Plone: Progressive

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Graham Perrin () Plone: Progressive
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A few thoughts, in no particular order...

Newcomers to <http://plone.org/> see that Plone is  mature, but may not realise how well development is progressing.

I agree that the plone.org home page is too busy, I recall (but can't relocate) the discussion about a change of layout. Let's assume for the moment that it remains unchanged. What might we have alongside 'Mature'?

<http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.teams.framework/1724/focus=1730> mentions the (currently insane) 'momentum'. Dictionary and thesaurus led from from there to momentous, impetus etc. but anything that suggests Plone as a moving target is not a great selling point. I wondered,  

... | Supported | Mature | Progressive

or

... | Supported | Mature | Modern

or whatever suits the group. Food for thought, maybe for when plone.org moves to Plone 3 <http://www.nabble.com/Time-to-move-plone.org-to-Plone-3--ts13502779s6747.html> and/or when plone.org is simplified <http://www.nabble.com/Simplifying-plone.org-ts14658294s6747.html>.

What to have under 'Progressive'?

<http://plone.org/events/2008-summit/next-actions-and-champions> is a great indicator of work in progress. At that page, I'd like:

> overview report

to become a heading, and for there to be anchors to

> Overview report

and to

> The focus areas

I find Trac reports such as <http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/10> more reliable (more manageable?) than <http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap>.

For example, the roadmap omits PLIP 187 (I don't know about other related PLIPs) — that's a realism, not a criticism. I understand that roadmaps etc. may take a back seat — as if the Framework Team have nothing better to do with their time at the moment ;)

At Plone | Standards Compliant | Plays Well with Others | and thereabouts we have the shortlists, but no links for people to discover *how* Plone plays with LDAP, WebDAV etc..

For each one of these listed items, I'd like a link to a _very short_ page that outlines

 1. the status quo
 2. work in progress
 3. acknowledged wishes that are not yet work in progress.

For each short page:

 a. one champion
 b. two proxies
 c. a timeline for future edits.

The last three are a joke, by the way. I know how much we all love additional procedures to be crow-barred into our spare time :)

I'll happily champion (author/edit) one or more _short_ pages, but critically:

 * I don't mind other people editing what I write
 * I do find it wasteful when original thoughts are lost
 * so I'll prefer to await Plone 3 with versioning/history.

Regards
Graham
Graham Perrin () Re: Plone: Progressive
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Oops ... I pressed 'Post' instead of 'Preview', I hope that message was finished!

If I have any changes to what I drafted, I'll make them at <http://www.nabble.com/Plone%3A-Progressive-ts15606540s6747.html>.
Graham Perrin () Keeping up with it all: documentation to match the sometimes overwhelming momentum of Plone
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grahamperrin wrote:
Now, I remember why I started writing that message!

Reading things like, <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.plone.teams.framework/1672/focus=1680>

>> I'm at a loss

and

> The obvious

so soon after

guilty as charged (seriously, i find it almost insane how much momentum plone is experiencing at the moment... i really have trouble keeping up with it all... but then again: what a truly great problem  
to have
I'm reminded that no matter how great the momentum, it's so important to have matching documentation — online.

FWIW I gain much more from images than from words alone. So: ping me on IRC if ever you want screenshots to support documentation, I'll be happy to oblige.  

I have cc'd myself at <http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7834>, <http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7835>, <http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7836> and other relevant tickets.

Looking forward to Plone 3 for plone.org :)

Regards
Graham