Python Developer Christchurch Meetup 1st Friday in April

[Tim Knapp]

[repost as my original post seems to have been *swallowed* by MailMan
somehow ;)]

Hi all,

I've just spoken to the management at Cii[1] and they have confirmed we
can have a regular 2-monthly Python developer meetup at their premises.
They provide a data projector for our use and specifically for
*presentation use* they can provide an internet connection (for those of
you who have apps/sites on remote servers.

So far I've pencilled in the following event for us:
Date: 04 April 2008
Time: 5:30pm-7pm (i.e. 1 hour for technical presentations (2x 30min
slots), and a 30min period afterwards to have some
pizza/drinks/socialise (if desired we can go across to the Bohemian[2]
afterwards for a beer and further socialising).

How does this sound to everyone? If possible, if you could reply to this
message and let me know that would be great (either to the list or me
personally is fine).

Also, if you have something you could present to the group that would be
cool too.

There would be no cost for the use of the premises just a gold coin
donation for the pizzas, drinks (at this stage non-alcoholic).

Thanks,
Tim

[1] http://www.cii.co.nz
[2] http://www.bohemian.co.nz/       

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[Tim Knapp]

On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 23:20 +1200, [hidden email] wrote:
> > How does this sound to everyone? If possible, if you could reply to this
> > message and let me know that would be great (either to the list or me
> > personally is fine).
> Friday probably wouldn't be my first choice for day of the week but
> I've added it to my diary. :-)

:)

I've mainly chosen this day as it coincides with some other python
developers who already meetup *around* this time. We've also already
held one informal event around this time and had a fairly good turnout.

Thanks,
Tim

>
> --Phil.

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[Marek Kuziel]

Hi guys,

I added the meetup to my calendar and looking forward to it! :)

Anyone already with a topic in mind to talk about at the meetup?

I would be quite interested to *find out* more about Repoze project
and also best practices for deployment of Python code (ie. eggs,
buildout)

If anyone would have an interest, I could *talk* about Django in
general, and/or new ways of signing-in to the sites without signing-up
first and how to do so using Django, which is something I currently
work on.

Cheers,
Marek

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Tim Knapp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 23:20 +1200, [hidden email] wrote:
>  > > How does this sound to everyone? If possible, if you could reply to this
>  > > message and let me know that would be great (either to the list or me
>  > > personally is fine).
>  > Friday probably wouldn't be my first choice for day of the week but
>  > I've added it to my diary. :-)
>
>  :)
>
>  I've mainly chosen this day as it coincides with some other python
>  developers who already meetup *around* this time. We've also already
>  held one informal event around this time and had a fairly good turnout.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Tim
>
>  >
>  > --Phil.

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[Tim Knapp]

Hi Danny et al (and cc-ing our NZZUG friends ;),

On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 17:42 +1300, Danny Adair wrote:

> (I'm CCing the list as I think this should be a public dicussion)
>
> Hi,
>
> Done - zope.nzpug.org is now pointing to the same IP address as
> nzzug.org (203.96.63.187). You still need to set up a VirtualHost.
> Anyone want "turbogears.nzpug.org"? Just kidding. Or am I.
>
> Forming NZPUG was certainly not meant to be a ZUG "takeover" (see
> nzzug email archives) but the latter does seem to be a subset or
> special interest group, Zope being an early (arguably) "killer app"
> and a Python introduction to many. The target group of "Python people
> in New Zealand" is (currently?) too underrepresented as to be thinking
> about splitting this up into such details imho. All Zope people are
> Python people. Did I mention Darryl Cousins had a great talk on eggs,
> zc.buildout and a Zope3 quick start at the last NZPUG meeting? Btw,
> thanks Darryl! A very pragmatic intro and preparation for his next
> talk, which will be more about Zope3 the framework.

Yeah, totally agree, hence my recommendation that we *join forces*. My
main motivation in trying to keep our 'SIG' alive is for the reasons
mentioned previously and I quote (for the benefit of those new to the
thread):
"""nice to have a Zope Special
Interest Group attached to the NZPUG as I really feel there's nothing in
the python world (and can't foresee anything catching up in the maturity
stakes) that comes close to Plone as a (Enterprise) Content Management
System so it would be nice to point NZ-based users, customers, vendors
at a local resource they could go to to find out info about Zope in NZ
and ask questions/etc."""

But also because NZZUG has been around for 4 years now and is listed as
one of the user group mailing lists on the plone site[1] as well as the
Zope site[2] so is already a well known NZ reference point in the
plone/zope communities.

I think, though, we're in agreeance that the SIG should live on so this
is just a couple of points to clarify where I'm coming from.

>
> At this stage, all my thoughts are around who wants a user group, why,
> and how can we grow. I want everyone to "take something home" from
> being part of NZPUG; learn, teach, recruit, find a job, network,
> socialize, have fun. You know there are hundreds and hundreds of
> potential members in Auckland alone. Their interests go from content
> management (like Plone) through the various web development
> frameworks, quick prototyping (sometimes for other languages) to shell
> script replacement and whatnot - plus there seem to be some actual
> Python _lanugage_ enthusiasts. Why should I join, why should I care,
> what are the benefits for me? Personally, I think monthly "geek
> meetings" with 10 people can be really nice, but there is so much more
> potential.
>
> I am convinced that there are a lot of wonderful things that we can do
> once we hit "critical mass".
> (don't just think venue/pizza/beer :-) think sponsoring guest
> speakers, think PyCon here, think business networks)

I really like this point and it gets my python juices flowing!!! As I
mentioned in a previous email, another focus point for the mid-term is
LinuxConf2010[3] (if all goes well with the Wellington vote) as I'd love
to see NZPUG represented there!
>
> At this stage we're bringing like-minded people together, but later
> everyone using the words Python and NZ in the same sentence should
> know where to go.
> Let's focus on one NZPUG with lots of people.

Go man go!
>
> By the way, the "Python Community" group on LinkedIn has hit 1,000
> members today. I should really start writing a Wiki page about this.

Nice.
>
> Regarding sponsors, Tim: How about you set up one special wiki page
> for them, with logo (linked to website) and listing exactly what they
> did/provided.

Ok, will do and I'll report back.
>
> Cheers,
> Danny

[1] http://plone.org/support/local-user-groups
[2] http://www.zope.org/Resources/UserGroups/
[3] http://nzoss.org.nz/news/2008/newletter-february-2008

>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Guy K. Kloss <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>         On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 2:59:21 pm Tim Knapp wrote:
>         > On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 12:46 +1300, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>         > > Hi Tim,
>         > >
>         > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 7:22:43 pm Tim Knapp wrote:
>         > > > Thanks for touching base with me about this (btw I've
>         copied in Paul
>         > > > Roe on this email as he and I initially setup the NZZUG
>         back in 2004 so
>         > > > anything in this thread relates to him too).
>         > >
>         > > please, take a look at this:
>         > >
>         > > http://nzpug.org/CategoryChristchurchMeetings
>         > >
>         > > If you set up a user "TimKnapp" (as a WikiWord just
>         shown), then you can
>         > > edit the pages linked from above yourself to your likings.
>         You've been
>         > > added to the WikiUserGroup with that user name already. To
>         populate the
>         > > initial few (template) pages, I've just copy/pasted your
>         mail's content
>         > > into them. Of course, you'd probably want to go over them
>         again to
>         > > complete the entry and change/add potentially missing or
>         inaccurate
>         > > information.
>         >
>         > Thanks, I've created a TimKnapp user but can't seem to
>         currently edit
>         > the Christchurch meetings stuff.
>        
>        
>         Ooops, had a bug in the ACL. Has been fixed!
>        
>         You can just go and edit the ChchMeeting pages, now. Also it
>         might be
>         convenient to customise your template to whatever is most
>         convenient for the
>         Chch meetings: http://nzpug.org/ChristchurchMeetingTemplate 
>        
>         > If all are in agreeance, I will advertise our meetup in
>         April as an
>         > NZPUG meetup, with links to the NZPUG website. Related to
>         this, CII said
>         > it would be nice if we could credit them somehow for
>         providing the venue
>         > for our meetings and I said I'd include them on a sponsors
>         page - would
>         > it be possible to instantiate one of these in the Wiki
>        
>        
>         We've got a page MeetingsAuckland/VadacomConferenceRoom for
>         our venue. Just go
>         ahead and set one up for your venue sponsor or other sponsors.
>         As long as the
>         site doesn't end up being an ad collection I don't see (I
>         assume if anybody
>         else, e. g. Danny, has got a prob with that, he/she will raise
>         their
>         word/characters soon ... ;-)) a problem to give credit where
>         credit is due
>         for these purposes.
>        
>         > and give me
>         > access :) (it might even be useful to have *full access* to
>         the wiki? If
>         > you trust me that is ;).
>        
>        
>         Well, you should have (almost) full access to most things.
>         Mostly only
>         some "core pages" have been restricted (as some templates,
>         etc.) so they
>         don't get messed up. Otherwise the wiki as set up is quite
>         unrestrictive. If
>         we should be running into problems with berserk editing, then
>         we may opt to
>         set up certain additional user groups for local chapters, etc.
>         But as long as
>         there's no problem we'll drop every new "participator" of the
>         local groups
>         into the WikiUserGroup to have access (also writable) to the
>         pages.
>        
>         After all: The wiki is meant to support active participation,
>         not show off who
>         belongs to a trustworthy elite, and who doesn't.
>        
>         > So far we've received sponsorship from
>         > O'Reilly, Apress, Packt Publishing, CII, and TheVirtual so
>         recognising
>         > them somehow would be nice.
>        
>        
>         True.
>        
>         Maybe also a book review list for the O'Reilly stuff would be
>         good there. This
>         way people could be pointed to the list, and whoever is
>         interested can leave
>         a note on the wiki ...
>        
>         > Also, as an aside, I've been working on upgrading the
>         existing NZZUG
>         > site and should have this completed soon - so if I can have
>         a
>         > nzpug.org-relative link to point this at (as well as its
>         existing
>         > nzzug.org URL) that would be helpful. Could be something
>         like
>         > zopesig.nzpug.org?
>        
>        
>         Danny?
>        
>         Besides that it may make sense to set up an InterWiki link to
>         more
>         conveniently link to nzzug.org site links without the need to
>         use the full
>         domain, etc. InterWiki is not to be taken too literally.
>         InterWiki links can
>         also point to all other kinds of sites addressable with a
>         specific URL (We've
>         used it in the past also to link to action item IDs in a
>         Mantis bug tracker).
>        
>         HTH,
>        
>         Guy
>        
>        
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[Tim Knapp]

Hi Marek,

.. and thanks for responding and prompting me/us to start organising
presentations for our first *regular* meetup :)

BTW to those on the other python-related lists, it might pay to also
subscribe to the nzpug[1] list as my recommendation/plans are to move
meeting discussions off of the NZZUG list and on to the NZPUG one as the
meetups are more specifically python in nature so fit the NZPUG topic
area more specifically.

On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 09:39 +1300, Marek Kuziel wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I added the meetup to my calendar and looking forward to it! :)
>
> Anyone already with a topic in mind to talk about at the meetup?
>
> I would be quite interested to *find out* more about Repoze project
> and also best practices for deployment of Python code (ie. eggs,
> buildout)

I can step up and give this talk :) I was hoping to start the ball
rolling at our inaugural meetup anyway and now you've given me something
to speel about :)

>
> If anyone would have an interest, I could *talk* about Django in
> general, and/or new ways of signing-in to the sites without signing-up
> first and how to do so using Django, which is something I currently
> work on.

+1 for this talk! I'll chuck you in the no. 2 slot if that's ok?

Thanks again!
Tim

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/nzpug?hl=en

>
> Cheers,
> Marek
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Tim Knapp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 23:20 +1200, [hidden email] wrote:
> >  > > How does this sound to everyone? If possible, if you could reply to this
> >  > > message and let me know that would be great (either to the list or me
> >  > > personally is fine).
> >  > Friday probably wouldn't be my first choice for day of the week but
> >  > I've added it to my diary. :-)
> >
> >  :)
> >
> >  I've mainly chosen this day as it coincides with some other python
> >  developers who already meetup *around* this time. We've also already
> >  held one informal event around this time and had a fairly good turnout.
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >  Tim
> >
> >  >
> >  > --Phil.
>

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