R, gras, qgis etc in gentoo?

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Sorry if this is too off-topic for this list.

I'm thinking on a new machine
and wonder if gentoo linux would make
difference for running R, grass, qgis...
Anyone out there has any experience with or has
information on this distribution
in which all packages have to be compiled?

Thanks!

Agus
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Hi Agus,

> Sorry if this is too off-topic for this list.

You might get more feedback about specifics
of software on various linux distributions
from the Freegis mailing list [1], as this
list deals specifically with issues relating to
GRASS-GIS interfaces to stats software, in particular R.

> I'm thinking on a new machine
> and wonder if gentoo linux would make
> difference for running R, grass, qgis...
> Anyone out there has any experience with or has
> information on this distribution
> in which all packages have to be compiled?

To briefly answer your query, I would make the following observations:

If your work entails monitoring system performance and how OS tuning
will influence processing speeds you might find that you have more
control over a system that is entirely installed from source, such as
Gentoo. However, if the objective is to do statistical analysis of
spatial data using FOSS, a distribution shouldn't make any difference -
you should expect (& hope) to reproduce the same results on all
operating systems.

My own personal experience is with Debian. All of the packages that
you identify are available through APT and many more. You can also
install all of them from source if required. I'm not advocating one
distribution over the other, the choice is down to your needs,
preference and experience.

I hope that this is of use to you in deciding on your distribution.

Best regards,

Daniel.


[1] http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.comp.gis.freegis


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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Daniel McInerney wrote:

> Hi Agus,
>
>>  Sorry if this is too off-topic for this list.
>
> You might get more feedback about specifics
> of software on various linux distributions
> from the Freegis mailing list [1], as this
> list deals specifically with issues relating to
> GRASS-GIS interfaces to stats software, in particular R.
>
>>  I'm thinking on a new machine
>>  and wonder if gentoo linux would make
>>  difference for running R, grass, qgis...
>>  Anyone out there has any experience with or has
>>  information on this distribution
>>  in which all packages have to be compiled?
>
> To briefly answer your query, I would make the following observations:
>
> If your work entails monitoring system performance and how OS tuning will
> influence processing speeds you might find that you have more control over a
> system that is entirely installed from source, such as Gentoo. However, if
> the objective is to do statistical analysis of spatial data using FOSS, a
> distribution shouldn't make any difference - you should expect (& hope) to
> reproduce the same results on all operating systems.

I think this sums things up well. As far as speed is concerned, you can
make R go faster by using a tuned BLAS, because most of the heavier
numerical code in R base will benefit from the tuning. For contributed
packages, mileage will vary, if they use the same BLAS as R base, they
will benefit too. So the differences are not at the distribution level
really, given the same hardware, OS kernel, and compile train.

>
> My own personal experience is with Debian. All of the packages that
> you identify are available through APT and many more. You can also install
> all of them from source if required. I'm not advocating one distribution over
> the other, the choice is down to your needs, preference and experience.
>

I feel that compiling as many of the key software components as you feel
necessary does help, because the build environment is (more or less) the
same. The more components one depends on, the more likely it is that some
should be compiled from source, say to keep all the bits using the same
GDAL, rather than depending on different versions. The real benefit of
access to source code is however being able to read it when necessary, to
see what is going on.

Roger

> I hope that this is of use to you in deciding on your distribution.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Daniel.
>
>
> [1] http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.comp.gis.freegis
>
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> University College Dublin,
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> Ireland
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