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New proposal for CSSHi everyone--
Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m the list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS).
It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it could. I think that this list is worth saving; it can be a very valuable way for people to share resources and information.
So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum to a moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or community message board.
To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just hitting “reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting.
A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th.
This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on whether I agree with your vote.
Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would work:
1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she’d be responsible for judging whether they should go straight to the group, or for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to reply to the list with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change or not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or so a week.
2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list:
A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building tours and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change, or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance).
B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization (such as an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on solar power subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and links to the full text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add would be put next to the link.
C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the amount of wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest too.
D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies, policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock on Moab’s groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable energy proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab agriculture than state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by non-locals on these topics would go into the news digest.
E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week.
F. Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected. (Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin, reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations to vote in online polls, or “reply all” type emails that say “Thanks for all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home construction, Lance!”).
If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories, please speak up, as I just invented all of this and I’m sure it could be improved.
There you go. I’ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we’ll go from there.
Thanks everyone!
Laurel
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I prefer the current "anarchy", and am sure this "angrytorchwavingmob"
guy who seems obsessed with "monitoring" this group . .and mentions it
constantly in his posts to the Times forums . . would be MORTIFIED if
it were changed.
On Oct 20, 4:12 pm, Laurel Hagen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi everyone--
>
> Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I
> have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I¹m the
> list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random
> chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS).
>
> It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of
> some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it could.
> I think that this list is worth saving; it can be a very valuable way for
> people to share resources and information.
>
> So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum to a
> moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or
> community message board.
>
> To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just
> hitting ³reply,² so we don¹t clog up the list with voting.
>
> A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO
> vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and
> will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th.
>
> This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to
> tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on
> whether I agree with your vote.
>
> Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would work:
>
> 1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she¹d be responsible for
> judging whether they should go straight to the group, or for condensing them
> into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator would be the only person that can
> send to the list. I'll volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone
> else wants the position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like
> Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would
> be open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
>
> The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to
> submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing
> them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers¹ ability to reply to the
> list with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change
> or not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or
> so a week.
>
> 2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list:
>
> A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and
> localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth
> Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building tours
> and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change, or a City
> Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance).
>
> B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization (such as
> an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on solar power
> subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be
> condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a once-a-week email with all
> the stories' titles and links to the full text. Any short comments the
> submitter wanted to add would be put next to the link.
>
> C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're
> recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the amount of
> wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest too.
>
> D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies,
> policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and
> localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a
> discussion of the effects of Lion¹s Back or Cloudrock on Moab¹s groundwater,
> a comparison of Obama¹s and McCain¹s renewable energy proposals, report on
> soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an argument as to why
> anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab agriculture than state-sponsored
> syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by non-locals on these
> topics would go into the news digest.
>
> E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to sustainability
> and localization would be allowed, but would be condensed into their own
> weekly digest. (Examples include Planning Commission meetings on a
> development proposal, arts and cultural festivals, candidate forums, indie
> films on freeing Tibet, or concerts). This puts us up to three possible
> digests a week.
>
> F. Anything that doesn¹t fit into these categories would be rejected.
> (Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin, reports on
> the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that Randy Day is
> secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations to vote in
> online polls, or ³reply all² type emails that say ³Thanks for all the great
> information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home construction,
> Lance!²).
>
> If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories, please
> speak up, as I just invented all of this and I¹m sure it could be improved.
>
> There you go. I¹ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we¹ll
> go from there.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> Laurel
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I'm sorry to clog the email, but I'd like to add more than just the
"no" vote I prefer. This group was set up to be
inclusive, as sustaining our environment should transcend a liberal or
conservative political leaning. Facing a shortage of food, water and
energy is something we will all be in together. There is already a
"closed" listserv for those who wish to discuss political
matters, and I know many of us belong to both
"groups".
If there are some folks out there reading the emails that don't care for
what they are seeing, perhaps they can contribute something constructive
of their own.
Karen
At 04:12 PM 10/20/2008, Laurel Hagen wrote:
Hi
everyone--
Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I
have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m
the list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some
random chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS).
It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of
some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it
could. I think that this list is worth saving; it can be a very valuable
way for people to share resources and information.
So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum
to a moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or
community message board.
To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of
just hitting “reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting.
A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO
vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately
and will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th.
This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted,
to tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based
on whether I agree with your vote.
Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would
work:
1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she’d be
responsible for judging whether they should go straight to the group, or
for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator
would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll volunteer to be
the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the position. That's
right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I
was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be open to bribery,
especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to
submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just
passing them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to
reply to the list with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you
like that change or not. This system would probably bring the number of
posts down to 15 or so a week.
2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list:
A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and
localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth
Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building
tours and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change,
or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance).
B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization
(such as an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on
solar power subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk
hunting) would be condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a
once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and links to the full
text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add would be put next to
the link.
C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it.
(Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the
amount of wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest
too.
D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes,
philosophies, policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to
sustainability and localization would go straight out to the list.
(Examples include a discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock
on Moab’s groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable
energy proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley,
or an argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab
agriculture than state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or
opinion pieces by non-locals on these topics would go into the news
digest.
E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to
sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be
condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning
Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural
festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or
concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week.
F. Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected.
(Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin,
reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that
Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front,
invitations to vote in online polls, or “reply all” type emails that say
“Thanks for all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in
new home construction, Lance!”).
If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories,
please speak up, as I just invented all of this and I’m sure it could be
improved.
There you go. I’ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and
we’ll go from there.
Thanks everyone!
Laurel
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[CSS] Re: New proposal for CSSThanks to everyone who has voted so far! We’ve got 21 cast.
I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, for voting purposes.
First, I didn’t mean to discourage people from discussing this change on the list—I just meant that simple Yea or Nays should just go to me. Discussing it totally makes sense.
Also, since many people don’t know the usual terms for different kinds of lists and forums (I am iffy on this myself), here’s exactly what we’re talking about:
CSS currently: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can send an email directly to the whole list. Also, anyone can read all of the posts on the internet.
CSS proposed: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can submit a post to the moderator. However, only the moderator can send an email to the whole list. Anyone can still read all of the posts on the internet.
MAPN: Only people who get general approval from current list members can sign up. All list members, but no one else, can email the entire list. The emails are not posted on the internet, and are not available to non-members.
Hope that explanation makes sense to everyone.
On 10/21/08 5:16 PM, "Karen Robinson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm sorry to clog the email, but I'd like to add more than just the "no" vote I prefer. This group was set up to be inclusive, as sustaining our environment should transcend a liberal or conservative political leaning. Facing a shortage of food, water and energy is something we will all be in together. There is already a "closed" listserv for those who wish to discuss political matters, and I know many of us belong to both "groups".
If there are some folks out there reading the emails that don't care for what they are seeing, perhaps they can contribute something constructive of their own.
Karen
At 04:12 PM 10/20/2008, Laurel Hagen wrote:
Hi everyone--
Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m the list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS).
It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it could. I think that this list is worth saving; it can be a very valuable way for people to share resources and information.
So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum to a moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or community message board.
To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just hitting “reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting.
A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th.
This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on whether I agree with your vote.
Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would work:
1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she’d be responsible for judging whether they should go straight to the group, or for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to reply to the list with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change or not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or so a week.
2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list:
A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building tours and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change, or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance).
B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization (such as an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on solar power subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and links to the full text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add would be put next to the link.
C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the amount of wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest too.
D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies, policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock on Moab’s groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable energy proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab agriculture than state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by non-locals on these topics would go into the news digest.
E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week.
F. Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected. (Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin, reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations to vote in online polls, or “reply all” type emails that say “Thanks for all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home construction, Lance!”).
If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories, please speak up, as I just invented all of this and I’m sure it could be improved.
There you go. I’ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we’ll go from there.
Thanks everyone!
Laurel
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Thanks to everyone who has voted so far! We’ve got 21
cast.
I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, for voting
purposes.
First, I didn’t mean to discourage people from discussing
this change on the list—I just meant that simple Yea or Nays should just go to
me. Discussing it totally makes sense.
Also, since many people don’t
know the usual terms for different kinds of lists and forums (I am iffy on
this myself), here’s exactly what we’re talking about:
CSS currently:
Anyone can sign up, and anyone can send an email directly to the whole list.
Also, anyone can read all of the posts on the internet.
CSS proposed:
Anyone can sign up, and anyone can submit a post to the moderator. However,
only the moderator can send an email to the whole list. Anyone can still read
all of the posts on the internet.
MAPN: Only people who get general
approval from current list members can sign up. All list members, but no one
else, can email the entire list. The emails are not posted on the internet,
and are not available to non-members.
Hope that explanation makes
sense to everyone.
On 10/21/08 5:16 PM, "Karen Robinson"
<[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm sorry to clog the email, but I'd like to add
more than just the "no" vote I prefer. This group was set up to be
inclusive, as sustaining our environment should transcend a liberal or
conservative political leaning. Facing a shortage of food, water and energy
is something we will all be in together. There is already a "closed"
listserv for those who wish to discuss political matters, and I know many of
us belong to both "groups".
If there are some folks out there reading
the emails that don't care for what they are seeing, perhaps they can
contribute something constructive of their own.
Karen
At 04:12 PM 10/20/2008, Laurel Hagen
wrote:
Hi everyone--
Due to controversy over the
role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I have some proposed changes.
Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m the list and website
administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random chick is
sending out policy proposals for CSS).
It seems to me that, because
of the sheer number of posts and because of some animosity, the CSS list
is not serving its purpose as well as it could. I think that this list is
worth saving; it can be a very valuable way for people to share resources
and information.
So I propose that we change the format of this
list from an open forum to a moderated list, something like a irregular
electronic newsletter or community message board.
To vote,
please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just hitting
“reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting.
A YES vote will
be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO vote will be for
keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and will close at
midnight on Friday, October 25th.
This will be a secret
ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to tally accurately, and
not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on whether I agree with
your vote.
Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message
board would work:
1. All posts would be given to the
moderator, and she’d be responsible for judging whether they should go
straight to the group, or for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails.
The moderator would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll
volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the
position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney
Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be
open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
The list
would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to submit
posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing them
along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to reply to the list
with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change or
not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or so
a week.
2. Proposed criteria for posting to the
list:
A. Announcements of events
directly related to sustainability and localization go straight out to the
list. (Examples include the Youth Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting
classes, sustainable building tours and workshops, informational talks on
peak oil or climate change, or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping
ordinance).
B. News items directly related to
sustainability and localization (such as an article on new wind farm
technology, a congressional vote on solar power subsidies, a study of the
effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be condensed into a weekly
digest. This would be a once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and
links to the full text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add
would be put next to the link.
C. Lance Christie gets his own
weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!)
Anyone else who comes up with the amount of wonderful information that
Lance does can have their own digest too.
D. Substantive
analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies, policies,
political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and
localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a
discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock on Moab’s
groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable energy
proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an
argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab agriculture than
state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by
non-locals on these topics would go into the news digest.
E.
Announcements of community events NOT directly related to
sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be
condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning
Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural
festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or
concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week.
F.
Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected.
(Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin,
reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that
Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations
to vote in online polls, or “reply all” type emails that say “Thanks for
all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home
construction, Lance!”).
If anyone has ideas for changes or
refinements to these categories, please speak up, as I just invented all
of this and I’m sure it could be improved.
There you go. I’ll
announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we’ll go from there.
Thanks
everyone!
Laurel
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for some reason it got changed in the original posting, but shows up
correctly when quoted in a reply further down the page
joy of computers
On Oct 21, 11:27 pm, "Kevin Fitzgerald" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> [CSS] Re: New proposal for CSSHey Laurel... For some reason... your E-Address was sent back 'Undeliverable" ???? I will try again... tomorrow... kv
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurel Hagen
> To: CSS
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:14 PM
> Subject: [CSS] New proposal for CSS
>
> Thanks to everyone who has voted so far! We’ve got 21 cast.
>
> I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, for voting purposes.
>
> First, I didn’t mean to discourage people from discussing this change on the list—I just meant that simple Yea or Nays should just go to me. Discussing it totally makes sense.
>
> Also, since many people don’t know the usual terms for different kinds of lists and forums (I am iffy on this myself), here’s exactly what we’re talking about:
>
> CSS currently: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can send an email directly to the whole list. Also, anyone can read all of the posts on the internet.
>
> CSS proposed: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can submit a post to the moderator. However, only the moderator can send an email to the whole list. Anyone can still read all of the posts on the internet.
>
> MAPN: Only people who get general approval from current list members can sign up. All list members, but no one else, can email the entire list. The emails are not posted on the internet, and are not available to non-members.
>
> Hope that explanation makes sense to everyone.
>
> On 10/21/08 5:16 PM, "Karen Robinson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry to clog the email, but I'd like to add more than just the "no" vote I prefer. This group was set up to be inclusive, as sustaining our environment should transcend a liberal or conservative political leaning. Facing a shortage of food, water and energy is something we will all be in together. There is already a "closed" listserv for those who wish to discuss political matters, and I know many of us belong to both "groups".
>
> If there are some folks out there reading the emails that don't care for what they are seeing, perhaps they can contribute something constructive of their own.
>
> Karen
>
> At 04:12 PM 10/20/2008, Laurel Hagen wrote:
>
> Hi everyone--
>
> Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m the list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS).
>
> It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it could. I think that this list is worth saving; it can be a very valuable way for people to share resources and information.
>
> So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum to a moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or community message board.
>
> To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just hitting “reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting.
>
> A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th.
>
> This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on whether I agree with your vote.
>
> Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would work:
>
> 1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she’d be responsible for judging whether they should go straight to the group, or for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
>
> The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to reply to the list with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change or not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or so a week.
>
> 2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list:
>
> A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building tours and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change, or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance).
>
> B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization (such as an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on solar power subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and links to the full text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add would be put next to the link.
>
> C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the amount of wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest too.
>
> D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies, policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock on Moab’s groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable energy proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab agriculture than state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by non-locals on these topics would go into the news digest.
>
> E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week.
>
> F. Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected. (Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin, reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations to vote in online polls, or “reply all” type emails that say “Thanks for all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home construction, Lance!”).
>
> If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories, please speak up, as I just invented all of this and I’m sure it could be improved.
>
> There you go. I’ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we’ll go from there.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> Laurel- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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> [hidden email] seemed to get through for me.
>
> for some reason it got changed in the original posting, but shows up
> correctly when quoted in a reply further down the page
>
> joy of computers
>
> On Oct 21, 11:27 pm, "Kevin Fitzgerald" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > [CSS] Re: New proposal for CSSHey Laurel... For some reason... your E-Address was sent back 'Undeliverable" ???? I will try again... tomorrow... kv
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Laurel Hagen
> > To: CSS
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:14 PM
> > Subject: [CSS] New proposal for CSS
>
> > Thanks to everyone who has voted so far! We’ve got 21 cast.
>
> > I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, for voting purposes.
>
> > First, I didn’t mean to discourage people from discussing this change on the list—I just meant that simple Yea or Nays should just go to me. Discussing it totally makes sense.
>
> > Also, since many people don’t know the usual terms for different kinds of lists and forums (I am iffy on this myself), here’s exactly what we’re talking about:
>
> > CSS currently: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can send an email directly to the whole list. Also, anyone can read all of the posts on the internet.
>
> > CSS proposed: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can submit a post to the moderator. However, only the moderator can send an email to the whole list. Anyone can still read all of the posts on the internet.
>
> > MAPN: Only people who get general approval from current list members can sign up. All list members, but no one else, can email the entire list. The emails are not posted on the internet, and are not available to non-members.
>
> > Hope that explanation makes sense to everyone.
>
> > On 10/21/08 5:16 PM, "Karen Robinson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry to clog the email, but I'd like to add more than just the "no" vote I prefer. This group was set up to be inclusive, as sustaining our environment should transcend a liberal or conservative political leaning. Facing a shortage of food, water and energy is something we will all be in together. There is already a "closed" listserv for those who wish to discuss political matters, and I know many of us belong to both "groups".
>
> > If there are some folks out there reading the emails that don't care for what they are seeing, perhaps they can contribute something constructive of their own.
>
> > Karen
>
> > At 04:12 PM 10/20/2008, Laurel Hagen wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone--
>
> > Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m the list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS).
>
> > It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it could. I think that this list is worth saving; it can be a very valuable way for people to share resources and information.
>
> > So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum to a moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or community message board.
>
> > To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just hitting “reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting.
>
> > A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th.
>
> > This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on whether I agree with your vote.
>
> > Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would work:
>
> > 1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she’d be responsible for judging whether they should go straight to the group, or for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
>
> > The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to reply to the list with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change or not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or so a week.
>
> > 2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list:
>
> > A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building tours and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change, or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance).
>
> > B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization (such as an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on solar power subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and links to the full text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add would be put next to the link.
>
> > C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the amount of wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest too.
>
> > D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies, policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock on Moab’s groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable energy proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab agriculture than state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by non-locals on these topics would go into the news digest.
>
> > E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week.
>
> > F. Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected. (Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin, reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations to vote in online polls, or “reply all” type emails that say “Thanks for all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home construction, Lance!”).
>
> > If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories, please speak up, as I just invented all of this and I’m sure it could be improved.
>
> > There you go. I’ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we’ll go from there.
>
> > Thanks everyone!
>
> > Laurel- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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> [hidden email] seemed to get through for me.
>
> for some reason it got changed in the original posting, but shows up
> correctly when quoted in a reply further down the page
>
> joy of computers
>
> On Oct 21, 11:27 pm, "Kevin Fitzgerald" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > [CSS] Re: New proposal for CSSHey Laurel... For some reason... your E-Address was sent back 'Undeliverable" ???? I will try again... tomorrow... kv
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Laurel Hagen
> > To: CSS
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:14 PM
> > Subject: [CSS] New proposal for CSS
>
> > Thanks to everyone who has voted so far! We’ve got 21 cast.
>
> > I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, for voting purposes.
>
> > First, I didn’t mean to discourage people from discussing this change on the list—I just meant that simple Yea or Nays should just go to me. Discussing it totally makes sense.
>
> > Also, since many people don’t know the usual terms for different kinds of lists and forums (I am iffy on this myself), here’s exactly what we’re talking about:
>
> > CSS currently: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can send an email directly to the whole list. Also, anyone can read all of the posts on the internet.
>
> > CSS proposed: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can submit a post to the moderator. However, only the moderator can send an email to the whole list. Anyone can still read all of the posts on the internet.
>
> > MAPN: Only people who get general approval from current list members can sign up. All list members, but no one else, can email the entire list. The emails are not posted on the internet, and are not available to non-members.
>
> > Hope that explanation makes sense to everyone.
>
> > On 10/21/08 5:16 PM, "Karen Robinson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry to clog the email, but I'd like to add more than just the "no" vote I prefer. This group was set up to be inclusive, as sustaining our environment should transcend a liberal or conservative political leaning. Facing a shortage of food, water and energy is something we will all be in together. There is already a "closed" listserv for those who wish to discuss political matters, and I know many of us belong to both "groups".
>
> > If there are some folks out there reading the emails that don't care for what they are seeing, perhaps they can contribute something constructive of their own.
>
> > Karen
>
> > At 04:12 PM 10/20/2008, Laurel Hagen wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone--
>
> > Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m the list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS).
>
> > It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it could. I think that this list is worth saving; it can be a very valuable way for people to share resources and information.
>
> > So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum to a moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or community message board.
>
> > To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just hitting “reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting.
>
> > A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th.
>
> > This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on whether I agree with your vote.
>
> > Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would work:
>
> > 1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she’d be responsible for judging whether they should go straight to the group, or for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer.
>
> > The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to reply to the list with casual comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change or not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or so a week.
>
> > 2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list:
>
> > A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building tours and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change, or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance).
>
> > B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization (such as an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on solar power subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and links to the full text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add would be put next to the link.
>
> > C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the amount of wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest too.
>
> > D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies, policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock on Moab’s groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable energy proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab agriculture than state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by non-locals on these topics would go into the news digest.
>
> > E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week.
>
> > F. Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected. (Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin, reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations to vote in online polls, or “reply all” type emails that say “Thanks for all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home construction, Lance!”).
>
> > If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories, please speak up, as I just invented all of this and I’m sure it could be improved.
>
> > There you go. I’ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we’ll go from there.
>
> > Thanks everyone!
>
> > Laurel- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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From: solarmon <[hidden email]> Subject: [CSS] Re: New proposal for CSS To: "Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions" <[hidden email]> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:21 AM
DAMN
address got changed . .again. . in my prior posting. must be some setting here that does that to protect the guilty.
just scroll up to the response from Karen Robinson, and look in the quoted version of the original post.
On Oct 22, 9:14 am, solarmon <[hidden email]> wrote: > [hidden email] seemed to get through for me. > > for some reason it got changed in the original posting, but shows up > correctly when quoted in a reply further down the page > > joy of computers > > On Oct 21, 11:27 pm, "Kevin Fitzgerald" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > [CSS] Re: New proposal for CSSHey Laurel... For some reason... your E-Address was sent back 'Undeliverable" ???? I will try again... tomorrow... kv
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Laurel Hagen > > To: CSS > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:14 PM > > Subject: [CSS] New proposal for CSS > > > Thanks to everyone who has voted
so far! We’ve got 21 cast. > > > I just wanted to clarify a couple of things, for voting
purposes. > > > First, I didn’t mean to discourage people from discussing this change on the list—I just meant that simple Yea or Nays should just go to me. Discussing it totally makes sense. > > > Also, since many people don’t know the usual terms for different kinds of lists and forums (I am iffy on this myself), here’s exactly what we’re talking about: > > > CSS currently: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can send an email directly to the whole list. Also, anyone can read all of the posts on the internet. > > > CSS proposed: Anyone can sign up, and anyone can submit a post to the moderator. However, only the moderator can send an email to the whole list. Anyone can still read all of the posts on the
internet. > > > MAPN: Only people who get general approval from current list members can sign up. All list members, but no one else, can email the entire list. The emails are not posted on the internet, and are not available to non-members. > > > Hope that explanation makes sense to everyone. > > > On 10/21/08 5:16 PM, "Karen Robinson" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I'm sorry to clog the email, but I'd like to add more than just the "no" vote I prefer. This group was set up to be inclusive, as sustaining our environment should transcend a liberal or conservative political leaning. Facing a shortage of food, water and energy is something we will all be in together. There is already a "closed" listserv for those who wish to discuss political matters, and I know many of us belong to both
"groups". > > > If there are some folks out there reading the emails that don't care for what they are seeing, perhaps they can contribute something constructive of their own. > > > Karen > > > At 04:12 PM 10/20/2008, Laurel Hagen wrote: > > > Hi everyone-- > > > Due to controversy over the role and nature of the CSS email listserve, I have some proposed changes. Please vote on whether to enact them. (I’m the list and website administrator, in case anyone is wondering why some random chick is sending out policy proposals for CSS). > > > It seems to me that, because of the sheer number of posts and because of some animosity, the CSS list is not serving its purpose as well as it could. I think that this list is worth saving; it can be
a very valuable way for people to share resources and information. > > > So I propose that we change the format of this list from an open forum to a moderated list, something like a irregular electronic newsletter or community message board. > > > To vote, please send me an email at [hidden email] instead of just hitting “reply,” so we don’t clog up the list with voting. > > > A YES vote will be tallied in favor of moving to the new system, and a NO vote will be for keeping what we have now. Voting commences immediately and will close at midnight on Friday, October 25th. > > > This will be a secret ballot. I promise not to reveal how anyone voted, to tally accurately, and not to hatch any elaborate revenge schemes based on whether I agree with your vote. > > >
Here's how the new system, the newsletter/message board would work: > > > 1. All posts would be given to the moderator, and she’d be responsible for judging whether they should go straight to the group, or for condensing them into "weekly digest" emails. The moderator would be the only person that can send to the list. I'll volunteer to be the moderator for now, unless someone else wants the position. That's right, I would be the Gatekeeper, just like Sigourney Weaver. (Sorry, I was watching Ghostbusters last night). I would be open to bribery, especially chocolate or Colorado beer. > > > The list would still be open to all to read on the internet, and all to submit posts. The moderator would not actually be writing them, just passing them along. However, this would eliminate CSSers’ ability to reply to the list with casual
comments on an item. You can decide if you like that change or not. This system would probably bring the number of posts down to 15 or so a week. > > > 2. Proposed criteria for posting to the list: > > > A. Announcements of events directly related to sustainability and localization go straight out to the list. (Examples include the Youth Garden's agriculture/husbandry/hunting classes, sustainable building tours and workshops, informational talks on peak oil or climate change, or a City Council vote on a chicken-keeping ordinance). > > > B. News items directly related to sustainability and localization (such as an article on new wind farm technology, a congressional vote on solar power subsidies, a study of the effects of climate change on elk hunting) would be condensed into a weekly digest. This would be a
once-a-week email with all the stories' titles and links to the full text. Any short comments the submitter wanted to add would be put next to the link. > > > C. Lance Christie gets his own weekly digest, if he wants it. (Hope you're recovering nicely, Lance!) Anyone else who comes up with the amount of wonderful information that Lance does can have their own digest too. > > > D. Substantive analysis by locals of any issues, votes, philosophies, policies, political candidates etc. as they relate to sustainability and localization would go straight out to the list. (Examples include a discussion of the effects of Lion’s Back or Cloudrock on Moab’s groundwater, a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s renewable energy proposals, report on soil amendment strategies in Castle Valley, or an argument as to why anarcho-capitalism is better for Moab
agriculture than state-sponsored syndicalism). General articles or opinion pieces by non-locals on these topics would go into the news digest. > > > E. Announcements of community events NOT directly related to sustainability and localization would be allowed, but would be condensed into their own weekly digest. (Examples include Planning Commission meetings on a development proposal, arts and cultural festivals, candidate forums, indie films on freeing Tibet, or concerts). This puts us up to three possible digests a week. > > > F. Anything that doesn’t fit into these categories would be rejected. (Examples include articles mocking the ineptitude of Sarah Palin, reports on the kick-ass rapids in Westwater this spring, a theory that Randy Day is secretly in charge of the Earth Liberation Front, invitations to vote in online polls, or “reply
all” type emails that say “Thanks for all the great information on the upcoming role of fungi in new home construction, Lance!”). > > > If anyone has ideas for changes or refinements to these categories, please speak up, as I just invented all of this and I’m sure it could be improved. > > > There you go. I’ll announce the results of the vote this weekend, and we’ll go from there. > > > Thanks everyone! > > > Laurel- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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Having recently had one of my own, slightly tongue-in-cheek posts re-posted on the Times' website as a way of outing me as a "member" of this dangerous cabal, I suppose I should support a more controlled, dignified list.
Then I just read Anne's query about toads, and I wondered how that would fit into a new system. I don't think it would, and that would be a shame. I'm hoping Tim Graham or someone similarly informed will reply to Anne, and I'll know more about my ecosystem. We do still have those big, wonderful bufo's in our garden, but now that I think about it, I have seen fewer.
I don't think the volume of this list is overwhelming. I'm glad people are mostly trying to distinguish between sustainable living issues and politics, difficult as that can be. Sustainability is a sweeping topic covering many aspects of how we live, and I think the list should be open to people's interpretations of that.
Please note that I used quotation marks around the word "member" above; that's because it's not my word, it was applied to my association with this email list. I don't think of this as a club or even a movement, rather, I see it as an open forum. Anyone should be able to participate. Why anyone ever had the idea that this--or any group email communication--is somehow a private conversation is beyond me.
I suppose I could change my mind if the discussion disintegrates somehow, but for now this has been a civil and interesting group. I don't see a need to change it.
Thanks for your time and efforts as moderator,
Happy Trails,
Ron Georg
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Having recently had one of my own, slightly tongue-in-cheek posts
re-posted on the Times' website as a way of outing me as a "member"
of this dangerous cabal, I suppose I should support a more controlled,
dignified list.
Then I just read Anne's query about toads, and I wondered how that
would fit into a new system. I don't think it would, and that would be a shame.
I'm hoping Tim Graham or someone similarly informed will reply to Anne, and
I'll know more about my ecosystem. We do still have those big, wonderful bufo's
in our garden, but now that I think about it, I have seen fewer.
I don't think the volume of this list is overwhelming. I'm glad people
are mostly trying to distinguish between sustainable living issues and
politics, difficult as that can be. Sustainability is a sweeping topic covering
many aspects of how we live, and I think the list should be open to
people's interpretations of that.
Please note that I used quotation marks around the word
"member" above; that's because it's not my word, it was applied to my
association with this email list. I don't think of this as a club or even
a movement, rather, I see it as an open forum. Anyone should be able to
participate. Why anyone ever had the idea that this--or any group email
communication--is somehow a private conversation is beyond me.
I suppose I could change my mind if the discussion disintegrates
somehow, but for now this has been a civil and interesting group. I don't see a
need to change it.
Thanks for your time and efforts as moderator,
Happy Trails,
Ron Georg
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Having recently had one of my own,
slightly tongue-in-cheek posts re-posted on the Times' website as a way
of outing me as a "member" of this dangerous cabal, I suppose I should support
a more controlled, dignified list.
Then I just read Anne's query about toads, and I
wondered how that would fit into a new system. I don't think it would, and
that would be a shame. I'm hoping Tim Graham or someone similarly informed
will reply to Anne, and I'll know more about my ecosystem. We do still have
those big, wonderful bufo's in our garden, but now that I think about it, I
have seen fewer.
I don't think the volume of this list is overwhelming.
I'm glad people are mostly trying to distinguish between sustainable living
issues and politics, difficult as that can be. Sustainability is a sweeping
topic covering many aspects of how we live, and I think the list should
be open to people's interpretations of
that.
Please note that I used quotation marks around the
word "member" above; that's because it's not my word, it was applied to my
association with this email list. I don't think of this as a club or even
a movement, rather, I see it as an open forum. Anyone should be able to
participate. Why anyone ever had the idea that this--or any group email
communication--is somehow a private conversation is beyond
me.
I suppose I could change my mind if the discussion
disintegrates somehow, but for now this has been a civil and interesting
group. I don't see a need to change it.
Thanks for your time and efforts as
moderator,
Happy Trails,
Ron Georg
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Hi Laurel and All... Since I was
unable to get an Email to you?.?. - I'll take it Pubic... Oooops -
Public... :}
I also agree with Mr. George's
comments... and I ditto Kaki and Kyle and Carrie and support the continued
open forum that we have here...
WE are Community - As Community - we need to
discuss all aspects of Life - from the Water we drink and preserve - to the
psychological stability of our elected - or soon to be elected
officials... From the future existence of Frogs to the
health and well being of a local - brilliant - 'Intelligent' who is recovering
from numerous tramas and current issues....
WE are Community - We are a concerned group of
individuals - dedicated to the continued effort directed at
Sustainablility!!! At Surviving and Supporting each other as
Community through this "Long Emergency" !!!
If thay want to slam us and slander us in the Times
Posts... Freakin "Bring it On!!!" Who gives a Rat's A*# what somebody else
thinks... Do they pay my Energy Bills - put food on my
table???.... I think Not...
Sooo... Post what you will.... It
is through open Communication that Ideas are born!
FEAR - "False Evidence Appearing Real" Cannot
keep us from Speaking Our Hearts and Minds...
Having recently had one of my own,
slightly tongue-in-cheek posts re-posted on the Times' website as a way
of outing me as a "member" of this dangerous cabal, I suppose I should
support a more controlled, dignified list.
Then I just read Anne's query about toads, and I
wondered how that would fit into a new system. I don't think it would, and
that would be a shame. I'm hoping Tim Graham or someone similarly informed
will reply to Anne, and I'll know more about my ecosystem. We do still have
those big, wonderful bufo's in our garden, but now that I think about it, I
have seen fewer.
I don't think the volume of this list is
overwhelming. I'm glad people are mostly trying to distinguish between
sustainable living issues and politics, difficult as that can be.
Sustainability is a sweeping topic covering many aspects of how we
live, and I think the list should be open to people's interpretations
of that.
Please note that I used quotation marks around the
word "member" above; that's because it's not my word, it was applied to my
association with this email list. I don't think of this as a club or
even a movement, rather, I see it as an open forum. Anyone should be able to
participate. Why anyone ever had the idea that this--or any group email
communication--is somehow a private conversation is beyond
me.
I suppose I could change my mind if the discussion
disintegrates somehow, but for now this has been a civil and interesting
group. I don't see a need to change it.
Thanks for your time and efforts as
moderator,
Happy Trails,
Ron Georg
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Yeah! hurray!! Way to go Kevin!!!. You said it. You been reading my mind. We all live in the same desert even though some don't call it desert, it's all one water source, air to breath sun rise and sun set, if we include a few scorpions, they go with the turf. And even scorpions can be beautiful
Colleen
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Hi Laurel and All... Since I was unable to get an Email to you?.?. - I'll take it Pubic... Oooops - Public... :}
I also agree with Mr. George's comments... and I ditto Kaki and Kyle and Carrie and support the continued open forum that we have here...
WE are Community - As Community - we need to discuss all aspects of Life - from the Water we drink and preserve - to the psychological stability of our elected - or soon to be elected officials... From the future existence of Frogs to the health and well being of a local - brilliant - 'Intelligent' who is recovering from numerous tramas and current issues....
WE are Community - We are a concerned group of individuals - dedicated to the continued effort directed at Sustainablility!!! At Surviving and Supporting each other as Community through this "Long Emergency" !!!
If thay want to slam us and slander us in the Times Posts... Freakin "Bring it On!!!" Who gives a Rat's A*# what somebody else thinks... Do they pay my Energy Bills - put food on my table???.... I think Not...
Sooo... Post what you will.... It is through open Communication that Ideas are born!
FEAR - "False Evidence Appearing Real" Cannot keep us from Speaking Our Hearts and Minds...
Having recently had one of my own, slightly tongue-in-cheek posts re-posted on the Times' website as a way of outing me as a "member" of this dangerous cabal, I suppose I should support a more controlled, dignified list.
Then I just read Anne's query about toads, and I wondered how that would fit into a new system. I don't think it would, and that would be a shame. I'm hoping Tim Graham or someone similarly informed will reply to Anne, and I'll know more about my ecosystem. We do still have those big, wonderful bufo's in our garden, but now that I think about it, I have seen fewer.
I don't think the volume of this list is overwhelming. I'm glad people are mostly trying to distinguish between sustainable living issues and politics, difficult as that can be. Sustainability is a sweeping topic covering many aspects of how we live, and I think the list should be open to people's interpretations of that.
Please note that I used quotation marks around the word "member" above; that's because it's not my word, it was applied to my association with this email list. I don't think of this as a club or even a movement, rather, I see it as an open forum. Anyone should be able to participate. Why anyone ever had the idea that this--or any group email communication--is somehow a private conversation is beyond me.
I suppose I could change my mind if the discussion disintegrates somehow, but for now this has been a civil and interesting group. I don't see a need to change it.
Thanks for your time and efforts as moderator,
Happy Trails,
Ron Georg
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I guess this is how I feel as well. It is very easy to click things off
if you don't wish to read them or save them for later or...Judy
Kaki Hunter wrote:
> Ditto from kaki
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> *From:* [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Ron Georg
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:50 AM
> *To:* [hidden email] > *Subject:* [CSS] Re: New proposal for CSS
>
>
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>
>
> Howdy, Laurel--
>
>
>
> Having recently had one of my own, slightly tongue-in-cheek posts
> re-posted on the Times' website as a way of outing me as a "member" of
> this dangerous cabal, I suppose I should support a more controlled,
> dignified list.
>
>
>
> Then I just read Anne's query about toads, and I wondered how that
> would fit into a new system. I don't think it would, and that would be
> a shame. I'm hoping Tim Graham or someone similarly informed will
> reply to Anne, and I'll know more about my ecosystem. We do still have
> those big, wonderful bufo's in our garden, but now that I think about
> it, I have seen fewer.
>
>
>
> I don't think the volume of this list is overwhelming. I'm glad people
> are mostly trying to distinguish between sustainable living issues and
> politics, difficult as that can be. Sustainability is a sweeping topic
> covering many aspects of how we live, and I think the list should be
> open to people's interpretations of that.
>
>
>
> Please note that I used quotation marks around the word "member"
> above; that's because it's not my word, it was applied to my
> association with this email list. I don't think of this as a club or
> even a movement, rather, I see it as an open forum. Anyone should be
> able to participate. Why anyone ever had the idea that this--or any
> group email communication--is somehow a private conversation is beyond me.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could change my mind if the discussion disintegrates
> somehow, but for now this has been a civil and interesting group. I
> don't see a need to change it.
>
> Thanks for your time and efforts as moderator,
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Ron Georg
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date:
> 10/23/2008 7:54 AM
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To Ron, Anne and the others wondering about toads or the lack thereof:
Let's see if this still works, Ron, you should still get this email under the new system.
So, I'll weigh in with my personal opinion, and that is all it really is, based on some experience but since I live in a drier part of the valley I don't see many toads in my yard.
I would say that the draining of the sloughs had very little to do with a real or perceived decline in toad numbers in town. Much more likely are the conversions of the Clark orchard to Orchard Villas, the Mormon church orchard to barren land, duplexes along Williams Way instead of outer riparian fringe, etc. Habitat destruction is the number one cause of decline in populations of most plants and animals; granted that term is fairly all-encompassing, but the climate changes we are experiencing can be wrapped into it as well as ceasing to irrigate an orchard. A move to xeriscaping can also reduce acceptable toad habitat (sorry Kara), even if it's your neighbors that convert their lawns and gardens, not you.
The reduced water levels in the sloughs does translate into reduced habitat for amphibians, but it is unlikely that the frogs and toads using the sloughs were the ones being seen in town. Home ranges are usually not too extensive, although bullfrogs have been documented travelling at least 7 miles across the Sonoran Desert from one stock pond to another.
My understanding of the sloughs situation is limited, but I think at least some of the lack of water has been due to no recharge during the current drought, compounded not doubt, by increased capture of water farther up the watershed. As I understand the water dynamics of the sloughs, most of the water comes down the valley, not from the river.
So, that's my 2 cents on the paucity of toads these days. I think it's a combination of population fluctuation you might expect to see during any drought and partly the result of continued development of the in-town/close-to-town pseudo-riparian habitat of large cultivated areas. Sorry, no immediate fix seems apparent except to provide more habitat. Maybe as we become more self-sufficient that will happen.
Tim
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From: "Ron Georg" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:50:28 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [CSS] Re: New proposal for CSS
Howdy, Laurel--
Having recently had one of my own, slightly tongue-in-cheek posts re-posted on the Times' website as a way of outing me as a "member" of this dangerous cabal, I suppose I should support a more controlled, dignified list.
Then I just read Anne's query about toads, and I wondered how that would fit into a new system. I don't think it would, and that would be a shame. I'm hoping Tim Graham or someone similarly informed will reply to Anne, and I'll know more about my ecosystem. We do still have those big, wonderful bufo's in our garden, but now that I think about it, I have seen fewer.
I don't think the volume of this list is overwhelming. I'm glad people are mostly trying to distinguish between sustainable living issues and politics, difficult as that can be. Sustainability is a sweeping topic covering many aspects of how we live, and I think the list should be open to people's interpretations of that.
Please note that I used quotation marks around the word "member" above; that's because it's not my word, it was applied to my association with this email list. I don't think of this as a club or even a movement, rather, I see it as an open forum. Anyone should be able to participate. Why anyone ever had the idea that this--or any group email communication--is somehow a private conversation is beyond me.
I suppose I could change my mind if the discussion disintegrates somehow, but for now this has been a civil and interesting group. I don't see a need to change it.
Thanks for your time and efforts as moderator,
Happy Trails,
Ron Georg
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