PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond
|
|
|
Hi *,
within the scope of google summer of code I am integrating zope 3's PAU with Plone's PAS and further enable (non-AT) content objects as source for users and groups. All functionality is developed in pure zope3, the plone integration is happening in a separate packages. All documents describing the project, as well as links to the code can be found here: https://chaoflow.net/projects/gsoc2008/z3membrane-ldap The code is not very interesting right now, but now would be the time to take any influence on what will be created during the next month - I am planning to continue to work on the project after the SoC. I will keep you updated on major advancements of the code. regards florian ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 _______________________________________________ Plone-developers mailing list Plone-developers@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-developers |
||||||||
attachment0 (204 bytes)
|
|
||||||||
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Florian Friesdorf wrote: > > Hi *, > > > > within the scope of google summer of code I am integrating zope 3's PAU with > > Plone's PAS and further enable (non-AT) content objects as source for users and > > groups. All functionality is developed in pure zope3, the plone integration is > > happening in a separate packages. > > > > All documents describing the project, as well as links to the code can be found > > here: > > > > https://chaoflow.net/projects/gsoc2008/z3membrane-ldap > > The one thing I am missing is: why? - PAU is way more pythonic and cleaner than PAS/PlonePAS, it is easier to write stuff for PAU; - we should use as much as possible of Zope3 and avoid custom solutions, increasing the mutual benefit of all Zope3-based projects. I am writing a PlonePAS plugin, that makes the world of PAU available to Plone, i.e. we can profit from whatever is available for PAU right now and becomes available in the future. Further, I am enabling pure zope3 content as source for users and groups, not only usable for Plone, but for all Zope3-based projects. And the resulting code is cleaner and easier to maintain and understand. For me, it is more a question of: why not? > PAS works fine and covers a lot more functionality than PAU and there are more > PAS plugins than PAU plugins. PAU is doing things different than PlonePAS/PAS, but I don't see how the current functionality of PlonePAS/PAS could not be achieved with PAU? Yes, there are a lot more plugins for PAS than for PAU, but that does not contradict, writing another PAS plugin, that makes all future auth plugin writing easier. Whether PAU could/should replace PlonePAS/PAS at some point, is a completely different story. > It's also perfectly possible to use non-AT content as source for users > with PAS as well as tools such as b-org demonstrate. At least, two months ago, when I started with my project, membrane did not support non-AT content and I don't know of any other project doing it; b-org is all archetypes. florian ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 _______________________________________________ Plone-developers mailing list Plone-developers@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-developers |
||||||||
|
|
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 05:01:49PM -0400, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Previously Florian Friesdorf wrote: > >> Hi *, > >> > >> within the scope of google summer of code I am integrating zope 3's PAU with > >> Plone's PAS and further enable (non-AT) content objects as source for users and > >> groups. All functionality is developed in pure zope3, the plone integration is > >> happening in a separate packages. > >> > >> All documents describing the project, as well as links to the code can be found > >> here: > >> > >> https://chaoflow.net/projects/gsoc2008/z3membrane-ldap > > > > The one thing I am missing is: why? PAS works fine and covers a lot more > > functionality than PAU and there are more PAS plugins than PAU plugins. > > It's also perfectly possible to use non-AT content as source for users > > with PAS as well as tools such as b-org demonstrate. > > Exactly. I don't mean to pee on anybody's parade here, but IMHO Wichert > is right. To be constructive, I think it'd be much more interesting to > investigate hooking Plone up to an external authentication mechanism > such as repoze.who. and groups! On that base it was accepted as a GSOC project for Plone. The original idea was to extend membrane; after looking into it more closely, my mentor (Jens W. Klein) and me agreed, that doing it from scratch, using PAU is easier, future plugin writing will be easier and the whole Zope3 community could benefit from it, too. That is why the original proposal was discussed only on plone-dev and why I sent the mail now to zope-dev as well. Nobody has to use it later ;) but the circle of people who could benefit from my project, if they would like to, is definitely bigger doing it via PAU. And those people who want non-AT content-based users and groups, will get a fully functional PAU as well, which again they don't need to use for anything further, if they don't want to... florian ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 _______________________________________________ Plone-developers mailing list Plone-developers@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-developers |
||||||||
|
--On 11. Juli 2008 18:04:16 -0700 Florian Friesdorf <flo@...> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> Previously Florian Friesdorf wrote: >> > Hi *, >> > >> > within the scope of google summer of code I am integrating zope 3's >> > PAU with Plone's PAS and further enable (non-AT) content objects as >> > source for users and groups. All functionality is developed in pure >> > zope3, the plone integration is happening in a separate packages. >> > >> > All documents describing the project, as well as links to the code can >> > be found here: >> > >> > https://chaoflow.net/projects/gsoc2008/z3membrane-ldap >> >> The one thing I am missing is: why? > > Well, Zope moved onwards from PAS to PAU and I think Plone should too, > because: >- PAU is way more pythonic and cleaner than PAS/PlonePAS, it is > easier to write stuff for PAU; We have to maintain APIs that we were using for a long time for the sake of backward compatibility (for the sake of plone users and the sake of plone PAS developers). I want API stability. I don't want to change my code just because someone means that a layer would be nice. We already have enough various spots in side Plone where you have at least two choice for implementing things with different technologies..please not yet another such spot. Andreas > - we should use as much as possible of Zope3 and avoid custom solutions, > increasing the mutual benefit of all Zope3-based projects. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 _______________________________________________ Plone-developers mailing list Plone-developers@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-developers |
||||||||
|
|
||||||||
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
--On 13. Juli 2008 19:38:01 +0300 Mark Hammond <mhammond@...> wrote: > >> Since Zope3 is not a successor to Zope2 but a >> completely different thing I do not think this is problematic. > > That too seems a shame to me. So if I found myself with an investment in > Zope2 but was looking to the future, Zope3 will not even *attempt* to > provide a smoother path for me than, say, moving to django or another > alternative framework? How about GROK? > > I guess the fact the first 4 letters of "zope2" and "zope3" being the same > did imply some sense of continuation in at least *some* things... That's reason why the term "zope 3" should be phased out and replaced with "Zope web components" or something similar. You're not the only one being confused by this. -aj ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 _______________________________________________ Plone-developers mailing list Plone-developers@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-developers |
||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
| Free Forum Powered by Nabble | Forum Help |