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[John Smith-7]

Just a quick touch base email, as I only just became aware of this
groups existence.

I've become more aware of open geospatial data recently through my
involvement with OpenStreetMap and it would seem we have common goals
to have a free and open data set covering this region of the planet.
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[Cameron Shorter-2]

Hi John and welcome.

Will probably also want to get involved in the international conference
for Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial http://2009.foss4g.org 
which is coming to Sydney in October.

You will see many of us busy as anything on the foss4g email lists at
the moment. Would you like to join us?

John Smith wrote:

> Just a quick touch base email, as I only just became aware of this
> groups existence.
>
> I've become more aware of open geospatial data recently through my
> involvement with OpenStreetMap and it would seem we have common goals
> to have a free and open data set covering this region of the planet.
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[John Smith-7]

2009/8/29 Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]>:

> Will probably also want to get involved in the international conference for
> Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial http://2009.foss4g.org which is
> coming to Sydney in October.

I'm actually more interested in the data side of things more than
software at this point in time, although OpenStreetMap contributors
have built a large set of tools to add/edit data and to view it.

> You will see many of us busy as anything on the foss4g email lists at the
> moment. Would you like to join us?

Thanks for the offer, but I'm unsure how much I could contribute this
late in the scheme of things and it's unlikely that I'd be able to
make it.
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[Cameron Shorter-2]

Ok, understood.

We actually have a few presentations focusing just on data and licenses,
but you are right, most of the conference focuses on software available
and how to use it.

Of note, we do have at least one presenter talking about a plugin to
Open Street Maps that I'm aware of. (My boss actually, who has set up a
local mirror of OSM).

John Smith wrote:

> 2009/8/29 Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]>:
>
>  
>> Will probably also want to get involved in the international conference for
>> Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial http://2009.foss4g.org which is
>> coming to Sydney in October.
>>    
>
> I'm actually more interested in the data side of things more than
> software at this point in time, although OpenStreetMap contributors
> have built a large set of tools to add/edit data and to view it.
>
>  
>> You will see many of us busy as anything on the foss4g email lists at the
>> moment. Would you like to join us?
>>    
>
> Thanks for the offer, but I'm unsure how much I could contribute this
> late in the scheme of things and it's unlikely that I'd be able to
> make it.
>  

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[Jody Garnett-2]

Perhaps you would like to arrange a street mapping party? All the open  
street map developers will be at the FOSS4G conference and it is a  
good venue for publicity.
Jody

On 29/08/2009, at 8:33 AM, John Smith wrote:

> 2009/8/29 Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Will probably also want to get involved in the international  
>> conference for
>> Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial http://2009.foss4g.org 
>> which is
>> coming to Sydney in October.
>
> I'm actually more interested in the data side of things more than
> software at this point in time, although OpenStreetMap contributors
> have built a large set of tools to add/edit data and to view it.
>
>> You will see many of us busy as anything on the foss4g email lists  
>> at the
>> moment. Would you like to join us?
>
> Thanks for the offer, but I'm unsure how much I could contribute this
> late in the scheme of things and it's unlikely that I'd be able to
> make it.
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[hamish-2]

John Smith wrote:
> Just a quick touch base email, as I only just became aware of
> this groups existence.
>
> I've become more aware of open geospatial data recently
> through my involvement with OpenStreetMap and it would seem
> we have common goals to have a free and open data set covering
> this region of the planet.

you may also be interested in the osgeo geodata mailing list,
and the NZ OpenGIS mailing list. The nzopengis mailing list is
currently dealing with merging the full NZ govt (LINZ) road+
data into OSM. Also the gps.org.nz forums are involved with
that too. check out this trial:
  http://linz.old-dev.openstreetmap.org/~JoeRichards/
The main sticking point AFAICT is how to get OSM to attribute
the data souce (ie a message somewhere about this is Crown
Copyright, but otherwise you're free to use it however and
for whatever purpose you wish). So close for so long, and yet....


MLs:
http://lists.osgeo.org/
http://groups.google.com/group/nzopengis


Hamish



     

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[John Smith-7]

2009/8/29 Hamish <[hidden email]>:

> you may also be interested in the osgeo geodata mailing list,
> and the NZ OpenGIS mailing list. The nzopengis mailing list is
> currently dealing with merging the full NZ govt (LINZ) road+
> data into OSM. Also the gps.org.nz forums are involved with
> that too. check out this trial:
>  http://linz.old-dev.openstreetmap.org/~JoeRichards/
> The main sticking point AFAICT is how to get OSM to attribute
> the data souce (ie a message somewhere about this is Crown
> Copyright, but otherwise you're free to use it however and
> for whatever purpose you wish). So close for so long, and yet....

Yup I'm aware of the LINZ stuff, however I was trying to be tactful
and wasn't sure the best way to just infer Australian data without
upsetting anyone.

To date the ABS is the only government body in Australia to release
data under a favourable license, which is boundaries, state, gazetted
suburbs, postcodes and aboriginal areas. These boundaries can be used
to trace out rivers, railways and major roads in some case and the
information is useful for geo based searching.


However it isn't specifically road or POI data.
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[John Smith-7]

2009/8/29 Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]>:

> We actually have a few presentations focusing just on data and licenses, but
> you are right, most of the conference focuses on software available and how
> to use it.

At this stage there is only one license that's useful for importing
data into OSM, cc-by-sa, which LINZ and other govt agencies round the
world have released data as or a similarly compatible license.

> Of note, we do have at least one presenter talking about a plugin to Open
> Street Maps that I'm aware of. (My boss actually, who has set up a local
> mirror of OSM).

Excuse my ignorance, but a plugin for what software, because the OSM
data can be converted to shape files or nearly any other geo data
type, without needing a plugin.
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[Cameron Shorter-2]

Plugin is probably the wrong term.
We have a mobile based application which allows a user to easily add
tracks to OSM from their mobile phone. This is handled by another part
of our company, so I'm a bit rusty on details.

Re licences, there are some presentations discussing Australia's moves
in the direction of publishing Public Sector Information via Creative
Commons.

John Smith wrote:

> 2009/8/29 Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]>:
>
>  
>> We actually have a few presentations focusing just on data and licenses, but
>> you are right, most of the conference focuses on software available and how
>> to use it.
>>    
>
> At this stage there is only one license that's useful for importing
> data into OSM, cc-by-sa, which LINZ and other govt agencies round the
> world have released data as or a similarly compatible license.
>
>  
>> Of note, we do have at least one presenter talking about a plugin to Open
>> Street Maps that I'm aware of. (My boss actually, who has set up a local
>> mirror of OSM).
>>    
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but a plugin for what software, because the OSM
> data can be converted to shape files or nearly any other geo data
> type, without needing a plugin.
>  

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[John Smith-7]

2009/8/29 Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]>:
> Plugin is probably the wrong term.
> We have a mobile based application which allows a user to easily add tracks
> to OSM from their mobile phone. This is handled by another part of our
> company, so I'm a bit rusty on details.

Do you know what phone platforms?

The company I'm working for is developing something similar for
BB/Android and probably iPhone, the main focus is enabling almost
anyone to easily and quickly add POIs, tracks are a stage 2 goal.

> Re licences, there are some presentations discussing Australia's moves in
> the direction of publishing Public Sector Information via Creative Commons.

That would be a great start.
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[John Smith-7]

2009/8/29 Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
> Perhaps you would like to arrange a street mapping party? All the open
> street map developers will be at the FOSS4G conference and it is a good
> venue for publicity.

Would love to, but at this stage it's unlikely I can attend, I'm in
QLD working at present. That isn't to say another OSM'er in Sydney
wouldn't be able to do something, I'll post a message to the OSM
talk-au list, unfortunately there isn't a NZ talk list that I could
post to as well.
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2009/8/29 John Smith <[hidden email]>:
> Would love to, but at this stage it's unlikely I can attend, I'm in
> QLD working at present. That isn't to say another OSM'er in Sydney
> wouldn't be able to do something, I'll post a message to the OSM
> talk-au list, unfortunately there isn't a NZ talk list that I could
> post to as well.

there's no osm list, but there is nzopengis on google groups, where
most nz osmers hang out
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[John Smith-7]

2009/8/29 Robin Paulson <[hidden email]>:
> there's no osm list, but there is nzopengis on google groups, where
> most nz osmers hang out

Thanks for that, we were curious how much a NZ community there is.
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[Jody Garnett-2]

That would be great; I tried asking back in February - as we have some  
hardware we would like to lend to just such a party.
Jody
On 29/08/2009, at 8:19 PM, John Smith wrote:

> 2009/8/29 Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
>> Perhaps you would like to arrange a street mapping party? All the  
>> open
>> street map developers will be at the FOSS4G conference and it is a  
>> good
>> venue for publicity.
>
> Would love to, but at this stage it's unlikely I can attend, I'm in
> QLD working at present. That isn't to say another OSM'er in Sydney
> wouldn't be able to do something, I'll post a message to the OSM
> talk-au list, unfortunately there isn't a NZ talk list that I could
> post to as well.

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2009/8/29 Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
> That would be great; I tried asking back in February - as we have some
> hardware we would like to lend to just such a party.

I've only been involved with one mapping party but it's really
apparent they are more useful for an educational/social event than to
do useful mapping, although David Dean in Brisbane is trying to
alternate between a social event and try to do a practical day in
various parts around Brisbane that has been mapped from hi-res sat
imagery but doesn't have street names or foot paths in parks etc.
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[Cameron Shorter-2]

Shoaib,
I think you have organised a street mapping party in the past? Maybe you
would be interested in organising one.

How long would a street mapping party take? The foss4g program is
already chock full, so I'm not sure how we would fit it in. Maybe we
could have the party on the Monday evening before FOSS4G workshops?

John Smith wrote:

> 2009/8/29 Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
>  
>> That would be great; I tried asking back in February - as we have some
>> hardware we would like to lend to just such a party.
>>    
>
> I've only been involved with one mapping party but it's really
> apparent they are more useful for an educational/social event than to
> do useful mapping, although David Dean in Brisbane is trying to
> alternate between a social event and try to do a practical day in
> various parts around Brisbane that has been mapped from hi-res sat
> imagery but doesn't have street names or foot paths in parks etc.
>  

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[Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)]

I suggest letting someone else from Australian OSM community handle the
mapping party, so that one of our valuable LOC members isn't tied up
with yet another project during the week ;-)

Just a thought...

On Sun, 2009-08-30 at 06:19 +1000, Cameron Shorter wrote:

> Shoaib,
> I think you have organised a street mapping party in the past? Maybe you
> would be interested in organising one.
>
> How long would a street mapping party take? The foss4g program is
> already chock full, so I'm not sure how we would fit it in. Maybe we
> could have the party on the Monday evening before FOSS4G workshops?
>
> John Smith wrote:
> > 2009/8/29 Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
> >  
> >> That would be great; I tried asking back in February - as we have some
> >> hardware we would like to lend to just such a party.
> >>    
> >
> > I've only been involved with one mapping party but it's really
> > apparent they are more useful for an educational/social event than to
> > do useful mapping, although David Dean in Brisbane is trying to
> > alternate between a social event and try to do a practical day in
> > various parts around Brisbane that has been mapped from hi-res sat
> > imagery but doesn't have street names or foot paths in parks etc.
> >  
>
>

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Usually the mapping parties are longer events  - a dedicated day or two. The one party that I have organised before was a day long.

To hold a OSM event it would need to be outside of the conference event - either the weekend before or after and ideally involve someone who has been doing some OSM work previously in Sydney i.e. so they can advise a good area(s) to cover

Simon

2009/8/30 Cameron Shorter <[hidden email]>

Shoaib,
I think you have organised a street mapping party in the past? Maybe you would be interested in organising one.

How long would a street mapping party take? The foss4g program is already chock full, so I'm not sure how we would fit it in. Maybe we could have the party on the Monday evening before FOSS4G workshops?

John Smith wrote:

2009/8/29 Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
 

That would be great; I tried asking back in February - as we have some
hardware we would like to lend to just such a party.
   

I've only been involved with one mapping party but it's really
apparent they are more useful for an educational/social event than to
do useful mapping, although David Dean in Brisbane is trying to
alternate between a social event and try to do a practical day in
various parts around Brisbane that has been mapped from hi-res sat
imagery but doesn't have street names or foot paths in parks etc.
 

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[Jody Garnett-2]

I seem to recall they did one the weekend before the conference; and  
it made for very nice demos and presentations using local data.

Jody

On 30/08/2009, at 6:19 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

> Shoaib,
> I think you have organised a street mapping party in the past? Maybe  
> you would be interested in organising one.
>
> How long would a street mapping party take? The foss4g program is  
> already chock full, so I'm not sure how we would fit it in. Maybe we  
> could have the party on the Monday evening before FOSS4G workshops?
>
> John Smith wrote:
>> 2009/8/29 Jody Garnett <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> That would be great; I tried asking back in February - as we have  
>>> some
>>> hardware we would like to lend to just such a party.
>>>
>>
>> I've only been involved with one mapping party but it's really
>> apparent they are more useful for an educational/social event than to
>> do useful mapping, although David Dean in Brisbane is trying to
>> alternate between a social event and try to do a practical day in
>> various parts around Brisbane that has been mapped from hi-res sat
>> imagery but doesn't have street names or foot paths in parks etc.
>>
>
>
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2009/8/30 mapbutcher <[hidden email]>:
> Usually the mapping parties are longer events  - a dedicated day or two. The
> one party that I have organised before was a day long.
> To hold a OSM event it would need to be outside of the conference event -
> either the weekend before or after and ideally involve someone who has been
> doing some OSM work previously in Sydney i.e. so they can advise a good
> area(s) to cover

Then you have social/educational mini-mapping parties that don't do
much mapping but show people how to do mapping, these are 1-4 hours,
although 4 hours can be a bit on the too much time side of things.
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