Re: [GRASS-user] Re: [GRASS-dev] call for volunteers - urgent need for Windows Vista binaries

[Colin Nielsen]

I should have looked harder before I hit "Send", I just found Marco's
instructions on creating the standalone installer.
<http://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/branches/develbranch_6/mswindows>

If modified to the osgeo4w tree, new native installers should be
relatively easy to create. The wingrass team seems to be a little
divided right now (native, mingw/msys, osgeo4w, cygwin, not to mention
lots of different user & developer wiki pages saying different
things), is there a consensus on where to take wingrass? (I should
note that I'm relatively new to the scene and therefore may be missing
longer-term trends and discussions.)

-Colin

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Colin Nielsen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Michael,
> I have just tried r.patch, v.patch and v.what.rast on the new
> grass-6.4.svn release in osgeo4w (built on XP I assume), and haven't
> had any problems with any of them. So perhaps these issues have been
> solved.
>
> Maybe I'm missing it somewhere in the many wiki pages, but is there a
> complete list of vista related issues for me/others to test?
> http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/WinGRASS_Current_Status#Vista seems not to
> have been updated recently.
>
> My two cents: I agree that an standalone installer is vastly
> preferable to the osgeo4w format for the majority of windows users. I
> have heard that Marco is not able to continue to supply these
> installers, but did he document the steps required to create
> installers somewhere? With the osgeo4w installer allowing for quick
> compiles of new grass versions, there should be no reason why these
> can't be continued.
>
> -Colin
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Michael Barton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thanks Markus,
>>
>> This will make the information more accessible.
>>
>> Michale
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Michael Barton <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Moritz,
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad to see that this is possible at least, though it is by no means
>>>> obvious. I will try to find a place to archive this information as I will
>>>> be
>>>> again doing a lab course later this spring. The fact that critical
>>>> information for creating a stand-alone package is buried in a blog is
>>>> problematic--though I know that all are very pressed for time.
>>>
>>> easy to solve: I have added it here:
>>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-grass
>>> -> Lab Installation as offline set of packages
>>>
>>> It would not harm of course to move the relevant into to that trac
>>> page rather thank linking around.
>>>
>>> Markus
>>
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[Michael Barton]

Native, stand alone installer for GRASS should be a high priority. I  
guess we need both an XP and Vista version.

Michael

On Mar 30, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Colin Nielsen wrote:

> I should have looked harder before I hit "Send", I just found Marco's
> instructions on creating the standalone installer.
> <http://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/branches/develbranch_6/mswindows 
> >
>
> If modified to the osgeo4w tree, new native installers should be
> relatively easy to create. The wingrass team seems to be a little
> divided right now (native, mingw/msys, osgeo4w, cygwin, not to mention
> lots of different user & developer wiki pages saying different
> things), is there a consensus on where to take wingrass? (I should
> note that I'm relatively new to the scene and therefore may be missing
> longer-term trends and discussions.)
>
> -Colin
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Colin Nielsen <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>> Michael,
>> I have just tried r.patch, v.patch and v.what.rast on the new
>> grass-6.4.svn release in osgeo4w (built on XP I assume), and haven't
>> had any problems with any of them. So perhaps these issues have been
>> solved.
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing it somewhere in the many wiki pages, but is there a
>> complete list of vista related issues for me/others to test?
>> http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/WinGRASS_Current_Status#Vista seems not  
>> to
>> have been updated recently.
>>
>> My two cents: I agree that an standalone installer is vastly
>> preferable to the osgeo4w format for the majority of windows users. I
>> have heard that Marco is not able to continue to supply these
>> installers, but did he document the steps required to create
>> installers somewhere? With the osgeo4w installer allowing for quick
>> compiles of new grass versions, there should be no reason why these
>> can't be continued.
>>
>> -Colin
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Michael Barton <[hidden email]
>> > wrote:
>>> Thanks Markus,
>>>
>>> This will make the information more accessible.
>>>
>>> Michale
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Michael Barton <[hidden email]
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Moritz,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad to see that this is possible at least, though it is by  
>>>>> no means
>>>>> obvious. I will try to find a place to archive this information  
>>>>> as I will
>>>>> be
>>>>> again doing a lab course later this spring. The fact that critical
>>>>> information for creating a stand-alone package is buried in a  
>>>>> blog is
>>>>> problematic--though I know that all are very pressed for time.
>>>>
>>>> easy to solve: I have added it here:
>>>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-grass
>>>> -> Lab Installation as offline set of packages
>>>>
>>>> It would not harm of course to move the relevant into to that trac
>>>> page rather thank linking around.
>>>>
>>>> Markus
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
>>>
>>

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[Helena Mitasova]

Colin,

Marco's installer has been a great success here (both on Vista and XP)
and students greatly appreciate
also the msys console that gives them lot of convenient linux tools.
So if you could rebuild the installer with GRASS64 it would be  
greatly appreciated.

thanks a lot for your work,

Helena

P.S. the only issue (minor) that I had was that he re-named the  
nc_spm data set to
NORTH-CAROLINA causing some confusion because the name is
different from the one used in the GRASSbook and we also have North
Carolina in other coordinate systems (nc_ll and nc_spf). But that is  
just cosmetics.

On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Colin Nielsen wrote:

> I should have looked harder before I hit "Send", I just found Marco's
> instructions on creating the standalone installer.
> <http://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass/branches/develbranch_6/ 
> mswindows>
>
> If modified to the osgeo4w tree, new native installers should be
> relatively easy to create. The wingrass team seems to be a little
> divided right now (native, mingw/msys, osgeo4w, cygwin, not to mention
> lots of different user & developer wiki pages saying different
> things), is there a consensus on where to take wingrass? (I should
> note that I'm relatively new to the scene and therefore may be missing
> longer-term trends and discussions.)
>
> -Colin
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Colin Nielsen  
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Michael,
>> I have just tried r.patch, v.patch and v.what.rast on the new
>> grass-6.4.svn release in osgeo4w (built on XP I assume), and haven't
>> had any problems with any of them. So perhaps these issues have been
>> solved.
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing it somewhere in the many wiki pages, but is there a
>> complete list of vista related issues for me/others to test?
>> http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/WinGRASS_Current_Status#Vista seems  
>> not to
>> have been updated recently.
>>
>> My two cents: I agree that an standalone installer is vastly
>> preferable to the osgeo4w format for the majority of windows users. I
>> have heard that Marco is not able to continue to supply these
>> installers, but did he document the steps required to create
>> installers somewhere? With the osgeo4w installer allowing for quick
>> compiles of new grass versions, there should be no reason why these
>> can't be continued.
>>
>> -Colin
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Michael Barton  
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Thanks Markus,
>>>
>>> This will make the information more accessible.
>>>
>>> Michale
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Markus Neteler wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Michael Barton  
>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Moritz,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad to see that this is possible at least, though it is by  
>>>>> no means
>>>>> obvious. I will try to find a place to archive this information  
>>>>> as I will
>>>>> be
>>>>> again doing a lab course later this spring. The fact that critical
>>>>> information for creating a stand-alone package is buried in a  
>>>>> blog is
>>>>> problematic--though I know that all are very pressed for time.
>>>>
>>>> easy to solve: I have added it here:
>>>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/pkg-grass
>>>> -> Lab Installation as offline set of packages
>>>>
>>>> It would not harm of course to move the relevant into to that trac
>>>> page rather thank linking around.
>>>>
>>>> Markus
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
>>>
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[Colin Nielsen]

I'm working on the installer, I think I've almost got it. I'll post an
update in the next couple of days. I'm working on Vista, so that's
what I'll be packaging, but as long as the vista version doesn't cause
problems in xp (and as far as i know it doesn't) we shouldn't need two
windows packages.

-Colin

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Martin Landa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2009/3/31 Michael Barton <[hidden email]>:
>> Native, stand alone installer for GRASS should be a high priority. I guess
>> we need both an XP and Vista version.
>
> personally I have no problem with osgeo4w installer. Ideally should be
> mentained both - standalone and osgeo4w - if we have enough manpower.
> If no, I would incline to osgeo4w.
>
> 1CZK
>
> M.
>
> --
> Martin Landa <landa.martin gmail.com> * http://gama.fsv.cvut.cz/~landa
>

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[Michael Barton]

That would be excellent.

With some interface tweaking, I have nothing inherently against the  
osgeo4w installer, but a stand alone along the lines of what you are  
preparing will be a big help in a number of cases, especially in  
universities and other large institutions where we are trying to get  
people to consider open source.

It may even get people to try the osgeo4w installer for the other apps  
if it is successful.

Michael
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On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Colin Nielsen wrote:

> I'm working on the installer, I think I've almost got it. I'll post an
> update in the next couple of days. I'm working on Vista, so that's
> what I'll be packaging, but as long as the vista version doesn't cause
> problems in xp (and as far as i know it doesn't) we shouldn't need two
> windows packages.
>
> -Colin
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Martin Landa  
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2009/3/31 Michael Barton <[hidden email]>:
>>> Native, stand alone installer for GRASS should be a high priority.  
>>> I guess
>>> we need both an XP and Vista version.
>>
>> personally I have no problem with osgeo4w installer. Ideally should  
>> be
>> mentained both - standalone and osgeo4w - if we have enough manpower.
>> If no, I would incline to osgeo4w.
>>
>> 1CZK
>>
>> M.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Landa <landa.martin gmail.com> * http://gama.fsv.cvut.cz/ 
>> ~landa
>>

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[Moritz Lennert]

On 31/03/09 06:58, Martin Landa wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/3/31 Michael Barton <[hidden email]>:
>> Native, stand alone installer for GRASS should be a high priority. I guess
>> we need both an XP and Vista version.
>
> personally I have no problem with osgeo4w installer. Ideally should be
> mentained both - standalone and osgeo4w - if we have enough manpower.
> If no, I would incline to osgeo4w.

I can only repeat that the two are not opposed, but that you can create
a standalone installer on the basis of osgeo4w:

http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/FAQ#HowdoIperformanofflineorcomputerlabinstall

AFAICT, you just need to create the .bat file mentioned in the QGIS blog
and you have a clickable installer.

Moritz
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