Plone Tune-Up Rally - Help Make Plone Even Better!

[Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker]

The Plone community invites all Plone and Python developers to join  
the very first "Plone Tune-Up Rally" event on Friday afternoon, July  
25th, 2008.

"Plone Tune-Up Rally" is an event that happens every other Friday  
afternoon and aims at addressing tickets in the Plone issue tracker  
and advancing Plone in general.

This Friday's event will be hosted by the good people at Six Feet Up —http://www.sixfeetup.com 
  — and we encourage all developers in the Plone Community to  
participate and contribute as much as they want and can for a few  
hours each month. The hosts will be present from 2pm-6pm (14:00-18:00)  
EDT, but don't let that stop you if you are in a different time zone!

The current lists of tickets that need some immediate attention are:

- Tickets without owners: http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/6

- Tickets marked as being critical/blockers:
http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/17

- Bugs specific to Internet Explorer: http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/20

- Tickets already assigned to you: https://dev.plone.org/plone/report/ 
7! (if you already have some, that is ;)

The "Plone Tune-Up Day" is a great opportunity for all to work  
together and discuss development tricks with influential Plonistas.

Come on over to #plone-tuneup on irc.freenode.net this Friday and help  
pump up Plone!

(If you want to use a web-based chat client, go to the Plone chat room  
page at http://plone.org/support/chat and enter "/j plone-tuneup" to  
join the tune-up room once you're logged in)

Thanks,
Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker
COO and Co-Founder
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[Alex Clark-2]

Hi Gabrielle,

On 2008-07-24, Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker <gabrielle@...> wrote:
> The Plone community invites all Plone and Python developers to join  
> the very first "Plone Tune-Up Rally" event on Friday afternoon, July  
> 25th, 2008.
>
> "Plone Tune-Up Rally" is an event that happens every other Friday  
> afternoon and aims at addressing tickets in the Plone issue tracker  
> and advancing Plone in general.

Hot! Very exciting.

> This Friday's event will be hosted by the good people at Six Feet Up —http://www.sixfeetup.com 
>   — and we encourage all developers in the Plone Community to  
> participate and contribute as much as they want and can for a few  
> hours each month. The hosts will be present from 2pm-6pm (14:00-18:00)  
> EDT, but don't let that stop you if you are in a different time zone!

Hmmm, is there a schedule or mechanism in place for others to host
future tune-ups?

> The current lists of tickets that need some immediate attention are:
>
> - Tickets without owners: http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/6
>
> - Tickets marked as being critical/blockers:
> http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/17
>
> - Bugs specific to Internet Explorer: http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/20
>
> - Tickets already assigned to you: https://dev.plone.org/plone/report/ 
> 7! (if you already have some, that is ;)
>
> The "Plone Tune-Up Day" is a great opportunity for all to work  
> together and discuss development tricks with influential Plonistas.
>
> Come on over to #plone-tuneup on irc.freenode.net this Friday and help  
> pump up Plone!
>
> (If you want to use a web-based chat client, go to the Plone chat room  
> page at http://plone.org/support/chat and enter "/j plone-tuneup" to  
> join the tune-up room once you're logged in)

Thanks for coordinating this, I will try to stop by and tune Plone! ;-)

> Thanks,
> Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker
> COO and Co-Founder
> --
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> Midwest: [phone] x601
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[Andreas Zeidler]

Alex Clark wrote:

> On 2008-07-24, Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker <gabrielle@...> wrote:
>> The Plone community invites all Plone and Python developers to join  
>> the very first "Plone Tune-Up Rally" event on Friday afternoon, July  
>> 25th, 2008.
>>
>> "Plone Tune-Up Rally" is an event that happens every other Friday  
>> afternoon and aims at addressing tickets in the Plone issue tracker  
>> and advancing Plone in general.
>
> Hot! Very exciting.

i'd generally agree this is a good thing to have, but i must have missed
  the remaining discussion leading up to this announcement.  afaik there
was no significant conclusion after alex's summary post (in the "party
like it's 2004" thread).  did you continue discussing this somewhere
else or how were the decisions regarding the schedule made?

please don't get me wrong here, but what warrants a widely posted
announcement on behalf of the "plone community", especially when there
seemed to be some agreement to do something like this two weeks before
the next packaging deadline and, more importantly, _not_ on weekends?

while i don't really mind if it's one or two weeks in advance, or even
one week and a weekend :), i think doing this on a friday is a really
bad idea.  even more so if it's scheduled for afternoon in a u.s. time.
  this means friday night for europeans, so chances are very few of us
will be able to attend... :(

i really would have liked to help in a coordinated effort and was
actually looking forward to reviving bug days, but like this there's no
way i can make it and i suspect this this will also hold for more people
over here.

cheers,


andi

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[Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker]

Hi Alex!

On Jul 24, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Alex Clark wrote:

> Hi Gabrielle,
>
> On 2008-07-24, Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker <gabrielle@...>  
> wrote:
>> The Plone community invites all Plone and Python developers to join
>> the very first "Plone Tune-Up Rally" event on Friday afternoon, July
>> 25th, 2008.
>>
>> "Plone Tune-Up Rally" is an event that happens every other Friday
>> afternoon and aims at addressing tickets in the Plone issue tracker
>> and advancing Plone in general.
>
> Hot! Very exciting.
>
>> This Friday's event will be hosted by the good people at Six Feet  
>> Up —http://www.sixfeetup.com
>>  — and we encourage all developers in the Plone Community to
>> participate and contribute as much as they want and can for a few
>> hours each month. The hosts will be present from 2pm-6pm  
>> (14:00-18:00)
>> EDT, but don't let that stop you if you are in a different time zone!
>
> Hmmm, is there a schedule or mechanism in place for others to host
> future tune-ups?

GHP: Feel free to simply announce it on the Plone.org site and via the  
mailing lists. Anybody interested in leading a "Tune-Up" event is  
welcome to use the #plone-tuneup room on irc.freenode.net.

>
>
>> The current lists of tickets that need some immediate attention are:
>>
>> - Tickets without owners: http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/6
>>
>> - Tickets marked as being critical/blockers:
>> http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/17
>>
>> - Bugs specific to Internet Explorer: http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/20
>>
>> - Tickets already assigned to you: https://dev.plone.org/plone/ 
>> report/
>> 7! (if you already have some, that is ;)
>>
>> The "Plone Tune-Up Day" is a great opportunity for all to work
>> together and discuss development tricks with influential Plonistas.
>>
>> Come on over to #plone-tuneup on irc.freenode.net this Friday and  
>> help
>> pump up Plone!
>>
>> (If you want to use a web-based chat client, go to the Plone chat  
>> room
>> page at http://plone.org/support/chat and enter "/j plone-tuneup" to
>> join the tune-up room once you're logged in)
>
> Thanks for coordinating this, I will try to stop by and tune  
> Plone! ;-)

GHP: We look forward to seeing you on irc!

>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker
>> COO and Co-Founder
>> --
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>>
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[Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker]

Hi Andi!


On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:04 AM, Andreas Zeidler wrote:

> Alex Clark wrote:
>> On 2008-07-24, Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker <gabrielle@...>  
>> wrote:
>>> The Plone community invites all Plone and Python developers to join
>>> the very first "Plone Tune-Up Rally" event on Friday afternoon, July
>>> 25th, 2008.
>>>
>>> "Plone Tune-Up Rally" is an event that happens every other Friday
>>> afternoon and aims at addressing tickets in the Plone issue tracker
>>> and advancing Plone in general.
>>
>> Hot! Very exciting.
>
> i'd generally agree this is a good thing to have, but i must have  
> missed
>  the remaining discussion leading up to this announcement.  afaik  
> there
> was no significant conclusion after alex's summary post (in the "party
> like it's 2004" thread).  did you continue discussing this somewhere
> else or how were the decisions regarding the schedule made?

GHP: When we saw the "party like it's 2004" email, we had already been  
talking about dedicating some of our development time to advance Plone  
on some Friday afternoons. So we responded to Limi saying we were  
going to hold a first "Tune-Up" event today, and he helped announcing  
it. There really wasn't much discussion about it.
>
> please don't get me wrong here, but what warrants a widely posted
> announcement on behalf of the "plone community", especially when there
> seemed to be some agreement to do something like this two weeks before
> the next packaging deadline and, more importantly, _not_ on weekends?

GHP: Anybody is welcome to host/lead a "Tune-Up" event. We at Six Feet  
Up have time for this on some Friday afternoons. If you have time over  
the weekend or at any other time, please go ahead and schedule more  
"Tune-Ups". I think we all agree that the more events like this one,  
the better for Plone.
>
>
> while i don't really mind if it's one or two weeks in advance, or even
> one week and a weekend :), i think doing this on a friday is a really
> bad idea.  even more so if it's scheduled for afternoon in a u.s.  
> time.
>  this means friday night for europeans, so chances are very few of us
> will be able to attend... :(

GHP: It is going to be really hard for an international community of  
developers to agree on one timeframe. Some people need to take the  
lead and say "I'll be working on Plone on <insert date and time>" and  
this will help rally the troops.
>
>
> i really would have liked to help in a coordinated effort and was
> actually looking forward to reviving bug days, but like this there's  
> no
> way i can make it and i suspect this this will also hold for more  
> people
> over here.

GHP: The "Plone Tune-Up Rally" concept is for all to share. Just go  
ahead and coordinate a "Tune-Up" event that will work for you.

>
>
> cheers,
>
>
> andi
>
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[Alexander Limi]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:04:33 -0700, Andreas Zeidler  
<az@...> wrote:

> please don't get me wrong here, but what warrants a widely posted
> announcement on behalf of the "plone community", especially when there
> seemed to be some agreement to do something like this two weeks before
> the next packaging deadline and, more importantly, _not_ on weekends?

Yeah, I made similar comments about timing etc, but I didn't want to block  
the energy behind this effort just because it didn't fit the discussed  
schedule. And it lead to quite a number of bugs getting fixed, so I think  
it was worth it, and a good inaugural new-style bug day. :)

> while i don't really mind if it's one or two weeks in advance, or even
> one week and a weekend :), i think doing this on a friday is a really
> bad idea.  even more so if it's scheduled for afternoon in a u.s. time.
>   this means friday night for europeans, so chances are very few of us
> will be able to attend... :(

I agree, I think it should be moved to be earlier in the week next time,  
and be a bit better timed with the releases. I wanted to see how the Six  
Feet Up crew did with as few road blocks as possible, and I think they did  
well. We can adjust the timing on the coming events.

> i really would have liked to help in a coordinated effort and was
> actually looking forward to reviving bug days, but like this there's no
> way i can make it and i suspect this this will also hold for more people
> over here.

Consider this a beta test of a new bug day approach that doesn't have me  
as a bottleneck. :)

The intention of this was two-fold:

a) Test out a re-branding of "bug days" to something people are more  
excited about. Make it more about improvements, less about "fixing bugs" —  
even though it comes down to the same thing.

b) Make it a known event that can be hosted by any team of volunteers, so  
I'm not the limiting factor. If anyone else wants to help out, let us  
know. I'm hoping we can count on SFU for the next couple of events, but  
ideally this should be hosted by more than one group of people over time.

The important thing is that a lot of bugs got fixed, and people knew about  
the event — so I consider it a success. Let's try to time it a bit better  
for everyone next time — I agree that Friday isn't the best day for this,  
and we should try to time it two weeks before the continuing mantenance  
releases.

Thanks to Gabrielle and Calvin and the Six Feet Up crew for helping out  
with this!

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[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Alexander Limi wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:04:33 -0700, Andreas Zeidler  
> <az@...> wrote:
>
> > please don't get me wrong here, but what warrants a widely posted
> > announcement on behalf of the "plone community", especially when there
> > seemed to be some agreement to do something like this two weeks before
> > the next packaging deadline and, more importantly, _not_ on weekends?
>
> Yeah, I made similar comments about timing etc, but I didn't want to block  
> the energy behind this effort just because it didn't fit the discussed  
> schedule. And it lead to quite a number of bugs getting fixed, so I think  
> it was worth it, and a good inaugural new-style bug day. :)
>
> > while i don't really mind if it's one or two weeks in advance, or even
> > one week and a weekend :), i think doing this on a friday is a really
> > bad idea.  even more so if it's scheduled for afternoon in a u.s. time.
> >   this means friday night for europeans, so chances are very few of us
> > will be able to attend... :(
>
> I agree, I think it should be moved to be earlier in the week next time,  
> and be a bit better timed with the releases. I wanted to see how the Six  
> Feet Up crew did with as few road blocks as possible, and I think they did  
> well. We can adjust the timing on the coming events.

The 6'up crew did put a lot of energy into it, but from what I remember
from the commit message they were the only ones participating. I think
this proves Andreas'es points.

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[Alexander Limi]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:43:03 -0700, Wichert Akkerman  
<wichert@...> wrote:

> The 6'up crew did put a lot of energy into it, but from what I remember
> from the commit message they were the only ones participating. I think
> this proves Andreas'es points.

Not true; see Gabrielle's post on the subject. We'll try to get the day  
moved earlier in the week, however.

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[Andreas Zeidler]

Alexander Limi wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:04:33 -0700, Andreas Zeidler <az@...> wrote:
>> please don't get me wrong here, but what warrants a widely posted
>> announcement on behalf of the "plone community", especially when there
>> seemed to be some agreement to do something like this two weeks before
>> the next packaging deadline and, more importantly, _not_ on weekends?
>
> Yeah, I made similar comments about timing etc, but I didn't want to block  
> the energy behind this effort just because it didn't fit the discussed  
> schedule. And it lead to quite a number of bugs getting fixed, so I think  
> it was worth it, and a good inaugural new-style bug day. :)

fair enough, and i surely didn't want to sound too negative.  i do
appreciate the effort.  but after the last not so successful attempts on
doing bug days, i think we need to try to get as many people involved
and also focus on just one regular event instead of potentially many
(the name doesn't matter that much to me, btw).

so if this is to be the "official" plone community effort —- and the
announcement did indeed sound that way -- i think we should very soon
find a schedule that suites as many developers as possible and then
stick to it.  moving things around and announcing follow-up event one by
one, potentially with differing schedules, won't get us far...

i know it's possible for me and other to host our own "tune-up rally" as
  gabrielle pointed out elsewhere, but imo this will only lead to
scattered events with only a handful of people showing up (if at all)
and the same outcome we've seen before, i.e. discontinued.

perhaps it's only me, but i don't think the (active) community is big
enough just yet to be able to have various events of this type.  instead
we should focus on one and try to make it work for more people.  iow,
let's continue the discussion we started and come to a conclusion...

in that sense, here's another idea:  if we are to have bi-weekly events,
how about alternating their times to better suite the two main (sets of)
time zones and perhaps also make them a bit longer so people from "the
other side" can still join in?

iow, let's fix the schedule and stick to it so everybody knows well in
advance an can plan accordingly.  sounds a bit lame, but afaics most of
us are way too busy these days to be spontaneous... :)  in addition, we
should make an effort to find people to host these for say the next 3
months for a start...

> I wanted to see how the Six  
> Feet Up crew did with as few road blocks as possible, and I think they did  
> well.

i can see the point, but still think it would have been —- or let's say
would be :) -- much better to have a coordinated effort instead of
someone just trying out something in the middle of an ongoing
discussion.  like i said, i do appreciate gabrielle and calvin's
efforts, but would have liked them to let at least briefly bring up and
discuss their plans here before making an announcement (in the name of
"the plone community").

cheers,


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