Presenting the new MuseScore wordmark

[Thomas Bonte]

It has been some time since you heard news about the MuseScore rebranding project. So it's about time to reveal the new wordmark:



Direct link: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/472692/MuseScore/musescore-logo-white-small.png

The wordmark is made by Raúl Posac from Spain who was studying in Gent during the past academical year. His wordmark stood out from the other proposals because it's rather abstract and it connects with the MuseScore image:

• The light font, i.e. helvetica neue ultralight, symbolizes MuseScore as light, easy and fast software.
• The fermata on the u character symbolizes the free and open use of MuseScore. Wikipedia describes the fermata as "an element of musical notation indicating that the note should be sustained for longer than its note value would indicate" and this is a nice metaphor for the freedom a musician has with MuseScore.

Many of the MuseScore users have expressed their favorite proposals on musescore.org, but I have left the final decision up to the teachers and the students. Raúls wordmark came out as the chosen one, almost unanimously. I waited some time before spreading the news because I wanted to make sure that Raúl had the time and interest to further support the MuseScore redesign effort. There are many elements such as the splash screen, handbook cover and more, which still need to be redesigned.

And so I end this post with first of all thanking the teachers Marc & Bieke and all the students for their efforts and helping out MuseScore. Second, I invite anyone to leave a message who has some designing skills and wants to create artwork for MuseScore building further upon the style of the wordmark.

[Magnus Johansson]

What a surprise! Raúl Posac's proposal was one of the least appreciated by
us MuseScore contributors. The iterations seem like a mockery now. The only
consolation is that logos and wordmarks are exchangeable.


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>
> It has been some time since you heard news about
> http://www.musescore.org/en/node/981 the MuseScore rebranding project . So
> it's about time to reveal the new wordmark:
>
>
> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/472692/MuseScore/musescore-logo-white-small.png
>
> Direct link:
> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/472692/MuseScore/musescore-logo-white-small.png
>
>
> The wordmark is made by Raúl Posac from Spain who was studying in Gent
> during the past academical year. His wordmark stood out from
> http://www.musescore.org/node/1692 the other proposals  because it's
> rather
> abstract and it connects with the MuseScore image:
>
> The light font, i.e.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica#Neue_Helvetica_.281983.29 helvetica
> neue  ultralight, symbolizes MuseScore as light, easy and fast software.
> The  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermata fermata  on the u character
> symbolizes the free and open use of MuseScore. Wikipedia describes the
> fermata as "an element of musical notation indicating that the note should
> be sustained for longer than its note value would indicate" and this is a
> nice metaphor for the freedom a musician has with MuseScore.
>
>
> Many of the MuseScore users have expressed their favorite proposals on
> http://www.musescore.org/node/1692 musescore.org , but I have left the
> final
> decision up to the teachers and the students. Raúls wordmark came out as
> the
> chosen one, almost unanimously.  I waited some time before spreading the
> news because I wanted to make sure that Raúl had the time and interest to
> further support the MuseScore redesign effort. There are many elements
> such
> as the splash screen, handbook cover and more, which still need to be
> redesigned.
>
>
> And so I end this post with first of all thanking the teachers Marc &
> Bieke
> and all the students for their efforts and helping out MuseScore. Second,
> I
> invite anyone to leave a message who has some designing skills and wants
> to
> create artwork for MuseScore building further upon the style of the
> wordmark.
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[Toby Smithe-2]

Hi all,

I tend to agree with Magnus' sentiments here.

2009/9/30 Thomas Bonte <[hidden email]>:
> The wordmark is made by Raúl Posac from Spain who was studying in Gent
> during the past academical year. His wordmark stood out from
> http://www.musescore.org/node/1692 the other proposals  because it's rather
> abstract and it connects with the MuseScore image:

My favourite remains Helien Demey's fountain-pen-treble-clef image. I
think the word "abstract" is used here too eagerly. It seems all that
Raúl has done is written the word "musescore" in lower case, connected
the "m" and the "u", and placed a fermata above the "u". This is not
imaginative. Nor does it reflect well upon the product: we don't want
this software to be connected with feebleness. We want it to be
connected with inspiration, with that mysterious process by which a
musical idea is transcribed (once with a pen, now with our software)
into a notation that is universally understood, universally playable,
and universally effective.

I think these ideas, as presented by Demey, are much more powerful,
and they present a much more compelling set of reasons to use our
software. We are the new pen. Our software is universally usable,
universally modifiable, and produces files that are universally
understood. And it can draw treble clefs all over your screen.

I think it should be taken for granted that MuseScore is "light, easy
and fast". People expect it these days; I don't think it should be an
integral part of the marketing, which should be primarily about the
role of the product. And if you really want an abstract representation
of this, then Demey's interpretation is fairly minimal in its
representation. To me, it's almost insulting that the centrepiece of
the new brand is the fermata. Doesn't this represent a pause? Even if
our music is liberating, our ideas should never pause.


However, if what is meant by this announcement is that the only change
is the "MuseScore" text, rather than the entire brand itself, then my
criticism should be taken much more lightly. Though I would still feel
my points stand, at least Posac's work isn't just the plain text we
have now. I would most like to see a combination of Demey's logo and a
new text, be that Posac's or another. If the text is to be
Pwithosac's, then, if Demey's logo were to be chosen, I would like to
see it coloured and expanded to fit the style of the logo.

Best wishes,

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[Toby Smithe-2]

2009/9/30 Toby Smithe <[hidden email]>:
> If the text is to be
> Pwithosac's, then, if Demey's logo were to be chosen, I would like to

Apologies to Raúl Posac here for mangling his name.

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> The wordmark is made by Raúl Posac from Spain who was studying in Gent
> during the past academical year. His wordmark stood out from
> http://www.musescore.org/node/1692 the other proposals  because it's rather
> abstract and it connects with the MuseScore image:

Is this available anywhere that doesn't require Flash?  It doesn't seem to work with Gnash.

BTW - Did anyone suggest the slogan "MuseScore: Free as in rubato"? :D

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[Magnus Johansson]

After the second iteration I made this list that shows the number of times
the artists were mentioned in a positive way in the comments:
Eveline Vandenberghe: 5

Mira Feryn: 3

Laurence Chanteloup: 2

Wouter De Boeck: 2

Helien Demey: 2

Stijn Peeters: 2

Kaatje Steurbaut: 2

Tamara Vandecatseye: 2

Nereida Jiménez: 1

Peter Van de Sijpe: 1

Elise Verstraete: 1



As you can see Raúl Posac was not mentioned at all. If our opinions really
meant something this should have at least influenced the process in some
way. But as it turned out we offered our views just to get the response that
they were totally ignored. This is a stain on the management of an open
project like MuseScore. This is what the ruling elites are doing in world
politics, but I would be greatly dissapointed if the MuseScore community
would let this behaviour of their own administration pass without
considerable objection.


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[Luis Garrido-4]

> but I have left the final decision up to the teachers and the students.

So the final decision comes from people not associated with the
application purpose, neither users nor developers and, for all their
graphic savvy, in many cases with obvious ignorance of the most
elementary notions of music notation. Hmm.

Frankly, I don't think this wordmark stuff is really relevant for free
software, so whatever, as long as there is a good desktop icon to go
with it. A fermata is fine.

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[Thomas Bonte]

Hi Magnus,

The redesign project was done openly with the community for two reasons. First of all because it's fun for the students to find out what the community thinks of it and to get some general feedback. As an example, general feedback from the community after the first iteration was that most of the logos were to much focused on audio rather than on music notation. Many of the students accepted this advice and adapted their logo in the second iteration.

A second reason was to make it fun for the community as well. To follow the design process from a class of 22 students. And while we have only seen the logo at this moment, there are some more things to come such as the promotional video which will be released soon: http://www.youtube.com/user/musescore

While the community has been asked for feedback, the decision for choosing the strongest logo has always been in the hands of the teachers and the students. This has been mentioned in the post with the 2nd iteration results. Raúls logo was never mentioned in the comments, but apparently, the designer eyes look differently to a logo.

It's clear that this decision process brings up a lot of emotion, but when it comes down to selecting the right logo which fits best for MuseScore, lets put ourselves behind the choice of the designers. I hope we can all find at least something in Raúls logo, even though we might have our personal favorites.

[Thomas Bonte]

Hi Luis,

Many logos have no relation with the product. 'Apple' is a nice example of this. Ignorance has nothing to do with this according to me. It's all about standing out from the rest with something strong and clear.

Luis Garrido-4 wrote:

> but I have left the final decision up to the teachers and the students.

So the final decision comes from people not associated with the
application purpose, neither users nor developers and, for all their
graphic savvy, in many cases with obvious ignorance of the most
elementary notions of music notation. Hmm.

Frankly, I don't think this wordmark stuff is really relevant for free
software, so whatever, as long as there is a good desktop icon to go
with it. A fermata is fine.

L

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[Magnus Johansson]

Hey Thomas!

"A second reason was to make it fun for the community as well." This is an
outrage! This is treating the MuseScore community worse than some kind of
kindergarten class.

"While the community has been asked for feedback, the decision for choosing
the strongest logo has always been in the hands of the teachers and the
students." Have we the contributors of MuseScore granted them this right?
Who really owns this project?

"[...] lets put ourselves behind the choice of the designers." No, why
should we if we do not agree with them?

"I hope we can all find at least something in Raúls logo, even though we
might have our personal favorites." Are you asking for support of something
that hardly hasn't attracted any positive attention at all? The handling of
this issue has become a major problem. Will you be able to resolve it
without any harm to MuseScore?


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[lasconic]

Hi,
This discussion is getting wild for a fermata and a logo...
This is energy waste if you ask me.

Majority of the logos were fine to me, included Raul one. They were better than the lyre, borrowed from MusE.
I know that a lot of efforts and time has been done already by everyone teachers, students, included Thomas to have a more "beautiful" software.
It includes meetings, hour of works on logo, on videos etc... Thanks guys.

I think it's important to make MuseScore more beautiful. So people have spend a lot of time on it.
And, as far as I'm concerned, I will follow the result of their effort.
Counting "votes" is a democracy thing. Open source works with actions and efforts. They made the effort, they choose, we agree.
They have been kind enough to make public the steps of the creation, very good.
We didn't get this chance with the previous splash screen and I didn't ask when I create the Mac installer background. I did it, I commit it, and everybody agreed.
 
So guys, please, please, please... if you have energy to waste, join the bug hunting "team". answer the questions on the forum, translate, review, give your opinion on upcoming features by reacting on the issue tracker, promote the software.
But please, please, please, don't waste your energy on a wild discussion about taste and colors, you can be more constructive.

Peace,
lasconic (returning to the issue tracker)

2009/10/1 Magnus Johansson <[hidden email]>

Hey Thomas!

"A second reason was to make it fun for the community as well." This is an
outrage! This is treating the MuseScore community worse than some kind of
kindergarten class.

"While the community has been asked for feedback, the decision for choosing

the strongest logo has always been in the hands of the teachers and the
students." Have we the contributors of MuseScore granted them this right?
Who really owns this project?

"[...] lets put ourselves behind the choice of the designers." No, why
should we if we do not agree with them?

"I hope we can all find at least something in Raúls logo, even though we

might have our personal favorites." Are you asking for support of something
that hardly hasn't attracted any positive attention at all? The handling of
this issue has become a major problem. Will you be able to resolve it
without any harm to MuseScore?

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[Magnus Johansson]

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Hey Nicolas!

 

I do not think this discussion is wasted energy. It is quite important how decisions are made, even in an open source software project. We are (or at least were) a group of MuseScore contributors with enough interest in this rebranding project to give our time and opinions on the different proposals. When a new logo shall be produced it is very sensible to have the project's contributors say what they think and influence the decision, since they, after all, constitutes the project itself.

 

"I think it's important to make MuseScore more beautiful."

 

So do we, who gave our time to review the proposals.

 

"And, as far as I'm concerned, I will follow the result of their effort."

Yes, this comes as no surprise since you were not the most active commenter during the iterations.

 

"Counting "votes" is a democracy thing."

 

Yes, I know "democracy things" are not very popular these days; take a look around in the world.

 

"Open source works with actions and efforts."

 

Well, open source works with cooperation also.

 

"They made the effort, they choose, we agree."

 

This is actually quite telling why the world looks like it does.

 

"We didn't get this chance with the previous splash screen [...]"

 

Is this an argument at all?

 

"[...] and I didn't ask when I create the Mac installer background. I did it, I commit it, and everybody agreed."

 

If you did not ask; how do you know that everybody agreed?

 

"So guys, please, please, please... if you have energy to waste, join the bug hunting "team". answer the questions on the forum, translate, review, give your opinion on upcoming features by reacting on the issue tracker, promote the software."

 

... but don't try to influence how the logo shall look like, right?

 

"But please, please, please, don't waste your energy on a wild discussion about taste and colors, you can be more constructive."

I do not think the discussion is that wild. I have not yelled with a pitchfork in my hand (yet). I am not angry at anyone, and I do not feel that others in this discussion are so angry that we can not talk with one another and really learn something from all of this.

Pax tibi, Nicolas, and many thanks for all your efforts for MuseScore!

 

 

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[Nathan Hale]

I for one really like the logo (although it wouldn't have been my
first choice, either) and I especially liked the mockups with the
simple stylized "MU" with the fermata...it looked pretty classy to me.

Obviously our lead developers chose to leave the logo design in the
hands of the designers...and quite frankly I pretty sure that's their
prerogative, even under the GPL :). FOSS projects don't *have* to be
run democratically...many of them are (and I'm all for it), for sure,
but many of them aren't as well.

Perhaps this is a good time to make it clear exactly how the project
is going be run in terms of community influence...Let's take this
opportunity to learn from each other a bit, but let's also not
overreact on this one issue. The logo/wordmark is certainly important,
but not nearly as much as getting a free, open, stable, bug-free, and
fully featured notation editor out there.

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[Thomas Bonte]

Hi Nathan, Magnus,

My personal point of view on how MuseScore is being developed is in the same way as many Open Source projects, meaning by scratching your own itch. I didn't see this differently with the rebranding project which means that I didn't have a grand plan right from the start.

I started the rebranding project because I felt that MuseScore didn't make a good first impression. That first impression is entirely based on how MuseScore is presented up to the step where you put your first note. The steps in between are downloading it from musescore.org, installing it on your computer and seeing the splash screen for the first time. During each step, one is confronted with the MuseScore brand, either the logo, wordmark or any form of artwork. So, I decided to do something about it.

Since I'm not a designer, I first made a post on the mailing list to see whether there was anybody in the community who could help us with this matter. After some mailing with Cambiata, I decided it was better to start from scratch. In order to improve my chances, I went to the design school not far from where I live. The rest of the story is openly communicated on musescore.org.

http://www.musescore.org/node/981
http://www.musescore.org/node/1301
http://www.musescore.org/node/1692

When rereading my own writings, I understand that I have not been clear about the selection procedure in my first post. In my second post, I thought it would be a good idea to ask for comments which could help the students for their second iteration. Still I didn't post anything about the selection procedure. I confess I didn't know yet how the selection procedure would happen. While talking with the teachers before the second iteration was ended, it became clear to me that selecting the strongest wordmark should be up to the designers themselves. My reason to take this decision was something I learned by following the Drupal redesign project, lead by Mark Boulton.

Mark writes in What's in a wordmark:

Mark Boulton wrote:

For the Drupal wordmark, luckily, I’m not starting from scratch. There is already a rich history of the logo, and the drupalicon (just read this post for an insight into how the Drupalicon is changed, and how much of that change is part of the Drupal community). However, with history, comes culture and, sometimes, baggage. It’s my job to put all that to one side and solve the problem in front of me. Luckily, a wordmark problem is a typographic problem, and I’ve got a thing about type. [...] And like any identity development, it’s only going to be the start. It’s up to you to take this and run with it in the coming years.

And so came my understanding that I could follow the same path for MuseScore: let the designers come up with the wordmark and give the future identity development to the community.

This understanding only came to me just before releasing the results of the second iteration. I solely decided then to let the teachers, Marc & Bieke, take up the challenge to select the strongest wordmark which I also communicated in the post with the 2nd iteration results. My only concern was now whether Raúl could support us further with developing the MuseScore identity since he is the designer of the selected wordmark. Luckily, Raúl came back to me with a positive answer.

I hope this story might answer some open questions. I sincerely apology if I may have raised different expectations on how the wordmark would be selected. Still, I hope we can go on with Raúls wordmark.

Thomas

Nathan Hale wrote:

I for one really like the logo (although it wouldn't have been my
first choice, either) and I especially liked the mockups with the
simple stylized "MU" with the fermata...it looked pretty classy to me.

Obviously our lead developers chose to leave the logo design in the
hands of the designers...and quite frankly I pretty sure that's their
prerogative, even under the GPL :). FOSS projects don't *have* to be
run democratically...many of them are (and I'm all for it), for sure,
but many of them aren't as well.

Perhaps this is a good time to make it clear exactly how the project
is going be run in terms of community influence...Let's take this
opportunity to learn from each other a bit, but let's also not
overreact on this one issue. The logo/wordmark is certainly important,
but not nearly as much as getting a free, open, stable, bug-free, and
fully featured notation editor out there.

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[Nathan Hale]

Thomas,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply...I know I'm not the only one that
appreciates your transparency and openness--and of course all the
great work you do for MuseScore!

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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Thomas Bonte <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi Nathan, Magnus,
>
> My personal point of view on how MuseScore is being developed is in the same
> way as many Open Source projects, meaning by scratching your own itch. I
> didn't see this differently with the rebranding project which means that I
> didn't have a grand plan right from the start.
>
> I started the rebranding project because I felt that MuseScore didn't make a
> good first impression. That first impression is entirely based on how
> MuseScore is presented up to the step where you put your first note. The
> steps in between are downloading it from musescore.org, installing it on
> your computer and seeing the splash screen for the first time. During each
> step, one is confronted with the MuseScore brand, either the logo, wordmark
> or any form of artwork. So, I decided to do something about it.
>
> Since I'm not a designer, I first made
> http://n2.nabble.com/Designer-request-MuseScore-banners-buttons-td1092415.html#a1115025
> a post on the mailing list  to see whether there was anybody in the
> community who could help us with this matter. After some mailing with
> Cambiata, I decided it was better to start from scratch. In order to improve
> my chances, I went to the design school not far from where I live. The rest
> of the story is openly communicated on musescore.org.
>
> http://www.musescore.org/node/981
> http://www.musescore.org/node/1301
> http://www.musescore.org/node/1692
>
> When rereading my own writings, I understand that I have not been clear
> about the selection procedure in my first post. In my second post, I thought
> it would be a good idea to ask for comments which could help the students
> for their second iteration. Still I didn't post anything about the selection
> procedure. I confess I didn't know yet how the selection procedure would
> happen. While talking with the teachers before the second iteration was
> ended, it became clear to me that selecting the strongest wordmark should be
> up to the designers themselves. My reason to take this decision was
> something I learned by following the  http://drupal.org Drupal
> http://www.markboultondesign.com/news/detail/initial_wordmark_designs/
> redesign project , lead by  http://www.markboultondesign.com/ Mark Boulton .
>
> Mark writes in
> http://www.markboultondesign.com/news/detail/whats_in_a_wordmark/ What's in
> a wordmark :
>
> Mark Boulton wrote:
>>
>> For the Drupal wordmark, luckily, I’m not starting from scratch. There is
>> already a rich history of the logo, and the drupalicon (just read this
>> post for an insight into how the Drupalicon is changed, and how much of
>> that change is part of the Drupal community). However, with history, comes
>> culture and, sometimes, baggage. It’s my job to put all that to one side
>> and solve the problem in front of me. Luckily, a wordmark problem is a
>> typographic problem, and I’ve got a thing about type. [...] And like any
>> identity development, it’s only going to be the start. It’s up to you to
>> take this and run with it in the coming years.
>
> And so came my understanding that I could follow the same path for
> MuseScore: let the designers come up with the wordmark and give the future
> identity development to the community.
>
> This understanding only came to me just before releasing the results of the
> second iteration. I solely decided then to let the teachers, Marc & Bieke,
> take up the challenge to select the strongest wordmark which I also
> communicated in the post with the 2nd iteration results. My only concern was
> now whether Raúl could support us further with developing the MuseScore
> identity since he is the designer of the selected wordmark. Luckily, Raúl
> came back to me with a positive answer.
>
> I hope this story might answer some open questions. I sincerely apology if I
> may have raised different expectations on how the wordmark would be
> selected. Still, I hope we can go on with Raúls wordmark.
>
> Thomas
>
>
> Nathan Hale wrote:
>>
>> I for one really like the logo (although it wouldn't have been my
>> first choice, either) and I especially liked the mockups with the
>> simple stylized "MU" with the fermata...it looked pretty classy to me.
>>
>> Obviously our lead developers chose to leave the logo design in the
>> hands of the designers...and quite frankly I pretty sure that's their
>> prerogative, even under the GPL :). FOSS projects don't *have* to be
>> run democratically...many of them are (and I'm all for it), for sure,
>> but many of them aren't as well.
>>
>> Perhaps this is a good time to make it clear exactly how the project
>> is going be run in terms of community influence...Let's take this
>> opportunity to learn from each other a bit, but let's also not
>> overreact on this one issue. The logo/wordmark is certainly important,
>> but not nearly as much as getting a free, open, stable, bug-free, and
>> fully featured notation editor out there.
>>
>> My two cents,
>> ~Nathan R. Hale
>> Rom. 12:2
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I like that Logo (ord wordmark) very much, great work, great choice!

I am writing an article about MuseScore and a brief history of open source music-software to DKUUG magazine (Danisk Unix User Group Magazine) and I would like to use the logo if it is OK with you.

I have searched for some info about the developer team behind MuseScore, I didnot find much except a picture of Werner Schweer, you (Thomas Bonte) and Ganseman. The mail-list is my first source to insight in the ongoings.

My article will focus on the timeline of MusE and MuseScore, and on the MSC file format.

Any comment from you would be very welcome!

Regards /Donald Axel

[David Bolton-2]

donald.axel wrote:
> I have searched for some info about the developer team behind MuseScore, I
> didnot find much except a picture of Werner Schweer, you (Thomas Bonte) and
> Ganseman. The mail-list is my first source to insight in the ongoings.
>
>  

I have been compiling a list of developers, translators, and other
contributors while I've been involved in the project. The most
up-to-date is at the bottom of the "New features in 0.9.5" page:
http://www.musescore.org/en/new-features-musescore-095

There are actually a number of translators that have come on board since
the release of 0.9.5. I usually wait till shortly before a release to
update the list of names.

> My article will focus on the timeline of MusE and MuseScore, and on the MSC
> file format.
>  

It may be better to refer to the file format as the MSCX file format or
MuseScore Format. The extension MSC was used for version 0.9.3 and
earlier but the extension conflicted with certain type of system file on
Microsoft Windows.

If you are on Linux be sure to check you are using the very latest
version of MuseScore (version 0.9.5). If the version of your operation
system was released before MuseScore 0.9.5 then it is not included by
default. See the download page for instructions.

David

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David Bolton-2 wrote:

>Donald wrote:
> My article will focus on the timeline of MusE and MuseScore, and on the MSC
> file format.


It may be better to refer to the file format as the MSCX file format or
MuseScore Format. The extension MSC was used for version 0.9.3 and
earlier but the extension conflicted with certain type of system file on
Microsoft Windows.

If you are on Linux be sure to check you are using the very latest
version of MuseScore (version 0.9.5). If the version of your operation
system was released before MuseScore 0.9.5 then it is not included by
default. See the download page for instructions.

Thank you very much for such a fast reaction. I will use the name MSCX.
I have not yet digged deeper into that but I thought it was enough to
mention that mscx was zipped msc files.
Archive:  Inventio-10.mscz
  Length     Date   Time    Name
 --------    ----   ----    ----
    78498  02-25-09 23:28   Inventio-10.msc
      158  02-25-09 23:28   META-INF/container.xml
 --------                   -------
    78656                   2 files

I understand perfectly well that it might collide with a well known
vendor's C compiler, or "Microsoft console Snap-in Control-file".

Regarding the newest 0.9.5 version you sent me compiling. I compiled
and used mscore-0.9.4 stable for some excellent work in 2009-02-*
(I have a new machine but it is not quite ready! So I could not just
install another distro (e.g. Debian or PCLinuxOS).

I move the rest of this conversation to a "developer build" thread.

[lasconic]

To make it clear about format and extension.
MSC is the old name and it was an xml file.
In MuseScore 0.9.5 :
MSCX is the same XML file. We added the X for the reason you invoked.
MSCZ is a MSCX file zipped.

Lasconic

2009/10/4 donald.axel <[hidden email]>

David Bolton-2 wrote:

>
>>Donald wrote:
>> My article will focus on the timeline of MusE and MuseScore, and on the
>> MSC
>> file format.
>
>
> It may be better to refer to the file format as the MSCX file format or
> MuseScore Format. The extension MSC was used for version 0.9.3 and
> earlier but the extension conflicted with certain type of system file on
> Microsoft Windows.
>
> If you are on Linux be sure to check you are using the very latest
> version of MuseScore (version 0.9.5). If the version of your operation
> system was released before MuseScore 0.9.5 then it is not included by
> default. See the download page for instructions.
>
>

Thank you very much for such a fast reaction. I will use the name MSCX.
I have not yet digged deeper into that but I thought it was enough to
mention that mscx was zipped msc files.
Archive:  Inventio-10.mscz
 Length     Date   Time    Name
 --------    ----   ----    ----
   78498  02-25-09 23:28   Inventio-10.msc
     158  02-25-09 23:28   META-INF/container.xml
 --------                   -------
   78656                   2 files

I understand perfectly well that it might collide with a well known
vendor's C compiler, or "Microsoft console Snap-in Control-file".

Regarding the newest 0.9.5 version you sent me compiling. I compiled
and used mscore-0.9.4 stable for some excellent work in 2009-02-*
(I have a new machine but it is not quite ready! So I could not just
install another distro (e.g. Debian or PCLinuxOS).

I move the rest of this conversation to a "developer build" thread.

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