard?
>>>>
>>>> FYI here is what MapServer's PSC Guidelines says about PSC members
>>>> who
>>>> stop being active:
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>> Stepping Down
>>>>
>>>> If for any reason a PSC member is not able to fully participate  
>>>> then
>>>> they certainly are free to step down. If a member is not active
>>>> (e.g. no
>>>> voting, no IRC or email participation) for a period of two months
>>>> then
>>>> the committee reserves the right to seek nominations to fill that
>>>> position.
>>>>
>>>> Should that person become active again (hey, it happens) then they
>>>> would
>>>> certainly be welcome, but would require a nomination.
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Note that we've had PSC members go quiet for a little while but  
>>>> have
>>>> never had to force replacing anyone yet. I think we'd use that
>>>> rule only
>>>> in extreme situations where the non-participating members become a
>>>> problem for the PSC's normal operations.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel Morissette
>>>> http://www.mapgears.com/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> grass-psc mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grass-psc mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
>
>
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[Brad Douglas]

Also, I agree.  But we should choose some nominal time period to use as
a guide.

On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 14:24 -0400, Scott Mitchell wrote:

> Agreed, as long as it follows the "the PSC reserves the right to seek  
> nominations to replace ..." logic (emphasis on the "reserves the  
> right") - after all, it's not like we're going to start  
> systematically tracking everyone's contributions and have multiple  
> clocks running, but having a policy to deal with a disappeared member  
> makes sense.
>
> Scott
>
> On 17 Jul 2007, at 12:21, Dylan Beaudette wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > 6 months seems like a good amount of time. Given that we have a  
> > large number
> > of voters, we should be able reach a quorum with 1 or 2 inactive  
> > members.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dylan
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday 17 July 2007 07:59, Helena Mitasova wrote:
> >> On Jul 17, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
> >>> Hi GRASS-PSC,
> >>>
> >>> this discussion could become relevant also for us...
> >>>
> >>> Markus

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[HamishB]

Helena wrote:
> I was looking at it too - given the way how GRASS development  
> functions two months inactive period that Mapserver is using is way
> too short for us but having a similar provision for members who may
> even forget that they are PSC members would be useful, maybe for 1
> year or 6 months inactivity?

Personally I'm not too worried about sleepers. Or at least I don't want
to put much effort into worrying about the issue until it becomes a
problem, ie when we start to have a hard time finding a majority of
PSCers sending in a vote. (ie we can't find more than 1/2 of us to vote
one way or another, not just >1/2 voting)
What is a quorum for us? 2/3rds total or >1/2 voting one way?
(todo for RFC3)

As for time periords, we are a quiet list so perhaps: "to stay active
you should have registered a vote in the last 10 calls for votes, or the
last year, whichever is longer.". And not worry about getting into
kicking folks off until it is obvious we need to bring new people in.



2c
Hamish

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Fully agree,
the PSC role for GRASS is quite limited, and not too dense of tasks (do
we have any irc meeting fixed?)
probably as Helena proposed 6 months or 1 year sounds better for our
project.

Maxi

Helena Mitasova wrote:

>
> On Jul 17, 2007, at 10:53 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
>
>> Hi GRASS-PSC,
>>
>> this discussion could become relevant also for us...
>>
>> Markus
>
> I was looking at it too - given the way how GRASS development functions
> two months inactive period that Mapserver is using is way too short
> for us
> but having a similar provision for members who may even forget that they
> are PSC members would be useful, maybe for 1 year or 6 months inactivity?
>
> Helena
>>
>> On 7/17/07, Daniel Morissette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Should the developer step down from the Project Steering Committee?
>>> > Should the developer be offered a new title - "Project's Honoured
>>> > Grandfather" or similar?
>>> >
>>> > What do other OSGeo projects do with their old guard?
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI here is what MapServer's PSC Guidelines says about PSC members who
>>> stop being active:
>>>
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Stepping Down
>>>
>>> If for any reason a PSC member is not able to fully participate then
>>> they certainly are free to step down. If a member is not active
>>> (e.g. no
>>> voting, no IRC or email participation) for a period of two months then
>>> the committee reserves the right to seek nominations to fill that
>>> position.
>>>
>>> Should that person become active again (hey, it happens) then they
>>> would
>>> certainly be welcome, but would require a nomination.
>>> ---------------------------
>>>
>>> Note that we've had PSC members go quiet for a little while but have
>>> never had to force replacing anyone yet. I think we'd use that rule
>>> only
>>> in extreme situations where the non-participating members become a
>>> problem for the PSC's normal operations.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>> --
>>> Daniel Morissette
>>> http://www.mapgears.com/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> grass-psc mailing list
>> [hidden email]
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>
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[Michael Barton]

Just back from vacation and starting to go through the mountain of emails.
Something along this line sounds good to me.

Michael


On 7/17/07 10:24 PM, "Hamish" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Helena wrote:
>> I was looking at it too - given the way how GRASS development
>> functions two months inactive period that Mapserver is using is way
>> too short for us but having a similar provision for members who may
>> even forget that they are PSC members would be useful, maybe for 1
>> year or 6 months inactivity?
>
> Personally I'm not too worried about sleepers. Or at least I don't want
> to put much effort into worrying about the issue until it becomes a
> problem, ie when we start to have a hard time finding a majority of
> PSCers sending in a vote. (ie we can't find more than 1/2 of us to vote
> one way or another, not just >1/2 voting)
> What is a quorum for us? 2/3rds total or >1/2 voting one way?
> (todo for RFC3)
>
> As for time periords, we are a quiet list so perhaps: "to stay active
> you should have registered a vote in the last 10 calls for votes, or the
> last year, whichever is longer.". And not worry about getting into
> kicking folks off until it is obvious we need to bring new people in.
>
>
>
> 2c
> Hamish
>
> _______________________________________________
> grass-psc mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc

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