Passed Resolution

[rsewell]

Ok, Let's look at your list. Before I go into it point by point I will say this, Yes the RCA job sucks. We've all been through it. Some have forgotten what it's like, others haven't . There are resolutions that deal with subs that I'll be posting later. It's one thing to asspose sub rights, it's another to aquire them. The point is that it takes two to negotiate, as I said before, If the PO says no and the the Arbitrator doesn't change anything then what do you expect to happen. As to get outside leadersip to the Union, that is the last thing you want. Do you really want someone who doesn't know what our pay system is much less how it works?

1. This I know. I've been there, done that, and defended a subs right to do it. However, I remind you that you get paid extra for doing extra duties. Regulars don't.

2.How does this differ on how Regulars deal with management? Trust me when I say this, it doesn't get any better when you become regular.

3. A PMR can not just arbitrarily loan you out to another office. Neither can anbody else in managemet for that matter. Also, If you are needed in your office, you shouldn't be loaned out anyway.

4. Again, how does this differ from what regulars have to do. How do you think PT, Myself, Becky, and others have ammassed the knowledge of what we know.

5. Try being a steward sometime, Here is a job where you have to be a diplomat moreso than the regular employee does. (By regular employee, I am reffering to both Regular carriers and subs) Many of us have had grievances that would help the subs but hurt the Regulars of vice versa. But it all boils down to what the contract reads and it's not fun to tell the losing party that it's the way it has to be.

6. Not all state officers are stewards. By the same token, not all Assistant State stewards are State Officers. What you have to realize is that there is a chain of command in any circumstance. Assistant State Stewards answer to the State Steward who answers to the Director of Labor Relations or the Director of Steward Operations (Currently Joey Johnson and Ronnie Stutts respectivelly).

Are we perfect? No but, the fight keeps going.

[rsewell]

Show me a Union where their officers salaries are tied to the rank and file's. I bet you'd be hard pressed to find one.

As I look a you laundry list of what is wrong with our Union, I can only say that if you can do better then step up and get elected. It's long past time to be sitting on the sidelines. Either run for delegate or run for office. Either way, do something. I don't go to this meeting to be a reporter for the online community. I do this because I'm tired of sitting back and letting this continue and quitting the union only makes the good ole boys that much stronger.

Ever consider why other unions have winning records. Trust me when I say that it's not the strength of their officers. It's the fact that they have every member behind them and helping them out every step of the way. Whether it's gathering evidence for a grievance or data for negotiations.

As far as having to give something up? Take a look around. The airlines had to renegotiate thier contracts and lost a lot in give backs on insurance and healthcare costs. How many Unions in the private sector have a no layoff clause in their contracts? More and more Unions have been takin hits lately on givebacks just to keep companies from going under.

Could things be better, you bet. But, tying their salaries to ours evaluations (since the salary chart has not decreased so it ) guarantees nothing. I reccommend that if you don't like the job they are doing, get yourself into a position to vote them out.

[*SUPERsub*]

Well Ron ...you know i have to be the voice of dissent. BUT...you are right when you say other unions have given things up too...they have...but have they given up almost everything? All I am saying is with us its one step forward and two steps back...ALWAYS! And I honestly DO NOT beleive that strength of the officers DOES NOT play a roll. It absolutely has too...

One thing our union could do...Is to spend time teaching new hires their rights...if they join the union ...they should receive a welcome pack or SOMETHING...explaining the system. THey will NEVER get 100% of the subs and regulars at all union meetings...so why not get rid of some of the big whoppee Dos they throw for their buddies...and spend some money making sure people are more informed? maybe other than having just stews they could have someone in almost every office...a memeber mind you...to ADVISE...

You tell me to get elected and change things...and i say...you shouldnt have to...those we elect should remember first and foremost who they represent. I do agree..its frustrating...Pt had a good idea with the delegate awareness...and very few even looked at it. So i do get the point you are trying to make about apathy of the craft. But just because we are that way doesnt mean the higher ups should take it upon themselves to use the old..."they dont give a crap, why should we" school of thought...there are some that DO care...but those that do are not responsible for the lack of participation of those that dont...and nothing YOU or I can do will change them.

[*SUPERsub*]

OH...and i never once said that it was ALL union officials...there are those...LIKE YOU...that take the time to inform others of whats going on....

BUt have you seen any other posts...or attempts by delegates or officers to share any information what so ever? NO>>>cause they arent there...I did see a few on rootsweb and delphi....but for the amount of delegates that went to the Convention...its a pitiful few...and THe officers should be the first to say...YOU all took the spots here...recieved UNION funds paid by your locals to attend...make yourselves accountable for what you done while you was here! Lead by example.

[*Dixie*]

I wish those who make the decisions remembered the "little people" they are suppose to be representing. Ron, I applaud ur effort in keeping us informed about the happenings on a national level. I am hoping that the carriers as a group are getting more informed and coming to the realization of where our careers are heading. Thanks to the internet/this msg board/and people who care we are hopefully becoming a more informed group, tired of the pish-posh and standing up for our rights to mgmt. If we don't speak up who will. Thanks guys!

[ctrr03]

Well Ron,   maybe there would not be as much apathy and perhaps even more participation if the NRLCA could WIN us something once in a while.  The problem, as I see it, is that all the NRLCA seems to do is give in to management.   Well, in the 18 years I've been in the post office, really, what has the NRLCA won?   Why is it that even when a grievance is won, it takes forever to get the settlement.  Yet, there is NEVER any interest paid for this waiting time.    Sure, people take a why bother attitude, but it's only because they know that nothing will get done about situations and management knows this.    Look at the past count.  Management changed the rules whenever they felt like it.   Funny how  the count gauges were supposed to be considered correct by both management AND the NRLCA.   Yet, carriers in my office got screwd out of flat credit because for that piece, management decided the gauge wasn't accurate.    Yes, we filed a class action grievance, but somewhere along the line it got dumped.   So,   a "why bother" attitude develops.   The only way that the apathy is going to stop and to get carriers interested in the nrlca is for them to actually start representing us and to stop giving in to the post office every time.  No more MOUs that give away the farm.  It's really time the NRLCA starts to act like a union and not the postal lap dogs they are.

[scrwd]

Why do you work for the post office supersub? you are so unhappy there.  I have been with the po for quite awhile and while things are not what i wish they were I make over 60k per year plus ema on a 46k that i average 40-48 actual work hrs per week I did not go to college and was a C-D student in high school I get great health benefits job security and 20 (soon 26) days of vacation days a  year I understand as a sub you dont get this but i was a sub for years too but i think im doing pretty good

[*SUPERsub*]

Hello....Who said anything about being unhappy? Once again I will say....IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU GET< YOU DESERVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU GET!

SO just because someone thinks we need change..and reform of the way things are you think they should quit..or bury their head under a rock or what exactly? I guess now you are gonna tell me you are quite happy with your EMA? And your quite happy with your job security and the job the union is doing protecting it for you? If you are thats just DANDY...Hope you continue to be so content.

It sounds to me tho like you are kind of fuzzy on the RCA benefits thing tho..since you are a regular carrier...it dont apply to you so why bother finding out the ways they are getting it stuck to them. While most of it is just the way things are...I Knew exactly what the job was when i took it...we can always hope for change with the system. If the PO wants to continue to get good help..they are gonna have to compete...and most RCAs are working 40+ hours anyway...and been there several years...they need some incentive to continue to stay...cause the reg spot is going to be an elusive thing to chase.

[DisGruntled]

Supersub, for the record I understand and sympathize with your complaints.  Some things are worse for today's subs and some things are better for them than they were when I hired on as a sub around the time of Reagan's inauguration.  At the time and even now, couldn't beat the hourly pay anywhere else in the area,  or the fact that the Nat. Agreement did allow for some rights.  Granted there have been many changes and with many more to come, however the future outlook for the workforce in the country seems to have become, shall we say, rather bleak.  Might want to hang on to what you got and actively participate in trying to change the things that you don't agree with.  Begin by going to your district meetings plus run for Nat. Delegate.

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everybody knows....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U

[*SUPERsub*]

once again...I dont consider these complaints...call them observations if you will...I have no intentions of relinquishing what i got...but neither do i need it to continue to get by. MY sole intention...and that of some of the others who have posted was to make a point...which i think I have done. I do attend district meetings...and area ones as well...And if i do stick around..I think you might be hearing my big mouth at some of the large conventions. All my goal is ....IS to get other RCAS to look around ...and get involved...if they do that...well then Im happy! I think you can incite some change just by letting people know whats going on...

[yellowjeep]

SUP....DO IT!  what this union desperately needs is more righteous indignation!  From time to time, there have been outspoken RCA delegates at national conventions -- who grabbed the mike and stirred the pot... clarified RCA issues that were being discussed... even helped pass resolutions that made it into the contract... there is certainly room in the seas of mediocrity for someone with a big mouth!

Knowledge is power! You want the best revenge for being treated badly??  Keep going to union meetings and raising hell and learn all you can in the process.  Then, run for steward -- get the union to train you, and then the PO will have to pay you to tell them what they are doing wrong!  RCAs get paid steward time (on a green card) just like any other work-- managers will have to treat you as their equal when you meet with them as the steward -- the regulars will have to come to you about their grievances -- you will learn a lot, and you can pass it on...

[K Carrier]

Looks like this thread has turn in to why we need to just go hourly and get paid for what time we actually spend doing this JOB! By the way if I take a cut from PO so should NRLCA leaders from those that got cut because of there shitty job in representing us in arbitration! After all what are you paying them for, negotiating you a pay cut, they want it tied to our increase so it should go both way may be they just might not make me carrier all those DHL parcels "MOU" now for nothing if it cost them something too! Time has come to get paid for what I have to actually do not what some other carrier doesn't have to do! Averaging thats all the evaluated system is anymore nothing more nothing less! It's time has come and gone!

PS YES These resolution are just a waste of time each year the should be done only once right before the contract is set to expire! Cause the same ones or one just like them come up every year and they mean absolutely nothing then! Even then they mean very little it just a wish list!

[K Carrier]

 Quote from rsewell
"Do you really want someone who doesn't know what our pay system is much less how it works?"  

Would that really be any different than what we have now! Sure seems like what we have now, evidently don't understand it either anymore!