PyUG and short intro

[Guy K. Kloss-2]

Hi,

looking for a Python User Group in Auckland I've only been able to find NZZUG.
So I was wondering whether the topics for NZZUG are more exclusively focused
on Zope/Plone or equally on Python. I don't mind web site based
technologies :o), but prefer the more general exchange of knowledge on
Python. Particularly of interest to me are the matters of distributed &
parallel computing (also using Web Services through ZSI), Grid Computing,
scientific computing, binding to native languages (e. g. C/C++ <-> Python or
Java <-> Python bindings), embedded Python, etc.

As a short intro about myself, as I just hopped into my desired topic:

I'm German, have arrived on this nice piece of the planet last year for a PhD
in Computer Science. I've been working previously at the German Aerospace
Centre in Simulation and Software Technologies section on (distributed)
simulation integration and scientific/technical data management systems. In
my current research I'm applying Artificial Intelligence to come up with
enhanced Machine Vision (colour vision) systems for distributed real times
applications.

Off the soap box,

Guy

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Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building
Massey University, Auckland, Albany
Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre
voice: [phone] ext. 9585   fax: [phone]
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[Tim Knapp]

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Hello Guy,

and welcome to NZZUG and thanks for posting! (can get a bit lonely in here at times :-)

Well according to NZZUGs specified *aim* on nzzug.org: "Our aim is to promote the use and ongoing development of Zope, Plone and *Python* technologies in NZ". Further, I know that there is at least 1 other python (web) developer on the list who I might add (last I heard) isn't using Zope/Plone :-)

I'm personally looking forward to doing some python hacking on the OpenMoko/Neo1973[1] in the near future.

Thanks,
Tim

[1] http://www.openmoko.org

On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 16:06 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:

Hi,

looking for a Python User Group in Auckland I've only been able to find NZZUG. 
So I was wondering whether the topics for NZZUG are more exclusively focused 
on Zope/Plone or equally on Python. I don't mind web site based 
technologies :o), but prefer the more general exchange of knowledge on 
Python. Particularly of interest to me are the matters of distributed & 
parallel computing (also using Web Services through ZSI), Grid Computing, 
scientific computing, binding to native languages (e. g. C/C++ <-> Python or 
Java <-> Python bindings), embedded Python, etc.

As a short intro about myself, as I just hopped into my desired topic:

I'm German, have arrived on this nice piece of the planet last year for a PhD 
in Computer Science. I've been working previously at the German Aerospace 
Centre in Simulation and Software Technologies section on (distributed) 
simulation integration and scientific/technical data management systems. In 
my current research I'm applying Artificial Intelligence to come up with 
enhanced Machine Vision (colour vision) systems for distributed real times 
applications.

Off the soap box,

Guy

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[Tim Knapp]

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Doh, what I intended to write was 1 other *German* python (web) developer :-)

-Tim

On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 16:45 +1200, Tim Knapp wrote:

Hello Guy,

and welcome to NZZUG and thanks for posting! (can get a bit lonely in here at times :-)

Well according to NZZUGs specified *aim* on nzzug.org: "Our aim is to promote the use and ongoing development of Zope, Plone and *Python* technologies in NZ". Further, I know that there is at least 1 other python (web) developer on the list who I might add (last I heard) isn't using Zope/Plone :-)

I'm personally looking forward to doing some python hacking on the OpenMoko/Neo1973[1] in the near future.

Thanks,
Tim

[1] http://www.openmoko.org

On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 16:06 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:

Hi,

looking for a Python User Group in Auckland I've only been able to find NZZUG. 
So I was wondering whether the topics for NZZUG are more exclusively focused 
on Zope/Plone or equally on Python. I don't mind web site based 
technologies :o), but prefer the more general exchange of knowledge on 
Python. Particularly of interest to me are the matters of distributed & 
parallel computing (also using Web Services through ZSI), Grid Computing, 
scientific computing, binding to native languages (e. g. C/C++ <-> Python or 
Java <-> Python bindings), embedded Python, etc.

As a short intro about myself, as I just hopped into my desired topic:

I'm German, have arrived on this nice piece of the planet last year for a PhD 
in Computer Science. I've been working previously at the German Aerospace 
Centre in Simulation and Software Technologies section on (distributed) 
simulation integration and scientific/technical data management systems. In 
my current research I'm applying Artificial Intelligence to come up with 
enhanced Machine Vision (colour vision) systems for distributed real times 
applications.

Off the soap box,

Guy

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[Danny Adair-2]

And there he is :-)
I actually said hello to Guy only a few days ago, through LinkedIn -
http://wiki.python.org/moin/LinkedInPythonIndividuals

I do not know of any Python User Group in Auckland.
There are, of course, lots of people in Auckland _using_ Python but
the language enthusiasts seem to not have organized themselves yet.

So what do you reckon, shall we just start one?
I'm serious.

Cheers,
Danny

On 9/10/07, Tim Knapp <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>  Doh, what I intended to write was 1 other *German* python (web) developer
> :-)
>
>  -Tim
>
>
>  On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 16:45 +1200, Tim Knapp wrote:
>
>  Hello Guy,
>
>  and welcome to NZZUG and thanks for posting! (can get a bit lonely in here
> at times :-)
>
>  Well according to NZZUGs specified *aim* on nzzug.org: "Our aim is to
> promote the use and ongoing development of Zope, Plone and *Python*
> technologies in NZ". Further, I know that there is at least 1 other python
> (web) developer on the list who I might add (last I heard) isn't using
> Zope/Plone :-)
>
>  I'm personally looking forward to doing some python hacking on the
> OpenMoko/Neo1973[1] in the near future.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Tim
>
>  [1] http://www.openmoko.org
>
>  On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 16:06 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>  Hi,
>
> looking for a Python User Group in Auckland I've only been able to find
> NZZUG.
> So I was wondering whether the topics for NZZUG are more exclusively focused
> on Zope/Plone or equally on Python. I don't mind web site based
> technologies :o), but prefer the more general exchange of knowledge on
> Python. Particularly of interest to me are the matters of distributed &
> parallel computing (also using Web Services through ZSI), Grid Computing,
> scientific computing, binding to native languages (e. g. C/C++ <-> Python or
> Java <-> Python bindings), embedded Python, etc.
>
> As a short intro about myself, as I just hopped into my desired topic:
>
> I'm German, have arrived on this nice piece of the planet last year for a
> PhD
> in Computer Science. I've been working previously at the German Aerospace
> Centre in Simulation and Software Technologies section on (distributed)
> simulation integration and scientific/technical data management systems. In
> my current research I'm applying Artificial Intelligence to come up with
> enhanced Machine Vision (colour vision) systems for distributed real times
> applications.
>
> Off the soap box,
>
> Guy
>
>
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[Guy K. Kloss-2]

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:13:30 am Danny Adair wrote:
> I do not know of any Python User Group in Auckland.
> There are, of course, lots of people in Auckland _using_ Python but
> the language enthusiasts seem to not have organized themselves yet.
>
> So what do you reckon, shall we just start one?
> I'm serious.

I'd be all for it!

Just need to network into the people around. I guess this mailing list is a
good start. Here at uni (Massey at least) I'm still more of a missionary, and
getting people more slowly towards it, so there's not yet much of a user
base, at least not from the perspective I can overlook currently at
CompSci ...

Anyone else into it?

Guy

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Te Kura Putaiao o Mohiohio me Pangarau
Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building
Massey University, Auckland, Albany
Private Bag 102 904, North Shore Mail Centre
voice: [phone] ext. 9585   fax: [phone]
eMail: [hidden email]  http://iims.massey.ac.nz
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[Darryl Dixon - Winterhouse Consulting-2]

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On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 08:17 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:13:30 am Danny Adair wrote:
> I do not know of any Python User Group in Auckland.
> There are, of course, lots of people in Auckland _using_ Python but
> the language enthusiasts seem to not have organized themselves yet.
>
> So what do you reckon, shall we just start one?
> I'm serious.

I'd be all for it!

Just need to network into the people around. I guess this mailing list is a 
good start. Here at uni (Massey at least) I'm still more of a missionary, and 
getting people more slowly towards it, so there's not yet much of a user 
base, at least not from the perspective I can overlook currently at 
CompSci ...

Anyone else into it?

Guy

Count me in for an NZPUG.  I can supply server resources etc if necessary.

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[Tim Knapp]

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I'd be keen too :-)

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 09:37 +1200, Darryl Dixon wrote:

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 08:17 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:13:30 am Danny Adair wrote:
> I do not know of any Python User Group in Auckland.
> There are, of course, lots of people in Auckland _using_ Python but
> the language enthusiasts seem to not have organized themselves yet.
>
> So what do you reckon, shall we just start one?
> I'm serious.

I'd be all for it!

Just need to network into the people around. I guess this mailing list is a 
good start. Here at uni (Massey at least) I'm still more of a missionary, and 
getting people more slowly towards it, so there's not yet much of a user 
base, at least not from the perspective I can overlook currently at 
CompSci ...

Anyone else into it?

Guy

Count me in for an NZPUG.  I can supply server resources etc if necessary.

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Winterhouse Consulting Ltd
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[Tim Knapp]

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Hello again,

Was just having a conversation offlist and thought I'd better add my 2c before we startup another splinter user group. Before I get to the point (excuse the verbage :-), I've *just* got back from Taiwan where amongst other things I gave a presentation[1] at the Taipei Open Source Software User Group (TOSSUG), which was jointly supported by the Python Taiwan User Group. As you can see from the link, the presentation was focused on Plone and we discussed how can we promote Plone in Taiwan in order to get more buyin from the Government/NGO/Commercial sectors. One concern they mentioned is that there aren't enough Plone/Zope developers in Taiwan to support such a UG. So it was decided that they use the *already existent* python user group as a basis to promote Zope/Plone.

I thought we could also learn something from this recommendation and instead of starting another python user group, lets use our *already existent* Zope/Plone/Python user group to promote python in NZ. Further, I'm sure all the Plone/Zope developers on the list would just as equally be interested in discussing all things python as they would all things Zope/Plon-ish - at least this is what I've experienced when attending previous meetups organised via this list.

We could also adjust the frontpage of the nzzug.org site to reflect this all encompassing aim of the UG more clearly.

As I said, just my 2c.

Thanks and regards,
Tim

[1] http://wiki.python.org.tw/Pot/Events/2007/Plone

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 08:17 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:13:30 am Danny Adair wrote:
> I do not know of any Python User Group in Auckland.
> There are, of course, lots of people in Auckland _using_ Python but
> the language enthusiasts seem to not have organized themselves yet.
>
> So what do you reckon, shall we just start one?
> I'm serious.

I'd be all for it!

Just need to network into the people around. I guess this mailing list is a 
good start. Here at uni (Massey at least) I'm still more of a missionary, and 
getting people more slowly towards it, so there's not yet much of a user 
base, at least not from the perspective I can overlook currently at 
CompSci ...

Anyone else into it?

Guy

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[Guy K. Kloss-2]

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:28:17 pm Tim Knapp wrote:
> lets use our *already
> existent* Zope/Plone/Python user group to promote python in NZ. Further,
> I'm sure all the Plone/Zope developers on the list would just as equally
> be interested in discussing all things python as they would all things
> Zope/Plon-ish - at least this is what I've experienced when attending
> previous meetups organised via this list.
>
> We could also adjust the frontpage of the nzzug.org site to reflect this
> all encompassing aim of the UG more clearly.

Well, this is actually why I have signed up to this mailing list also.
Although to me the integration of Zope/Plone under the roof of Python sounds
more natural than the other way.

Therefore I'd second the suggestion, and if the web page could be updated to
reflect that case by adding PyZealand to the labels of Zope/Plone that would
decrease the fear of "being in the wrong place". Maybe even an additional
domain PyZealand.org.nz (or whatsoever, I just like the name ... ;) ) with a
common web presence for the two would be beneficial in promoting this idea
that in fact it's just one group, but with multiple interest groups or
focuses (or is that "foci"?).

The least thing a small country like NZ needs is too much fragmentation on an
already small user base!

Guy

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[Paul Roe - TheVirtual Limited]

On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 16:45 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:28:17 pm Tim Knapp wrote:
> > lets use our *already
> > existent* Zope/Plone/Python user group to promote python in NZ. Further,
> > I'm sure all the Plone/Zope developers on the list would just as equally
> > be interested in discussing all things python as they would all things
> > Zope/Plon-ish - at least this is what I've experienced when attending
> > previous meetups organised via this list.
> >
> > We could also adjust the frontpage of the nzzug.org site to reflect this
> > all encompassing aim of the UG more clearly.
>
> Well, this is actually why I have signed up to this mailing list also.
> Although to me the integration of Zope/Plone under the roof of Python sounds
> more natural than the other way.
>

Yep its a bit backwards.

> Therefore I'd second the suggestion, and if the web page could be updated to
> reflect that case by adding PyZealand to the labels of Zope/Plone that would
> decrease the fear of "being in the wrong place".
Have done a quick update, if anyone has any other suggestions
improvements for the text I'm happy to change it.

>  Maybe even an additional
> domain PyZealand.org.nz (or whatsoever, I just like the name ... ;) ) with a
Sounds good, if someone registers it and points it at the server I'm
happy to add it to the virtual hosts.

> common web presence for the two would be beneficial in promoting this idea
> that in fact it's just one group, but with multiple interest groups or
> focuses (or is that "foci"?).
>
> The least thing a small country like NZ needs is too much fragmentation on an
> already small user base!
>
Yep for sure. The list is hardly busy.

Paul

PS. the archives are working again


> Guy
>
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[Guy K. Kloss-2]

Paul,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:03:21 pm Paul Roe - TheVirtual Limited wrote:
> Have done a quick update, if anyone has any other suggestions
> improvements for the text I'm happy to change it.

Maybe to change the interesting spelling of my name? ;o)

> Sounds good, if someone registers it and points it at the server I'm
> happy to add it to the virtual hosts.

I think python.org.nz is also still available. May be the better domain, even
though the name is different.

Guy


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Room 2.63, Quad Block A Building
Massey University, Auckland, Albany
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[Danny Adair-2]

Thanks Paul,

*cough*

From http://www.nzzug.org/
"PyZealand suggested by Guy K. Kock"

I think his last name is Kloss :-)

Cheers,
Danny

On 9/12/07, Paul Roe - TheVirtual Limited <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 16:45 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:28:17 pm Tim Knapp wrote:
> > > lets use our *already
> > > existent* Zope/Plone/Python user group to promote python in NZ. Further,
> > > I'm sure all the Plone/Zope developers on the list would just as equally
> > > be interested in discussing all things python as they would all things
> > > Zope/Plon-ish - at least this is what I've experienced when attending
> > > previous meetups organised via this list.
> > >
> > > We could also adjust the frontpage of the nzzug.org site to reflect this
> > > all encompassing aim of the UG more clearly.
> >
> > Well, this is actually why I have signed up to this mailing list also.
> > Although to me the integration of Zope/Plone under the roof of Python sounds
> > more natural than the other way.
> >
> Yep its a bit backwards.
>
> > Therefore I'd second the suggestion, and if the web page could be updated to
> > reflect that case by adding PyZealand to the labels of Zope/Plone that would
> > decrease the fear of "being in the wrong place".
> Have done a quick update, if anyone has any other suggestions
> improvements for the text I'm happy to change it.
>
> >  Maybe even an additional
> > domain PyZealand.org.nz (or whatsoever, I just like the name ... ;) ) with a
> Sounds good, if someone registers it and points it at the server I'm
> happy to add it to the virtual hosts.
>
> > common web presence for the two would be beneficial in promoting this idea
> > that in fact it's just one group, but with multiple interest groups or
> > focuses (or is that "foci"?).
> >
> > The least thing a small country like NZ needs is too much fragmentation on an
> > already small user base!
> >
> Yep for sure. The list is hardly busy.
>
> Paul
>
> PS. the archives are working again
>
>
> > Guy
> >
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On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 12:28 +1200, Guy K. Kloss wrote:
> Paul,
>
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:03:21 pm Paul Roe - TheVirtual Limited wrote:
> > Have done a quick update, if anyone has any other suggestions
> > improvements for the text I'm happy to change it.
>
> Maybe to change the interesting spelling of my name? ;o)
>
Fixed. My humble apologies. That's a really bad typo. Not sure quite
what happened!

> > Sounds good, if someone registers it and points it at the server I'm
> > happy to add it to the virtual hosts.
>
> I think python.org.nz is also still available. May be the better domain, even
> though the name is different.

Fraid not.
domain_dateregistered: 2007-08-16

Paul
> Guy
>
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[Danny Adair-2]

Hello again,

There are others who put these things into one group as well, see
http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups

Anyone trying to do develop in/for/with Zope will need to learn and use Python.
Therefore, all "Zope people" are, to a (usually pragmatic) degree,
"Python people".
Python people certainly don't need to be Zope people at all.
We all know this.

But isn't the conclusion that a Python User Group would have a bigger
audience, and at the same time not exclude Zope people?

Even with just Python web app frameworks, what about TurboGears,
Pylons, Django? Only to name those "other" ones which are widely used.

My suggestion of a Python User Group (slash PIGgy) was partly meant to
be provocational, yes. Partly. But I see people using Python
everywhere, every day, and it's quiet in NZZUG land.

I see the _creation_ of an NZPUG as the alternative to renaming and -
more importantly - redefining NZZUG. However, I cannot speak for
others, especially those who started NZZUG in the first place. There
may be a need for a Zope user group.

Hopefully there's more feedback and input, and hopefully from more
people (don't know the head count on this list) because

One or the other will happen.

Cheers,
Danny
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