New wiki

[Robert Leverington]

Hi,

As agreed I have set up a new wiki on DogFish [1], originally I was
going to wait until we had decided what CMS to use (or not, as the case
may be) as user accounts could be better off using a different system
depending on what is chosen.  Since this is taking longer than
anticipated I've set up the wiki and will manually transfer accounts to
a new system if needed.

Will take me a few hours to implement various custom changes and then
I'll start migrating content from DFEY-NW and DFEY-SE wiki (as agreed).
Would be helpful if we coordinate this to ensure time isn't wasted, so
maybe if you want to do it pop on IRC and post a quick message saying
you're about to do xyz.

Any suggestions would be appreciated, there is a lot of scope for
enhancements with the wiki.

Cheers!

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[Robert Leverington]

On 2009-07-26, Robert Leverington wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As agreed I have set up a new wiki on DogFish [1], originally I was
> going to wait until we had decided what CMS to use (or not, as the case
> may be) as user accounts could be better off using a different system
> depending on what is chosen.  Since this is taking longer than
> anticipated I've set up the wiki and will manually transfer accounts to
> a new system if needed.

Forgot to include the link on this.

http://dogfish.dfey.org/w/

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Robert Leverington (0x4699CEF4)
http://rhl.me.uk/

[Isabell Long]

On 27/07/2009, Robert Leverington <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Forgot to include the link on this.
>
> http://dogfish.dfey.org/w/

I thought you did.  I was about to ask you for the link.

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[Paul Sutton]

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Robert Leverington wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As agreed I have set up a new wiki on DogFish [1], originally I was
> going to wait until we had decided what CMS to use (or not, as the case
> may be) as user accounts could be better off using a different system
> depending on what is chosen.  Since this is taking longer than
> anticipated I've set up the wiki and will manually transfer accounts to
> a new system if needed.
>
> Will take me a few hours to implement various custom changes and then
> I'll start migrating content from DFEY-NW and DFEY-SE wiki (as agreed).
> Would be helpful if we coordinate this to ensure time isn't wasted, so
> maybe if you want to do it pop on IRC and post a quick message saying
> you're about to do xyz.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated, there is a lot of scope for
> enhancements with the wiki.
>
> Cheers!
>

New website looks good,  I have added a link from my re-designed website
to it.  I will also try and contact a few schools locally (secondary) to
see if I can drum up some interest from young people here in Torbay at
least.

Keep up the good work.,

Paul

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[Isabell Long]

On 27/07/2009, Robert Leverington <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Forgot to include the link on this.
>
> http://dogfish.dfey.org/w/

Just had a look at it.  Brilliant, much better than the old one.
Great work!  :)

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[Joe-23]

Robert Leverington wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As agreed I have set up a new wiki on DogFish [1], originally I was
> going to wait until we had decided what CMS to use (or not, as the case
> may be) as user accounts could be better off using a different system
> depending on what is chosen.  Since this is taking longer than
> anticipated I've set up the wiki and will manually transfer accounts to
> a new system if needed.
>
> Will take me a few hours to implement various custom changes and then
> I'll start migrating content from DFEY-NW and DFEY-SE wiki (as agreed).
> Would be helpful if we coordinate this to ensure time isn't wasted, so
> maybe if you want to do it pop on IRC and post a quick message saying
> you're about to do xyz.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated, there is a lot of scope for
> enhancements with the wiki.
>
> Cheers!
>

Oh christ...

We decide we need a new website for fairly obscure reasons, one of which
being the current idea of a wiki is somehow not good enough, spend about
a week debating whether to use subdirectories or subdomains, come to the
wrong conclusion, spend another week debating whether a shared hosting
account is enough for us or whether we need a VPS, come to the wrong
conclusion again, organize payment for the VPS, finally get the draft
website up and running and hey, guess what? It's another freaking wiki.
This whole cherade has been one epic facepalm.

Joe

[Tim Dobson-2]

Robert Leverington wrote:

> On 2009-07-26, Robert Leverington wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As agreed I have set up a new wiki on DogFish [1], originally I was
>> going to wait until we had decided what CMS to use (or not, as the case
>> may be) as user accounts could be better off using a different system
>> depending on what is chosen.  Since this is taking longer than
>> anticipated I've set up the wiki and will manually transfer accounts to
>> a new system if needed.
>
> Forgot to include the link on this.
>
> http://dogfish.dfey.org/w/
>

nice work :D

[Stephen Mount-2]

On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:50, Joe wrote:

> This whole cherade has been one epic facepalm.

Agreed.

[x_rob]

2009/7/27 Joe <[hidden email]>

Oh christ...
We decide we need a new website for fairly obscure reasons, one of which
being the current idea of a wiki is somehow not good enough, spend about
a week debating whether to use subdirectories or subdomains, come to the
wrong conclusion, spend another week debating whether a shared hosting
account is enough for us or whether we need a VPS, come to the wrong
conclusion again, organize payment for the VPS, finally get the draft
website up and running and hey, guess what? It's another freaking wiki.
This whole cherade has been one epic facepalm.

What I believe was agreed was that although the wiki provided a very important function for the community, a true blog was necessary for real announcements as opposed to a bluring of wiki/mailing list/IRC. Another important aspect of the new site was to merge the NW and SE wikis together so there wasn't a lot of duplicated content. Most of this should have ended up on the mailing list, but it's just been in IRC.

[Stephen Mount-2]

Personally speaking - we don't really *need* a site. Also, Joe appears  
to have lost the game.

On 27 Jul 2009, at 21:02, Rob Barry wrote:

> 2009/7/27 Joe <[hidden email]>
>
>> Oh christ...
>> We decide we need a new website for fairly obscure reasons, one of  
>> which
>> being the current idea of a wiki is somehow not good enough, spend  
>> about
>> a week debating whether to use subdirectories or subdomains, come  
>> to the
>> wrong conclusion, spend another week debating whether a shared  
>> hosting
>> account is enough for us or whether we need a VPS, come to the wrong
>> conclusion again, organize payment for the VPS, finally get the draft
>> website up and running and hey, guess what? It's another freaking  
>> wiki.
>> This whole cherade has been one epic facepalm.
>>
>
> What I believe was agreed was that although the wiki provided a very
> important function for the community, a true blog was necessary for  
> real
> announcements as opposed to a bluring of wiki/mailing list/IRC.  
> Another
> important aspect of the new site was to merge the NW and SE wikis  
> together
> so there wasn't a lot of duplicated content. Most of this should  
> have ended
> up on the mailing list, but it's just been in IRC.

[Tim Dobson-2]

Stephen Mount wrote:
> Personally speaking - we don't really *need* a site. Also, Joe appears
> to have lost the game.

d'oh. Now I've lost the game!

queue philosophical debate on what a website actually is.

Wow, Monty Python's People's Front of Judea look efficient compared to us.

Tim

[Robert Leverington]

On 2009-07-27, Joe wrote:

> Oh christ...
> We decide we need a new website for fairly obscure reasons, one of which
> being the current idea of a wiki is somehow not good enough, spend about
> a week debating whether to use subdirectories or subdomains, come to the
> wrong conclusion, spend another week debating whether a shared hosting
> account is enough for us or whether we need a VPS, come to the wrong
> conclusion again, organize payment for the VPS, finally get the draft
> website up and running and hey, guess what? It's another freaking wiki.
> This whole cherade has been one epic facepalm.
>

Mainly echoing what others have said.

The wiki is not the website.

What we decided was that we would have a combined DFEY-NW and DFEY-SE
for organisation purposes, in conjunction with a front-facing site -
they serve very different purposes.

I set this up now because the actual website was taking longer than
anticipated to decide on, I was going to wait for the proper website to
be done first.

Yes, most of this discussion was in the wrong place, but we've been over
this already.

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Robert Leverington
http://rhl.me.uk/