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This code swarm is a really cool visualization of the history of the Plone project from the perspective of contributors checking in code to the Plone code repository during the last 8 years. Thanks to Chris Calloway for putting it together and Alex Limi for Tweeting about it. http://twitter.com/limi/status/977015794

Watch the code swarm here: http://www.vimeo.com/2075738

This might make a cool demo to show WPD attendees how Plone is a mature product, has stood the test of time and has more contributors than Drupal and Joomla combined:


Someone want to make up a chart of those #'s and include it with the World Plone Day slide deck?

Btw, searching for "CMS" on ohloh.net brings up 513 hits, so it's no wonder people are confused when they have to choose an open source CMS. There are so many choices!

Nate

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Only 22 Drupal contributors? Does that pass the sanity check? Why such a discrepancy? Seems a little fishy, though I know nothing about the Drupal community.

2008/10/28 Nate Aune <[hidden email]>
This code swarm is a really cool visualization of the history of the Plone project from the perspective of contributors checking in code to the Plone code repository during the last 8 years. Thanks to Chris Calloway for putting it together and Alex Limi for Tweeting about it. http://twitter.com/limi/status/977015794

Watch the code swarm here: http://www.vimeo.com/2075738

This might make a cool demo to show WPD attendees how Plone is a mature product, has stood the test of time and has more contributors than Drupal and Joomla combined:


Someone want to make up a chart of those #'s and include it with the World Plone Day slide deck?

Btw, searching for "CMS" on ohloh.net brings up 513 hits, so it's no wonder people are confused when they have to choose an open source CMS. There are so many choices!

Nate

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It's because lots of people contribute patches and whatnot, but very few people have commit privs to make the actual checkins to their repository.  It's a different community model than Plone's very open, trusting approach.  I am pretty sure the same is true of Joomla as well.

I think it's good to emphasize how open and collaborative the community is, but wise to avoid direct comparisons with competitors, because it is a bit of "apples and oranges" due to different community management structures.

:jon


Gerry Kirk-3 wrote:
Only 22 Drupal contributors? Does that pass the sanity check? Why such a
discrepancy? Seems a little fishy, though I know nothing about the Drupal
community.

2008/10/28 Nate Aune <natea@jazkarta.com>

> This code swarm is a really cool visualization of the history of the Plone
> project from the perspective of contributors checking in code to the Plone
> code repository during the last 8 years. Thanks to Chris Calloway for
> putting it together and Alex Limi for Tweeting about it.
> http://twitter.com/limi/status/977015794
>
> Watch the code swarm here: http://www.vimeo.com/2075738
>
> This might make a cool demo to show WPD attendees how Plone is a mature
> product, has stood the test of time and has more contributors than Drupal
> and Joomla combined:
>
> 275 contributors to Plone -
> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/contributors
> 48 contributors to Joomla -
> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/joomla/contributors
> 22 contributors to Drupal -
> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/contributors
> 33 contributors to Typo3 -
> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/typo3/contributors
> 17 contributors to Wordpress -
> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/wordpress/contributors
> 7 contributors to Xoops - http://www.ohloh.net/projects/xoops/contributors
>
> Someone want to make up a chart of those #'s and include it with the World
> Plone Day slide deck?
>
> Btw, searching for "CMS" on ohloh.net brings up 513 hits, so it's no
> wonder people are confused when they have to choose an open source CMS.
> There are so many choices!
> http://www.ohloh.net/projects/search?q=cms
>
> Nate
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Jon Stahl wrote:
I think it's good to emphasize how open and collaborative the community is, but wise to avoid direct comparisons with competitors, because it is a bit of "apples and oranges" due to different community management structures.
+1 to Jon's comments (I drafted this message last night …)

Gerry Kirk-3 wrote:
Only 22 Drupal contributors?
<http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/factoids/865231> suggests:

> Over the past twelve months, only 3 developers contributed new code

and

> Over the entire history of the project, 10 developers have contributed

<http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/contributors> counts 22.

At <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/reviews> a reviewer comments:

> stats are wrong, because many developers contribute to Drupal, but only a few developers have necessary rights to commit code into Drupal core repositories. This ensures a very high quality in Drupal's core code base.

The 10 ≠ 22 discrepancy remains unexplained.

----

For Plone at <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/reviews> we might add a comparable review, with reference to <http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-developer-reference/overview/release-process> and/or simply highlight:

 * Release Manager
  — one elected individual

 * Framework team
  — currently five individuals
  — <http://plone.org/about/team/FrameworkTeam>.

----

Drupal gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
based on 111 user ratings. 111/280 = ratings from ~39% of Drupal users at Ohloh.

Plone gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
based on 61 user ratings. 61/107 = ratings from ~57% of Plone users at Ohloh.

----

<http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/factoids/740563> notes:

> Over the last twelve months, Plone has seen a substantial decline in development activity … Ohloh makes this determination by comparing total number of commits made by all developers during the most recent twelve months with the same figure for the twelve months before that. The number of developers and total lines of code are not considered.

The April/May 2006 burst is remarkable in the videos mentioned at  <http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-Code-Swarm-tp1374267p1374267.html> but that's more than 24 months ago so the perceived decline is probably attributable to other factors.

Regards
Graham
Jon Stahl

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My conclusion from all of this is not to rely too much on Ohloh's stats; they are often quite inaccurate.

:jon


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:evangelism-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Graham Perrin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:48 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Plone code swarm - 275 code contributors - morethan
> Drupal and Joomla combined
>
>
>
> Jon Stahl wrote:
> > I think it's good to emphasize how open and collaborative the community
> > is, but wise to avoid direct comparisons with competitors, because it is a
> > bit of "apples and oranges" due to different community management
> > structures.
>
> +1 to Jon's comments (I drafted this message last night …)
>
>
> Gerry Kirk-3 wrote:
> > Only 22 Drupal contributors?
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/factoids/865231> suggests:
>
> > Over the past twelve months, only 3 developers contributed new code
>
> and
>
> > Over the entire history of the project, 10 developers have contributed
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/contributors> counts 22.
>
> At <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/reviews> a reviewer comments:
>
> > stats are wrong, because many developers contribute to Drupal, but only a
> > few developers have necessary rights to commit code into Drupal core
> > repositories. This ensures a very high quality in Drupal's core code base.
>
> The 10 ≠ 22 discrepancy remains unexplained.
>
> ----
>
> For Plone at <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/reviews> we might add a
> comparable review, with reference to
> <http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-developer-
> reference/overview/release-process>
> and/or simply highlight:
>
>  * Release Manager
>   — one elected individual
>
>  * Framework team
>   — currently five individuals
>   — <http://plone.org/about/team/FrameworkTeam>.
>
> ----
>
> Drupal gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
> based on 111 user ratings. 111/280 = ratings from ~39% of Drupal users at
> Ohloh.
>
> Plone gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
> based on 61 user ratings. 61/107 = ratings from ~57% of Plone users at
> Ohloh.
>
> ----
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/factoids/740563> notes:
>
> > Over the last twelve months, Plone has seen a substantial decline in
> > development activity … Ohloh makes this determination by comparing total
> > number of commits made by all developers during the most recent twelve
> > months with the same figure for the twelve months before that. The number
> > of developers and total lines of code are not considered.
>
> The April/May 2006 burst is remarkable in the videos mentioned at
> <http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-Code-Swarm-tp1374267p1374267.html> but that's
> more than 24 months ago so the perceived decline is probably attributable to
> other factors.
>
> Regards
> Graham
> --
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-code-swarm---275-
> code-contributors---more-than-Drupal-and-Joomla-combined-
> tp1387483p1392787.html
> Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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All three Plone code swarm visualizations are finished now and I'm
trying to get this published:

http://plone.org/news/plone-code-swarms-demonstrate-community-vitality

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Chris Calloway wrote:
All three Plone code swarm visualizations are finished now …
http://plone.org/news/plone-code-swarms-demonstrate-community-vitality
MANY THANKS!

Please, can the image of the explosion be increased in brightness? (The thumbnail reduction is, at a glance, predominantly black). The attached JPG is lazily auto-levelled and sharpened in Apple Preview, someone else might produce better :)


Would it be useful for me to offer streaming complements to the Flash versions of the swarms?

Best regards
Graham
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Do we have other community stats we can use, or history of the project from a community perspective?

I want to write a post called Plone: Of the People, By the People, For the People.

- Gerry

2008/10/29 Jon Stahl <[hidden email]>
My conclusion from all of this is not to rely too much on Ohloh's stats; they are often quite inaccurate.

:jon


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Graham Perrin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:48 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Plone code swarm - 275 code contributors - morethan
> Drupal and Joomla combined
>
>
>
> Jon Stahl wrote:
> > I think it's good to emphasize how open and collaborative the community
> > is, but wise to avoid direct comparisons with competitors, because it is a
> > bit of "apples and oranges" due to different community management
> > structures.
>
> +1 to Jon's comments (I drafted this message last night …)
>
>
> Gerry Kirk-3 wrote:
> > Only 22 Drupal contributors?
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/factoids/865231> suggests:
>
> > Over the past twelve months, only 3 developers contributed new code
>
> and
>
> > Over the entire history of the project, 10 developers have contributed
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/contributors> counts 22.
>
> At <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/reviews> a reviewer comments:
>
> > stats are wrong, because many developers contribute to Drupal, but only a
> > few developers have necessary rights to commit code into Drupal core
> > repositories. This ensures a very high quality in Drupal's core code base.
>
> The 10 ≠ 22 discrepancy remains unexplained.
>
> ----
>
> For Plone at <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/reviews> we might add a
> comparable review, with reference to
> <http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-developer-
> reference/overview/release-process>
> and/or simply highlight:
>
>  * Release Manager
>   — one elected individual
>
>  * Framework team
>   — currently five individuals
>   — <http://plone.org/about/team/FrameworkTeam>.
>
> ----
>
> Drupal gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
> based on 111 user ratings. 111/280 = ratings from ~39% of Drupal users at
> Ohloh.
>
> Plone gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
> based on 61 user ratings. 61/107 = ratings from ~57% of Plone users at
> Ohloh.
>
> ----
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/factoids/740563> notes:
>
> > Over the last twelve months, Plone has seen a substantial decline in
> > development activity … Ohloh makes this determination by comparing total
> > number of commits made by all developers during the most recent twelve
> > months with the same figure for the twelve months before that. The number
> > of developers and total lines of code are not considered.
>
> The April/May 2006 burst is remarkable in the videos mentioned at
> <http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-Code-Swarm-tp1374267p1374267.html> but that's
> more than 24 months ago so the perceived decline is probably attributable to
> other factors.
>
> Regards
> Graham
> --
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-code-swarm---275-
> code-contributors---more-than-Drupal-and-Joomla-combined-
> tp1387483p1392787.html
> Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
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Gerry Kirk wrote:
> Do we have other community stats we can use, or history of the project
> from a community perspective?
>
> I want to write a post called Plone: Of the People, By the People, For
> the People.
>
> - Gerry
>

On October 6th,

plone.org control panel claimed

- 201 developers that have write access to the Plone foundation
repository (the one covered by the contributor agreement)

- 196 developers that have write access to the Archetypes repository

(some people have access to first OR second repositories iow they are
not the same 200 people)

and

- 845 developers that have write access to the collective repository


Those are the total numbers since we moved to plone.org svn.

Iow some of those people are inactive today.

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Martin Aspeli’s 2006 dissertation is a great history of Plone up to, obviously, ~2006.

 

:jon

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:43 AM
To: Jon Stahl
Cc: Graham Perrin; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Plone code swarm - 275 code contributors - morethan Drupal and Joomla combined

 

Do we have other community stats we can use, or history of the project from a community perspective?

I want to write a post called Plone: Of the People, By the People, For the People.

- Gerry

2008/10/29 Jon Stahl <[hidden email]>

My conclusion from all of this is not to rely too much on Ohloh's stats; they are often quite inaccurate.

:jon



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Graham Perrin
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:48 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Plone code swarm - 275 code contributors - morethan
> Drupal and Joomla combined
>
>
>
> Jon Stahl wrote:
> > I think it's good to emphasize how open and collaborative the community
> > is, but wise to avoid direct comparisons with competitors, because it is a
> > bit of "apples and oranges" due to different community management
> > structures.
>
> +1 to Jon's comments (I drafted this message last night …)
>
>
> Gerry Kirk-3 wrote:
> > Only 22 Drupal contributors?
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/factoids/865231> suggests:
>
> > Over the past twelve months, only 3 developers contributed new code
>
> and
>
> > Over the entire history of the project, 10 developers have contributed
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/contributors> counts 22.
>
> At <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/drupal/reviews> a reviewer comments:
>
> > stats are wrong, because many developers contribute to Drupal, but only a
> > few developers have necessary rights to commit code into Drupal core
> > repositories. This ensures a very high quality in Drupal's core code base.
>
> The 10 ≠ 22 discrepancy remains unexplained.
>
> ----
>
> For Plone at <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/reviews> we might add a
> comparable review, with reference to
> <http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-developer-
> reference/overview/release-process>
> and/or simply highlight:
>
>  * Release Manager
>   — one elected individual
>
>  * Framework team
>   — currently five individuals
>   — <http://plone.org/about/team/FrameworkTeam>.
>
> ----
>
> Drupal gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
> based on 111 user ratings. 111/280 = ratings from ~39% of Drupal users at
> Ohloh.
>
> Plone gains a community rating of 4.3/5.0
> based on 61 user ratings. 61/107 = ratings from ~57% of Plone users at
> Ohloh.
>
> ----
>
> <http://www.ohloh.net/projects/plone/factoids/740563> notes:
>
> > Over the last twelve months, Plone has seen a substantial decline in
> > development activity … Ohloh makes this determination by comparing total
> > number of commits made by all developers during the most recent twelve
> > months with the same figure for the twelve months before that. The number
> > of developers and total lines of code are not considered.
>
> The April/May 2006 burst is remarkable in the videos mentioned at
> <http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-Code-Swarm-tp1374267p1374267.html> but that's
> more than 24 months ago so the perceived decline is probably attributable to
> other factors.
>
> Regards
> Graham
> --
> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-code-swarm---275-
> code-contributors---more-than-Drupal-and-Joomla-combined-
> tp1387483p1392787.html
> Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
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