[Plone-NGOs] New member introduction - Sam Knox

[Sam Knox]

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Hi all –

 

Just thought I’d introduce myself and the work I’m doing, though I’ve been reading this list for a few weeks now. My name is Sam Knox and I work at ONE/Northwest as a sort of jack-of-many-trades. I tend to focus on end-user documentation of Plone, Plone training sessions for our clients, and some customization. Most recently a group of collaborators and I have launched the website learnplone.org. There is our ‘skinned’ version at http://learnplone.onenw.org and the ‘unskinned’ version is at http://learnplone.org .

 

Most of the documentation is very end-user, with fairly low technical know-how, which is perfect for the clients we serve. If any of you are interested in contributing to the site, please contact me and I can get you in the loop. Also, any feedback you have about the site would be very welcome.

 

 

Sam Knox

Project Associate

206-286-1235 x21

ONE/Northwest

 

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[Steve McMahon]

Hi Sam,

I just wanted to take the opportunity to say how much I've admired the
work you've done on learnplone.org. It's a great contribution to the
community! We've been using your videos in particular for training at
the Davis Community Network (Davis, CA). Folks love them!

Best wishes, Steve McMahon

Sam Knox wrote:

> Hi all –
>
>  
>
> Just thought I’d introduce myself and the work I’m doing, though I’ve
> been reading this list for a few weeks now. My name is Sam Knox and I
> work at ONE/Northwest as a sort of jack-of-many-trades. I tend to focus
> on end-user documentation of Plone, Plone training sessions for our
> clients, and some customization. Most recently a group of collaborators
> and I have launched the website learnplone.org. There is our ‘skinned’
> version at http://learnplone.onenw.org <http://learnplone.onenw.org/>
> and the ‘unskinned’ version is at http://learnplone.org 
> <http://learnplone.org/> .
>
>  
>
> Most of the documentation is very end-user, with fairly low technical
> know-how, which is perfect for the clients we serve. If any of you are
> interested in contributing to the site, please contact me and I can get
> you in the loop. Also, any feedback you have about the site would be
> very welcome.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Sam Knox
>
> Project Associate
>
> 206-286-1235 x21
>
> ONE/Northwest <http://www.onenw.org/>
>
>  
>
>
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>
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[Martin Aspeli-2]

Steve McMahon wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> I just wanted to take the opportunity to say how much I've admired the
> work you've done on learnplone.org. It's a great contribution to the
> community! We've been using your videos in particular for training at
> the Davis Community Network (Davis, CA). Folks love them!

Speaking of learnplone.org, I really wish that some of that material
would make it into plone.org/documentation proper. We have an end user
manual, which is fairly basic and needs updating (and probably will need
some semi-regular maintenance, at least a push each version).

The docs team are working up ways to keep such "main" documentation up
to date and accessible. Your content would probably help a lot, but it'd
also take some input from your end to make it over.

Martin


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[Curtis M Carlson]

Hey Sam,

Curtis from KPPC.  Great job on 'learn plone'  seeing these screen
casts turned out to be the deciding point for me to through my hat into
the Plone ring for our organization.  The screencasts truly helped me
decide that the simplicity of the plone interface was going to be easy
enough for our managers and engineers (Pollution Prevention and Energy
Efficiency Engineers not Computer Science Engineers) to manage.  Thank
you for your hard work...keep it up.

Glad to be in good company!

Curtis

Curtis M Carlson
KPPC Website Coordinator
[hidden email]
502-852-1987
irc: #Plone: cmcarlson
aim: mountainshanshan
yahoo: shanmountian
msn: whitcrowmountain
----------------
Kentucky Pollution Prevention Center
(KPPC)
420 Lutz Hall
University of Louisville
Louisville KY 40292
1-800-334-8635
===============
"When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty, I only
think about how to solve the problem.  But when I have finished, if the
solution is not beautiful, I know it's wrong."
--Buckminster Fuller--


>>> "Sam Knox" <[hidden email]> 01-11-2007 9:25 PM >>>
Hi all -

 

Just thought I'd introduce myself and the work I'm doing, though I've
been reading this list for a few weeks now. My name is Sam Knox and I
work at ONE/Northwest as a sort of jack-of-many-trades. I tend to
focus
on end-user documentation of Plone, Plone training sessions for our
clients, and some customization. Most recently a group of
collaborators
and I have launched the website learnplone.org. There is our 'skinned'
version at http://learnplone.onenw.org <http://learnplone.onenw.org/>
and the 'unskinned' version is at http://learnplone.org 
<http://learnplone.org/>  .

 

Most of the documentation is very end-user, with fairly low technical
know-how, which is perfect for the clients we serve. If any of you are
interested in contributing to the site, please contact me and I can
get
you in the loop. Also, any feedback you have about the site would be
very welcome.

 

 

Sam Knox

Project Associate

206-286-1235 x21

ONE/Northwest <http://www.onenw.org/>

 


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[Curtis M Carlson]

Hey Martin,

Didn't know if you knew, but there is a project underway to revamp the
Plone Documentation.

They are in the throws of reworking the doc section and are collecting
the "what is wrong with plone documentation" material right now.

Check out the below mentioned link:

http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-documentation/project-home 

Peace,
Curtis

ps I want to seem more screen-casts too.

Curtis M Carlson
KPPC Website Coordinator
[hidden email]
502-852-1987
irc: #Plone: cmcarlson
aim: mountainshanshan
yahoo: shanmountian
msn: whitcrowmountain
----------------
Kentucky Pollution Prevention Center
(KPPC)
420 Lutz Hall
University of Louisville
Louisville KY 40292
1-800-334-8635
===============
"When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty, I only
think about how to solve the problem.  But when I have finished, if the
solution is not beautiful, I know it's wrong."
--Buckminster Fuller--


>>> Martin Aspeli <[hidden email]> 01-12-2007 3:43 AM >>>
Steve McMahon wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> I just wanted to take the opportunity to say how much I've admired
the
> work you've done on learnplone.org. It's a great contribution to the

> community! We've been using your videos in particular for training at

> the Davis Community Network (Davis, CA). Folks love them!

Speaking of learnplone.org, I really wish that some of that material
would make it into plone.org/documentation proper. We have an end user

manual, which is fairly basic and needs updating (and probably will
need
some semi-regular maintenance, at least a push each version).

The docs team are working up ways to keep such "main" documentation up

to date and accessible. Your content would probably help a lot, but
it'd
also take some input from your end to make it over.

Martin


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[Martin Aspeli-2]

Curtis M Carlson wrote:

Hey Martin,

Didn't know if you knew, but there is a project underway to revamp the
Plone Documentation.

They are in the throws of reworking the doc section and are collecting
the "what is wrong with plone documentation" material right now.

Check out the below mentioned link:

http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-documentation/project-home 

Yes, I nominally run the documentation team, so I did know ;)

Christian is doing a great job of leading on this.

What's good is that *you* know, and I hope you'll be able to contribute.

Martin

[Curtis M Carlson]

Whoops, how embarrassing!!!!

I do apologize for not putting 2 and 2 together.

Yes I know about it, and have contributed and as you see I am trying to
encourage others to help out too.

Keep up the good work!!!

Curtis

>>> Martin Aspeli <[hidden email]> 01-12-2007 10:10 AM >>>



Curtis M Carlson wrote:
>
> Hey Martin,
>
> Didn't know if you knew, but there is a project underway to revamp
the
> Plone Documentation.
>
> They are in the throws of reworking the doc section and are
collecting
> the "what is wrong with plone documentation" material right now.
>
> Check out the below mentioned link:
>
> http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-documentation/project-home 
>

Yes, I nominally run the documentation team, so I did know ;)

Christian is doing a great job of leading on this.

What's good is that *you* know, and I hope you'll be able to
contribute.

Martin

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[Andrew Burkhalter]

On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:43 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote:

> Steve McMahon wrote:
>> Hi Sam,
>> I just wanted to take the opportunity to say how much I've admired  
>> the work you've done on learnplone.org. It's a great contribution  
>> to the community! We've been using your videos in particular for  
>> training at the Davis Community Network (Davis, CA). Folks love them!
>
> Speaking of learnplone.org, I really wish that some of that  
> material would make it into plone.org/documentation proper. We have  
> an end user manual, which is fairly basic and needs updating (and  
> probably will need some semi-regular maintenance, at least a push  
> each version).
>
> The docs team are working up ways to keep such "main" documentation  
> up to date and accessible. Your content would probably help a lot,  
> but it'd also take some input from your end to make it over.

Martin, et al.,

Thanks for your thoughts on this.  It's actually something I  
struggled a lot with when we were initially getting started, so I  
think all of us at ONE/Northwest and the broader team of LearnPloners  
would value from the discussion and input.

I laid out my thoughts on the subject at the following (it's 6 months  
old at this point, but still reflects the concerns):
http://learnplone.org/about/why-here/

For additional context, it's probably valuable to also read the  
general goals of the site:
http://learnplone.org/about/about-default/

Cheers,
Andrew




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[Martin Aspeli-2]

Curtis M Carlson wrote:
> Whoops, how embarrassing!!!!

Haha, no, I think it's great that you pointed it out.

> I do apologize for not putting 2 and 2 together.

Don't.

> Yes I know about it, and have contributed and as you see I am trying to
> encourage others to help out too.

Great! :)

Martin


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[Martin Aspeli-2]

Andrew,

> Thanks for your thoughts on this.  It's actually something I  
> struggled a lot with when we were initially getting started, so I  
> think all of us at ONE/Northwest and the broader team of LearnPloners  
> would value from the discussion and input.
>
> I laid out my thoughts on the subject at the following (it's 6 months  
> old at this point, but still reflects the concerns):
> http://learnplone.org/about/why-here/
>
> For additional context, it's probably valuable to also read the  
> general goals of the site:
> http://learnplone.org/about/about-default/

I think those are legitimate points, and I certainly am not trying to
criticise the way you went about it.

However, perhaps Plone.org and the docs section has grown since then and
is now ready for you?

In particular, I'm thinking about the work JoAnna started at:

http://plone.org/documentation/manual/end-user-manual

I think this would benefit hugely from being fleshed out with more
textual content, inline screencasts (you can upload files into a ref
manual) and whatever else. It's something we can structure into
arbitrary sections and pages, and it'd be a single resource. If we then
can also get some semi-regular commitment to *update it* as new Plone
versions come out, then suddenly we have something that's rather
impressive in the documentation arena.

Maybe one of your team would like to liaise with JoAnna and the rest of
the plone-docs list and identify what's movable and doable? I'm not
saying it's the only way forward, but it seems an obvious one to me
(granted, I haven't read that much of the learnplone materials so I may
be missing some subtleties).

Martin


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[Jon Stahl]

Martin Aspeli wrote:

Andrew,

> Thanks for your thoughts on this.  It's actually something I  
> struggled a lot with when we were initially getting started, so I  
> think all of us at ONE/Northwest and the broader team of LearnPloners  
> would value from the discussion and input.
>
> I laid out my thoughts on the subject at the following (it's 6 months  
> old at this point, but still reflects the concerns):
> http://learnplone.org/about/why-here/
>
> For additional context, it's probably valuable to also read the  
> general goals of the site:
> http://learnplone.org/about/about-default/

I think those are legitimate points, and I certainly am not trying to
criticise the way you went about it.

However, perhaps Plone.org and the docs section has grown since then and
is now ready for you?

In particular, I'm thinking about the work JoAnna started at:

http://plone.org/documentation/manual/end-user-manual

I think this would benefit hugely from being fleshed out with more
textual content, inline screencasts (you can upload files into a ref
manual) and whatever else. It's something we can structure into
arbitrary sections and pages, and it'd be a single resource. If we then
can also get some semi-regular commitment to *update it* as new Plone
versions come out, then suddenly we have something that's rather
impressive in the documentation arena.

Maybe one of your team would like to liaise with JoAnna and the rest of
the plone-docs list and identify what's movable and doable? I'm not
saying it's the only way forward, but it seems an obvious one to me
(granted, I haven't read that much of the learnplone materials so I may
be missing some subtleties).

Martin (et al.)

It is definitely our intention to bring the learnplone materials "closer to the core" of the Plone documentation effort (if that's what the Documentation Team wants).

At the time we started, there was no "official" Plone documentation section clearly targeted at end-users, nor could the docs support inlined screencasts, etc. etc.  

Those things are clearly changing for the better, and we rejoice. :-)

We will definitely keep in touch with what the Docs Team is doing, and will figure out when and how to most effectively inject LearnPlone.org content back into the mainstream.

best,
jon
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ONE/Northwest
(not really much of a contributor to learnplone)