[Proposal][UX] User Profile and Preferences

[Ecaterina Valica-2]

Hi devs,

With the new ActionMenu
Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal>I've
made a separation between:

   - Profile - things related to the user
      -
      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
      - Preferences - things related to user's account
      -
      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal

Please give feedback about:

   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
   2. Default Fields:
      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
         1. fields web oriented
         2. fields business oriented
      3. which are those fields?

Thanks,
Caty
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[PERINAUD Christophe]

Hi again,

Same problem, can't reach page. I have the same problem with all myxwiki.org subdomains.

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> De la part de Ecaterina Valica
> Envoyé : jeudi 29 octobre 2009 16:13
> À : XWiki Mailinglist
> Objet : [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] User Profile and Preferences
>
> Hi devs,
>
> With the new ActionMenu
> Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improveme
> nts/ActionMenuProposal>I've
> made a separation between:
>
>    - Profile - things related to the user
>       -
>      
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
> rofileProposal
>       - Preferences - things related to user's account
>       -
>      
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
> referencesProposal
>
> Please give feedback about:
>
>    1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
>    2. Default Fields:
>       1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
>       2. what fields should be default in the static case?
>          1. fields web oriented
>          2. fields business oriented
>       3. which are those fields?
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
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[Ecaterina Valica-2]

yeap - It's a myxwiki.org problem. It's not the page's fault - we will fix
that - thanks

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:34, PERINAUD Christophe <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Same problem, can't reach page. I have the same problem with all
> myxwiki.org subdomains.
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > De la part de Ecaterina Valica
> > Envoyé : jeudi 29 octobre 2009 16:13
> > À : XWiki Mailinglist
> > Objet : [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] User Profile and Preferences
> >
> > Hi devs,
> >
> > With the new ActionMenu
> > Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improveme
> > nts/ActionMenuProposal>I've
> > made a separation between:
> >
> >    - Profile - things related to the user
> >       -
> >
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
> > rofileProposal
> >       - Preferences - things related to user's account
> >       -
> >
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
> > referencesProposal
> >
> > Please give feedback about:
> >
> >    1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
> >    2. Default Fields:
> >       1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
> >       2. what fields should be default in the static case?
> >          1. fields web oriented
> >          2. fields business oriented
> >       3. which are those fields?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> > _______________________________________________
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[Sergiu Dumitriu-2]

On 10/30/2009 11:06 AM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
> yeap - It's a myxwiki.org problem. It's not the page's fault - we will fix
> that - thanks

Looks like IE doesn't like <!-- comments between the <?xml declaration
and the <!DOCTYPE, and somebody was trying to debug something in there.

> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:34, PERINAUD Christophe<
> [hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Same problem, can't reach page. I have the same problem with all
>> myxwiki.org subdomains.
>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> De la part de Ecaterina Valica
>>> Envoyé : jeudi 29 octobre 2009 16:13
>>> À : XWiki Mailinglist
>>> Objet : [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] User Profile and Preferences
>>>
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> With the new ActionMenu
>>> Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improveme
>>> nts/ActionMenuProposal>I've
>>> made a separation between:
>>>
>>>     - Profile - things related to the user
>>>        -
>>>
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
>>> rofileProposal
>>>        - Preferences - things related to user's account
>>>        -
>>>
>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
>>> referencesProposal
>>>
>>> Please give feedback about:
>>>
>>>     1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
>>>     2. Default Fields:
>>>        1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
>>>        2. what fields should be default in the static case?
>>>           1. fields web oriented
>>>           2. fields business oriented
>>>        3. which are those fields?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caty

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[Sergiu Dumitriu-2]

On 10/30/2009 11:23 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
> On 10/30/2009 11:06 AM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
>> yeap - It's a myxwiki.org problem. It's not the page's fault - we will
>> fix
>> that - thanks
>
> Looks like IE doesn't like <!-- comments between the <?xml declaration
> and the <!DOCTYPE, and somebody was trying to debug something in there.

That somebody was me, sorry. Fixed now.

>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 08:34, PERINAUD Christophe<
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> Same problem, can't reach page. I have the same problem with all
>>> myxwiki.org subdomains.
>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>>> De la part de Ecaterina Valica
>>>> Envoyé : jeudi 29 octobre 2009 16:13
>>>> À : XWiki Mailinglist
>>>> Objet : [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] User Profile and Preferences
>>>>
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> With the new ActionMenu
>>>> Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improveme
>>>> nts/ActionMenuProposal>I've
>>>> made a separation between:
>>>>
>>>> - Profile - things related to the user
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
>>>> rofileProposal
>>>> - Preferences - things related to user's account
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserP
>>>> referencesProposal
>>>>
>>>> Please give feedback about:
>>>>
>>>> 1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
>>>> 2. Default Fields:
>>>> 1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
>>>> 2. what fields should be default in the static case?
>>>> 1. fields web oriented
>>>> 2. fields business oriented
>>>> 3. which are those fields?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Caty
>

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[tmortagne]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:13, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi devs,
>
> With the new ActionMenu
> Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal>I've
> made a separation between:
>
>   - Profile - things related to the user
>      -
>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
>      -
>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal
>
> Please give feedback about:
>
>   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
>   2. Default Fields:
>      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
>      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
>         1. fields web oriented
>         2. fields business oriented
>      3. which are those fields?
>

I'm not fan of rights associated to groups in the Groups view. It can
only be the rights of the groups in the user profile wiki which does
not mean much in a farm or even in a wiki where each space/document
can have specific right. Plus rights are not always based on groups,
the user can have specific right associated to him.
Except for that having the groups of the user in the user profile is
very usefull.

We need to decide if mail is shown by default (I don't think so) since
we don't show it currently because of spam since profile page are
viewable by default by anyone.

> Thanks,
> Caty
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[vmassol]

Hi Caty,

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> With the new ActionMenu
> Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal>I've
> made a separation between:

Nice Action menu, I like it.

>   - Profile - things related to the user
>      -
>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal

Nice. However I think I would have preferred a way to go more easily
from profile to preferences to watchlist. Maybe some tabs. In this
case there might not be a need for the various menu entries for the
logged-in user. Anyway I'm ok with whatever you guys feel is good
since it's already an improvement from what we have.

>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
>      -
>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal

Nice. It's missing the ability to change the avatar.

In general for both the profile and the preferences we need an
extensible solution (it's probably something to pay attention to when
we implement it) since every company using XWiki will want to have
different fields displayed and even custom fields.

> Please give feedback about:
>
>   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity

Recent Activity, definitely +1
Groups: +0. Sounds good, just not sure it's the most critical
information to display on the main user page. I'd have seen it on some
extra information page maybe. I guess it depends on what other things
we want displayed on the user profile page.

In some near future, we might want bookmarks displayed.

Question 1: Imagine someone wants to write an application (XAR) that
extends the User Profile. For example a Bookmark application. How
would we write this in a dynamic manner?
Question 2: For the further future, maybe the user profile should be
made out of google social gadgets and we would implement predefined
gagdets such as recent activity, user info, use groups, etc. This
could solve question 1.

>   2. Default Fields:
>      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?

IMO it's the user sheet used  to display the user info that should be pluggable.

>      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
>         1. fields web oriented
>         2. fields business oriented

I know Thomas Eveillau will have some ideas on this too. We should ask him.

+1 to apply all this ASAP for the 2.1 timeframe (we don't have much
time left) and iterate after to improve it.

Thanks
-Vincent

>      3. which are those fields?
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
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[Jean-Vincent Drean-3]

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:13, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> With the new ActionMenu
>> Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal>I've
>> made a separation between:
>>
>>   - Profile - things related to the user
>>      -
>>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
>>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
>>      -
>>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal
>>
>> Please give feedback about:
>>
>>   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
>>   2. Default Fields:
>>      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
>>      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
>>         1. fields web oriented
>>         2. fields business oriented
>>      3. which are those fields?
>>
>
> I'm not fan of rights associated to groups in the Groups view. It can
> only be the rights of the groups in the user profile wiki which does
> not mean much in a farm or even in a wiki where each space/document
> can have specific right. Plus rights are not always based on groups,
> the user can have specific right associated to him.
> Except for that having the groups of the user in the user profile is
> very usefull.
>

I agree, having the list of groups the user belongs to is very nice
but I'd not put action buttons related to them on the user profile.
Caty WWYT about placing this list below user info on the left + have
10 recent changes instead of 5 ?

> We need to decide if mail is shown by default (I don't think so) since
> we don't show it currently because of spam since profile page are
> viewable by default by anyone.
>

Yes, email must be hidden by default.
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[Ecaterina Valica-2]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:13, Jean-Vincent Drean <[hidden email]>wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:13, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >> Hi devs,
> >>
> >> With the new ActionMenu
> >> Proposal<
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal
> >I've
> >> made a separation between:
> >>
> >>   - Profile - things related to the user
> >>      -
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
> >>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
> >>      -
> >>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal
> >>
> >> Please give feedback about:
> >>
> >>   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
> >>   2. Default Fields:
> >>      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
> >>      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
> >>         1. fields web oriented
> >>         2. fields business oriented
> >>      3. which are those fields?
> >>
> >
> > I'm not fan of rights associated to groups in the Groups view. It can
> > only be the rights of the groups in the user profile wiki which does
> > not mean much in a farm or even in a wiki where each space/document
> > can have specific right. Plus rights are not always based on groups,
> > the user can have specific right associated to him.
> > Except for that having the groups of the user in the user profile is
> > very usefull.
> >
>
> I agree, having the list of groups the user belongs to is very nice
> but I'd not put action buttons related to them on the user profile.
> Caty WWYT about placing this list below user info on the left + have
> 10 recent changes instead of 5 ?
>

The right-left separation is though like this:
- left - info that can be changed by user
- right - info related to the user

I would prefer to keep the current format, but we can change the number of
item to be displayed. In the proposal they are simetrical, but in any real
life example, they will be not :P

>
> > We need to decide if mail is shown by default (I don't think so) since
> > we don't show it currently because of spam since profile page are
> > viewable by default by anyone.
> >
>
> Yes, email must be hidden by default.
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[Jean-Vincent Drean-3]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Vincent Massol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Caty,
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>
>>   - Profile - things related to the user
>>      -
>>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
>
> Nice. However I think I would have preferred a way to go more easily
> from profile to preferences to watchlist. Maybe some tabs. In this
> case there might not be a need for the various menu entries for the
> logged-in user. Anyway I'm ok with whatever you guys feel is good
> since it's already an improvement from what we have.
>

I think we need tabs for one reason, with the current proposal an
admin cannot easily view/edit users preferences or watchlists since
the only way to access them is the action menu (which is pointing to
current user pages). The need to edit other peoples watchlists has
been identified in the past.
There is also a technical reason to use tabs for this: if we want to
use the default view/inline modes for the user profile (with 3
different sheets) we won't be able to determine which sheet to use
when entering the inline mode so we need a way to switch between those
views. I think horizontal tabs would make the page look too crowded
but we could have a vertical menu on the left of the page, like the
music genre list on the left of this page: http://www.last.fm/music .

>>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
>>      -
>>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal
>
> Nice. It's missing the ability to change the avatar.
>

About the avatar, can we position it like this only with CSS or would
we need to hardcode something in templates to achieve it ?

> In general for both the profile and the preferences we need an
> extensible solution (it's probably something to pay attention to when
> we implement it) since every company using XWiki will want to have
> different fields displayed and even custom fields.
>
> Question 1: Imagine someone wants to write an application (XAR) that
> extends the User Profile. For example a Bookmark application. How
> would we write this in a dynamic manner?

I think tabs/vertical-menu could allow that, provided we implement a
mechanism to retrieve sheets that must appear in the menu, it is also
what we should have for the administration app in the future (it has
been done with that in mind but never finished). The menu has one
advantage compared to gadgets, it allows to use our inline mode to
edit user preferences for the given app.

> Question 2: For the further future, maybe the user profile should be
> made out of google social gadgets and we would implement predefined
> gagdets such as recent activity, user info, use groups, etc. This
> could solve question 1.

Thanks,
JV.
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[Jean-Vincent Drean-3]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:13, Jean-Vincent Drean <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree, having the list of groups the user belongs to is very nice
>> but I'd not put action buttons related to them on the user profile.
>> Caty WWYT about placing this list below user info on the left + have
>> 10 recent changes instead of 5 ?
>>
>
> The right-left separation is though like this:
> - left - info that can be changed by user
> - right - info related to the user
>

Ok I didn't get that, sounds good then.

> I would prefer to keep the current format, but we can change the number of
> item to be displayed. In the proposal they are simetrical, but in any real
> life example, they will be not :P
>

JV.
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[Jean-Vincent Drean-3]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:13, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> With the new ActionMenu
>>> Proposal<http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal>I've
>>> made a separation between:
>>>
>>>   - Profile - things related to the user
>>>      -
>>>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
>>>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
>>>      -
>>>      http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal
>>>
>>> Please give feedback about:
>>>
>>>   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
>>>   2. Default Fields:
>>>      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
>>>      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
>>>         1. fields web oriented
>>>         2. fields business oriented
>>>      3. which are those fields?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not fan of rights associated to groups in the Groups view. It can
>> only be the rights of the groups in the user profile wiki which does
>> not mean much in a farm or even in a wiki where each space/document
>> can have specific right. Plus rights are not always based on groups,
>> the user can have specific right associated to him.
>> Except for that having the groups of the user in the user profile is
>> very usefull.
>>
>
> I agree, having the list of groups the user belongs to is very nice
> but I'd not put action buttons related to them on the user profile.
> Caty WWYT about placing this list below user info on the left + have
> 10 recent changes instead of 5 ?
>
>> We need to decide if mail is shown by default (I don't think so) since
>> we don't show it currently because of spam since profile page are
>> viewable by default by anyone.
>>
>
> Yes, email must be hidden by default.
>

We could hide emails from XWikiGuest but display them to logged users, WDYT ?

JV.
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[Guillaume Lerouge]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:13, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi devs,
> >>>
> >>> With the new ActionMenu
> >>> Proposal<
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal
> >I've
> >>> made a separation between:
> >>>
> >>>   - Profile - things related to the user
> >>>      -
> >>>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
> >>>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
> >>>      -
> >>>
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal
> >>>
> >>> Please give feedback about:
> >>>
> >>>   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
> >>>   2. Default Fields:
> >>>      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
> >>>      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
> >>>         1. fields web oriented
> >>>         2. fields business oriented
> >>>      3. which are those fields?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm not fan of rights associated to groups in the Groups view. It can
> >> only be the rights of the groups in the user profile wiki which does
> >> not mean much in a farm or even in a wiki where each space/document
> >> can have specific right. Plus rights are not always based on groups,
> >> the user can have specific right associated to him.
> >> Except for that having the groups of the user in the user profile is
> >> very usefull.
> >>
> >
> > I agree, having the list of groups the user belongs to is very nice
> > but I'd not put action buttons related to them on the user profile.
> > Caty WWYT about placing this list below user info on the left + have
> > 10 recent changes instead of 5 ?
> >
> >> We need to decide if mail is shown by default (I don't think so) since
> >> we don't show it currently because of spam since profile page are
> >> viewable by default by anyone.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, email must be hidden by default.
> >
>
> We could hide emails from XWikiGuest but display them to logged users, WDYT
> ?
>

Sounds good to me.

Guillaume

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[ThibautDeveraux]

Hi,

About :
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal

Really fun Cathy, there is a big similitudes of shape between your profil
proposal and the one I showed to Guillaume yesterday for my site. ^^

Is there still a part where the user can say whatever he want about him ?

Can be usefull :
 - If the user want to say other things than what is in the forms
 - In an emotional point of view. It makes it less rigid, more personal.

Have a nice day

Thibaut

2009/11/3 Guillaume Lerouge <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:13, Ecaterina Valica <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >>> Hi devs,
> > >>>
> > >>> With the new ActionMenu
> > >>> Proposal<
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal
> > >I've
> > >>> made a separation between:
> > >>>
> > >>>   - Profile - things related to the user
> > >>>      -
> > >>>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserProfileProposal
> > >>>      - Preferences - things related to user's account
> > >>>      -
> > >>>
> >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserPreferencesProposal
> > >>>
> > >>> Please give feedback about:
> > >>>
> > >>>   1. the utility of the functionality added: Groups, Recent Activity
> > >>>   2. Default Fields:
> > >>>      1. is there a way to have dynamic fields in user class?
> > >>>      2. what fields should be default in the static case?
> > >>>         1. fields web oriented
> > >>>         2. fields business oriented
> > >>>      3. which are those fields?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I'm not fan of rights associated to groups in the Groups view. It can
> > >> only be the rights of the groups in the user profile wiki which does
> > >> not mean much in a farm or even in a wiki where each space/document
> > >> can have specific right. Plus rights are not always based on groups,
> > >> the user can have specific right associated to him.
> > >> Except for that having the groups of the user in the user profile is
> > >> very usefull.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I agree, having the list of groups the user belongs to is very nice
> > > but I'd not put action buttons related to them on the user profile.
> > > Caty WWYT about placing this list below user info on the left + have
> > > 10 recent changes instead of 5 ?
> > >
> > >> We need to decide if mail is shown by default (I don't think so) since
> > >> we don't show it currently because of spam since profile page are
> > >> viewable by default by anyone.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Yes, email must be hidden by default.
> > >
> >
> > We could hide emails from XWikiGuest but display them to logged users,
> WDYT
> > ?
> >
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Guillaume
>
> JV.
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[Ecaterina Valica-2]

> Is there still a part where the user can say whatever he want about him ?
>
> Can be usefull :
>  - If the user want to say other things than what is in the forms
>  - In an emotional point of view. It makes it less rigid, more personal.
>
> Have a nice day
>

Hi Thibaut,
you can put this kind of informations in the "Description" fields.
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Hi,

You can see a version with Tabs at
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserTabsProposal

Thanks,
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On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You can see a version with Tabs at
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserTabsProposal

Caty, does it mean the image is now normalized in term of width/
height? If so, is it done automatically for the user when uploads an  
image or does he have to prepare it in the right size?

Does he have the ability to control the resize and the centering?

Thanks
-Vincent

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[Ecaterina Valica-2]

> Caty, does it mean the image is now normalized in term of width/
> height? If so, is it done automatically for the user when uploads an
> image or does he have to prepare it in the right size?
>

This depends on how we are making the implementation.


> Does he have the ability to control the resize and the centering?
>
>
Because of the position inside the header of the page and for aesthetic
reasons, we could have a fixed size for the image.
Since XWiki is not a specialized platform for handling images, this advanced
options for resizing and centering a profile image are not necessarily
required.
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[vmassol]

On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

>> Caty, does it mean the image is now normalized in term of width/
>> height? If so, is it done automatically for the user when uploads an
>> image or does he have to prepare it in the right size?
>>
>
> This depends on how we are making the implementation.
>
>
>> Does he have the ability to control the resize and the centering?
>>
>>
> Because of the position inside the header of the page and for  
> aesthetic
> reasons, we could have a fixed size for the image.
> Since XWiki is not a specialized platform for handling images, this  
> advanced
> options for resizing and centering a profile image are not necessarily
> required.

Not for a first version I agree (unless we use a library that does  
it). However for the future it's a UX thing.

I see this feature in lots of web apps that are not about image  
manipulation.

To start with, I agree that I'd see an automatic resize either done  
server side or by the browser (CSS).

Thanks
-Vincent
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[ThibautDeveraux]

> you can put this kind of informations in the "Description" fields.

Super !
I love it. :-)

Can I make a sugestion to symplify the fields ?
Just removing semantic indications that are not mandatory

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(maybe put the username a little stronger than usersurname to make sur it
differentiate for foreign names ?)

Description :
(first, as a personalized, more "eye contact" part ?)
Hello, I'm an IT engineer !
I'm found of XWiki !

Departement : Technology

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In modify mode, maybe put the aditional semantic needed in grey in the field
?

> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/UserTabsProposal
> Proposal 2

I prefer to keep the photo near the name. More coherent in semantic. (so
people ++ make link with name and face)
I know that it may be not evident with the list. Because of blank space ?
Tabs Vs List : Tabs is theorically more structuring and immediatly seen,
yet, yes, I like the list more. It lightweight the structure.


>>> Does he have the ability to control the resize and the centering?

>Not for a first version I agree (unless we use a library that does
>it). However for the future it's a UX thing.

I agree to say it is an UX thing because users may hate to have a bad
cropping of them photo.

I think it become good UX only when transparent in most of cases (default
crop proposal being ok on most standard photos + just upload - show the
photo (can re-crop if needed) - validate).


Have a nice day

Thibaut



2009/11/4 Vincent Massol <[hidden email]>

>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
>
> >> Caty, does it mean the image is now normalized in term of width/
> >> height? If so, is it done automatically for the user when uploads an
> >> image or does he have to prepare it in the right size?
> >>
> >
> > This depends on how we are making the implementation.
> >
> >
> >> Does he have the ability to control the resize and the centering?
> >>
> >>
> > Because of the position inside the header of the page and for
> > aesthetic
> > reasons, we could have a fixed size for the image.
> > Since XWiki is not a specialized platform for handling images, this
> > advanced
> > options for resizing and centering a profile image are not necessarily
> > required.
>
> Not for a first version I agree (unless we use a library that does
> it). However for the future it's a UX thing.
>
> I see this feature in lots of web apps that are not about image
> manipulation.
>
> To start with, I agree that I'd see an automatic resize either done
> server side or by the browser (CSS).
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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