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JR-2
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I've recorded a song with a few tracks (drums, synth1, synth2, guitar, bass,
vocals). The vocals have a healthy amplitude, but they still sound a bit faded, or overpowered by the other tracks. I have the 111 effects plugins installed but I dont know what they do because I'm new to this. Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line so to speak? Kind regards, Jarlath ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users |
Rich-2
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I don't mean to be insulting, but since you've got the luxury of having the
vocals on a separate track, I have to ask the obvious: What happens when you simply lower the levels on all the non-vocal tracks by 3 - 6 decibels, and then listening to the new mix, possibly playing back it at a higher volume to compensate for the overall reduction in level? Doesn't that bring up the vocals pretty nicely - even before your try any effects? Notice that I'm not recommending bringing up the vocal track level, because there is a limit to the overall level which you seem to have already reached. BTW, my favorite effect, which is a touch of tastefully-applied reverb, tends to sound as if it's lowering the perceived level, so if you plan to add reverb to the vocals, you'll want them even a bit higher in relative level than in the dry mix. Feedback welcomed ... Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> To: <audacity-users@...> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > I've recorded a song with a few tracks (drums, synth1, synth2, guitar, bass, > vocals). The vocals have a healthy amplitude, but they still sound a bit > faded, or overpowered by the other tracks. I have the 111 effects plugins > installed but I dont know what they do because I'm new to this. > > Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line so to speak? > > Kind regards, > > Jarlath > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > -- > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users |
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Daniil Kolpakov-2
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В сообщении от Tuesday 02 August 2005 00:00 JR написал(a):
> Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line so to > speak? Compress it. I've heard sc2/sc3/sc4 LADSPA plugins perform good, try these. Besides Audacity, since you seem to run Linux (?), there is Postfish, which you can get from xiph SVN (or try google) - it has very nice single-band and multiband compressors. Hovewer, it seems that GCC4 doesn't compile it right - you have to get some older GCC :( -- /dev/brains: permission denied Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users |
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Graham Mitchell
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> Besides Audacity, since you seem to run Linux (?), there is Postfish, which
> you can get from xiph SVN (or try google) - it has very nice single-band > and multiband compressors. Hovewer, it seems that GCC4 doesn't compile it > right - you have to get some older GCC :( Just a side note, if you're running Fedora Core 4, then you've got both gcc 4.0.1 and gcc 3.2.3 installed. Do a: $ export CC=gcc32 ...and then 'make' to compile with gcc 3.2.3 instead. Worked for me, anyway. -- Graham Mitchell - computer science teacher, Leander High School Cats are Spiderman, Cats are Spiderman, ^ ^ Cats are Spiderman, o o NO-body KNOWS who they ARE! ==Y== ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users |
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xiphmont
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In reply to this post by Daniil Kolpakov-2
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 04:38:53AM +0300, Daniil V. Kolpakov wrote: > ? ????????? ?? Tuesday 02 August 2005 00:00 JR ???????(a): > > Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line so to > > speak? > > Compress it. I've heard sc2/sc3/sc4 LADSPA plugins perform good, try these. > > Besides Audacity, since you seem to run Linux (?), there is Postfish, which > you can get from xiph SVN (or try google) - it has very nice single-band and > multiband compressors. Hovewer, it seems that GCC4 doesn't compile it right - > you have to get some older GCC :( Oh, right! I need to fix my type punning (GCC4 breaks type-puns, you are required to use union aliasing instead). I knew it was going to come back to haunt me, I didn't think it would take ten years :-) Monty ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users |
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JR-2
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In reply to this post by Rich-2
Hi Rich,
Thanks for the tip on the reverb, I will have to rerecord the track to add reverb. Thats not a problem. Volume isn't exactly what I'm talking about. I think what I'm talking about is audio space. Or placement in the stereo spectrum. I dont know if this is simply a matter of panning or if there is more to it. But basically, some of the tracks seem to be in the same stereo space (if I understand the concept correctly). But this is not a volume issue. Thanks again for your reply, Jarlath On Tuesday 02 August 2005 02:24 am, Rich wrote: > I don't mean to be insulting, but since you've got the luxury of having the > vocals on a separate track, I have to ask the obvious: What happens when > you simply lower the levels on all the non-vocal tracks by 3 - 6 decibels, > and then listening to the new mix, possibly playing back it at a higher > volume to compensate for the overall reduction in level? Doesn't that > bring up the vocals pretty nicely - even before your try any effects? > Notice that I'm not recommending bringing up the vocal track level, because > there is a limit to the overall level which you seem to have already > reached. BTW, my favorite effect, which is a touch of tastefully-applied > reverb, tends to sound as if it's lowering the perceived level, so if you > plan to add reverb to the vocals, you'll want them even a bit higher in > relative level than in the dry mix. Feedback welcomed ... > > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > To: <audacity-users@...> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM > Subject: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > I've recorded a song with a few tracks (drums, synth1, synth2, guitar, > > bass, > > > vocals). The vocals have a healthy amplitude, but they still sound a bit > > faded, or overpowered by the other tracks. I have the 111 effects plugins > > installed but I dont know what they do because I'm new to this. > > > > Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line so to > > speak? > > > Kind regards, > > > > Jarlath > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > > -- > > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users |
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Christian Brochec
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If I understand you correctly, you means that the voice has to be closer
and the instruments little farer (like the physical placements on a stage). If so that is what I call "presence" (seems that the person is here). I'm not a sound engineer, but, according to me, the quality (the taste of the sound) of the microphone is the first. All the settings or effects you could apply after couldn't give you this "presence". But Monty could give a better qualified advice Christian BROCHEC ---- Messages d´origine ---- De: JR <turnloosetheswans@...> Date: Vendredi, Août 5, 2005 6:49 pm Objet: Re: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > Hi Rich, > > Thanks for the tip on the reverb, I will have to rerecord the > track to add > reverb. Thats not a problem. > > Volume isn't exactly what I'm talking about. I think what I'm > talking about is > audio space. Or placement in the stereo spectrum. I dont know if > this is > simply a matter of panning or if there is more to it. But > basically, some of > the tracks seem to be in the same stereo space (if I understand > the concept > correctly). But this is not a volume issue. > > Thanks again for your reply, > > Jarlath > > On Tuesday 02 August 2005 02:24 am, Rich wrote: > > I don't mean to be insulting, but since you've got the luxury of > having the > > vocals on a separate track, I have to ask the obvious: What > happens when > > you simply lower the levels on all the non-vocal tracks by 3 - 6 > decibels,> and then listening to the new mix, possibly playing > back it at a higher > > volume to compensate for the overall reduction in level? > Doesn't that > > bring up the vocals pretty nicely - even before your try any > effects? > > Notice that I'm not recommending bringing up the vocal track > level, because > > there is a limit to the overall level which you seem to have already > > reached. BTW, my favorite effect, which is a touch of > tastefully-applied > > reverb, tends to sound as if it's lowering the perceived level, > so if you > > plan to add reverb to the vocals, you'll want them even a bit > higher in > > relative level than in the dry mix. Feedback welcomed ... > > > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > > To: <audacity-users@...> > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM > > Subject: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > > > I've recorded a song with a few tracks (drums, synth1, synth2, > guitar,> > > bass, > > > > > vocals). The vocals have a healthy amplitude, but they still > sound a bit > > > faded, or overpowered by the other tracks. I have the 111 > effects plugins > > > installed but I dont know what they do because I'm new to this. > > > > > > Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front > line so to > > > > speak? > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Jarlath > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration > Strategies> > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, > straightforward articles, > > > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get > up to > > > speed, fast. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click> > -- > > > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration > Strategies> from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, > straightforward articles, > > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > PracticesAgile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & > Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf-- > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users > [cbrochec.vcf] begin:vcard n:Brochec;Christian fn:Brochec Christian tel;fax:02.96.33.78.00 tel;work:02.96.62.21.16 url:http://www2.ac-rennes.fr/crdp/22/techno/Audio.htm org:CDDP des Côtes d'Armor;Audiovisuel adr:;;30, rue Brizeux;SAINT-BRIEUC;;22 015;FRANCE version:2.1 email;internet:Christian.Brochec@... title:Animateur Audiovisuel départemental end:vcard |
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xiphmont
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 07:12:17PM +0200, Brochec Christian wrote: > If I understand you correctly, you means that the voice has to be closer > and the instruments little farer (like the physical placements on a stage). > If so that is what I call "presence" (seems that the person is here). > I'm not a sound engineer, but, according to me, the quality (the taste > of the sound) of the microphone is the first. All the settings or > effects you could apply after couldn't give you this "presence". > > But Monty could give a better qualified advice Actually, this is not my strong suit. I can give you the basics, but Jimi will probably have more complete/better practical advice to offer. Monty ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users |
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Rich-2
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In reply to this post by JR-2
Hey JR -
Now I understand better the problem you are facing. I have to be honest and say I do not know too much about this kind of problem, where tracks are colliding in the same stereo space. Perhaps if you posted an MP3 clip, we could all listen and make a suggestion. I have heard of certain techniques that use very selective narrowband filtering to isolate the frequency range of each instrument, but I don't know much more than that. But one of the comments you made may prove quite helpful: Imagine a stage (we'll call it the 'soundstage') where all the musicians stand. In your mix, you can place each instrument in that space, through panning (left-to-right) or volume level (front-to-back). It's possible you put a lot of your musicians in the same place on the stage. You might try some panning, so, for example, the drums are slightly to the left of center, the vocals are centered, the guitar is, say, 30% to the right, and the bass can go pretty much anywhere. I don't know if any of this helps ... I'm honestly a little over my head with this, and also have not heard the problematic tracks you describe. The only other thing I can think of is that you got a lot of 'bleedthrough' in your recording, where each microphone picked up a lot of sound from the other instruments/vocalists - this could give you an indistict sounding recording too. Not sure how much any of this applies ... but I hope something I said may help. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> To: <audacity-users@...> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > Hi Rich, > > Thanks for the tip on the reverb, I will have to rerecord the track to add > reverb. Thats not a problem. > > Volume isn't exactly what I'm talking about. I think what I'm talking about is > audio space. Or placement in the stereo spectrum. I dont know if this is > simply a matter of panning or if there is more to it. But basically, some of > the tracks seem to be in the same stereo space (if I understand the concept > correctly). But this is not a volume issue. > > Thanks again for your reply, > > Jarlath > > On Tuesday 02 August 2005 02:24 am, Rich wrote: > > I don't mean to be insulting, but since you've got the luxury of having the > > vocals on a separate track, I have to ask the obvious: What happens when > > you simply lower the levels on all the non-vocal tracks by 3 - 6 decibels, > > and then listening to the new mix, possibly playing back it at a higher > > volume to compensate for the overall reduction in level? Doesn't that > > bring up the vocals pretty nicely - even before your try any effects? > > Notice that I'm not recommending bringing up the vocal track level, because > > there is a limit to the overall level which you seem to have already > > reached. BTW, my favorite effect, which is a touch of tastefully-applied > > reverb, tends to sound as if it's lowering the perceived level, so if you > > plan to add reverb to the vocals, you'll want them even a bit higher in > > relative level than in the dry mix. Feedback welcomed ... > > > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > > To: <audacity-users@...> > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM > > Subject: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > > > I've recorded a song with a few tracks (drums, synth1, synth2, guitar, > > > > bass, > > > > > vocals). The vocals have a healthy amplitude, but they still sound a > > > faded, or overpowered by the other tracks. I have the 111 effects plugins > > > installed but I dont know what they do because I'm new to this. > > > > > > Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line so to > > > > speak? > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Jarlath > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > > > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > > > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > > > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > > > -- > > > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf > -- > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... 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JR-2
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Hi Rich,
Thank you again for your reply. I've Tried your suggestions, and they do improve the track a lot. I kept the vocal centered and panned everything else 30% left or right. There is no bleedthrough that I can hear on the vocal track. All instruments were recorded via line in, and the vocal was added last. I'm not sure where I can upload my mp3 to. I have a website, but I've just found out that I cant upload a file larger than 1MB. Jarlath On Friday 05 August 2005 11:31 pm, Rich wrote: > Hey JR - > > Now I understand better the problem you are facing. I have to be honest > and say I do not know too much about this kind of problem, where tracks are > colliding in the same stereo space. Perhaps if you posted an MP3 clip, we > could all listen and make a suggestion. I have heard of certain techniques > that use very selective narrowband filtering to isolate the frequency range > of each instrument, but I don't know much more than that. But one of the > comments you made may prove quite helpful: Imagine a stage (we'll call it > the 'soundstage') where all the musicians stand. In your mix, you can > place each instrument in that space, through panning (left-to-right) or > volume level (front-to-back). It's possible you put a lot of your > musicians in the same place on the stage. You might try some panning, so, > for example, the drums are slightly to the left of center, the vocals are > centered, the guitar is, say, 30% to the right, and the bass can go pretty > much anywhere. I don't know if any of this helps ... I'm honestly a little > over my head with this, and also have not heard the problematic tracks you > describe. The only other thing I can think of is that you got a lot of > 'bleedthrough' in your recording, where each microphone picked up a lot of > sound from the other instruments/vocalists - this could give you an > indistict sounding recording too. Not sure how much any of this applies > ... but I hope something I said may help. > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > To: <audacity-users@...> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > Hi Rich, > > > > Thanks for the tip on the reverb, I will have to rerecord the track to > > add reverb. Thats not a problem. > > > > Volume isn't exactly what I'm talking about. I think what I'm talking > > about is > > > audio space. Or placement in the stereo spectrum. I dont know if this is > > simply a matter of panning or if there is more to it. But basically, some > > of > > > the tracks seem to be in the same stereo space (if I understand the > > concept > > > correctly). But this is not a volume issue. > > > > Thanks again for your reply, > > > > Jarlath > > > > On Tuesday 02 August 2005 02:24 am, Rich wrote: > > > I don't mean to be insulting, but since you've got the luxury of having > > the > > > > vocals on a separate track, I have to ask the obvious: What happens > > when > > > > you simply lower the levels on all the non-vocal tracks by 3 - 6 > > decibels, > > > > and then listening to the new mix, possibly playing back it at a higher > > > volume to compensate for the overall reduction in level? Doesn't that > > > bring up the vocals pretty nicely - even before your try any effects? > > > Notice that I'm not recommending bringing up the vocal track level, > > because > > > > there is a limit to the overall level which you seem to have already > > > reached. BTW, my favorite effect, which is a touch of > > tastefully-applied > > > > reverb, tends to sound as if it's lowering the perceived level, so if > > you > > > > plan to add reverb to the vocals, you'll want them even a bit higher in > > > relative level than in the dry mix. Feedback welcomed ... > > > > > > Rich > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > > > To: <audacity-users@...> > > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM > > > Subject: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > > > > > I've recorded a song with a few tracks (drums, synth1, synth2, > > > > guitar, > > > > > > bass, > > > > > > > vocals). The vocals have a healthy amplitude, but they still sound a > > bit > > > > > faded, or overpowered by the other tracks. I have the 111 effects > > plugins > > > > > installed but I dont know what they do because I'm new to this. > > > > > > > > Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line so > > to > > > > speak? > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Jarlath > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration > > > > Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward > > > > articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to > > > > get up to speed, fast. > > > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click -- > > > > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > > > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > > > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > > > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle > > Practices > > > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & > > QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * > > http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- > > Mailing list: Audacity-users@... > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page: > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO > September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices > Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA > Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf -- Mailing list: Audacity-users@... 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Rich-2
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Hi Jarlath -
We don't need to hear the whole track - so I bet if you selected and extracted the "worst" 60 seconds of it, converted it to a 128K MP3, you might get under the 1MB limit of your website. Possibly you can also look into upgrading the limits imposed on you by your hosting company -- 1 MB is fairly inadequate by modern standards. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> To: <audacity-users@...> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > Hi Rich, > > Thank you again for your reply. I've Tried your suggestions, and they do > improve the track a lot. I kept the vocal centered and panned everything else > 30% left or right. > > There is no bleedthrough that I can hear on the vocal track. All instruments > were recorded via line in, and the vocal was added last. > > I'm not sure where I can upload my mp3 to. I have a website, but I've just > found out that I cant upload a file larger than 1MB. > > Jarlath > > On Friday 05 August 2005 11:31 pm, Rich wrote: > > Hey JR - > > > > Now I understand better the problem you are facing. I have to be honest > > and say I do not know too much about this kind of problem, where tracks > > colliding in the same stereo space. Perhaps if you posted an MP3 clip, we > > could all listen and make a suggestion. I have heard of certain techniques > > that use very selective narrowband filtering to isolate the frequency range > > of each instrument, but I don't know much more than that. But one of the > > comments you made may prove quite helpful: Imagine a stage (we'll call it > > the 'soundstage') where all the musicians stand. In your mix, you can > > place each instrument in that space, through panning (left-to-right) or > > volume level (front-to-back). It's possible you put a lot of your > > musicians in the same place on the stage. You might try some panning, so, > > for example, the drums are slightly to the left of center, the vocals are > > centered, the guitar is, say, 30% to the right, and the bass can go pretty > > much anywhere. I don't know if any of this helps ... I'm honestly a little > > over my head with this, and also have not heard the problematic tracks you > > describe. The only other thing I can think of is that you got a lot of > > 'bleedthrough' in your recording, where each microphone picked up a lot of > > sound from the other instruments/vocalists - this could give you an > > indistict sounding recording too. Not sure how much any of this applies > > ... but I hope something I said may help. > > > > Rich > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > > To: <audacity-users@...> > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > > > Hi Rich, > > > > > > Thanks for the tip on the reverb, I will have to rerecord the track to > > > add reverb. Thats not a problem. > > > > > > Volume isn't exactly what I'm talking about. I think what I'm talking > > > > about is > > > > > audio space. Or placement in the stereo spectrum. I dont know if this > > > simply a matter of panning or if there is more to it. But basically, some > > > > of > > > > > the tracks seem to be in the same stereo space (if I understand the > > > > concept > > > > > correctly). But this is not a volume issue. > > > > > > Thanks again for your reply, > > > > > > Jarlath > > > > > > On Tuesday 02 August 2005 02:24 am, Rich wrote: > > > > I don't mean to be insulting, but since you've got the luxury of > > > > the > > > > > > vocals on a separate track, I have to ask the obvious: What happens > > > > when > > > > > > you simply lower the levels on all the non-vocal tracks by 3 - 6 > > > > decibels, > > > > > > and then listening to the new mix, possibly playing back it at a > > > > volume to compensate for the overall reduction in level? Doesn't that > > > > bring up the vocals pretty nicely - even before your try any effects? > > > > Notice that I'm not recommending bringing up the vocal track level, > > > > because > > > > > > there is a limit to the overall level which you seem to have already > > > > reached. BTW, my favorite effect, which is a touch of > > > > tastefully-applied > > > > > > reverb, tends to sound as if it's lowering the perceived level, so > > > > you > > > > > > plan to add reverb to the vocals, you'll want them even a bit higher in > > > > relative level than in the dry mix. Feedback welcomed ... > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > > > > To: <audacity-users@...> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM > > > > Subject: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > > > > > > > I've recorded a song with a few tracks (drums, synth1, synth2, > > > > > guitar, > > > > > > > > bass, > > > > > > > > > vocals). The vocals have a healthy amplitude, but they still sound > > > > bit > > > > > > > faded, or overpowered by the other tracks. I have the 111 effects > > > > plugins > > > > > > > installed but I dont know what they do because I'm new to this. > > > > > > > > > > Is there some trade tip for bringing the vocals to the front line > > > > to > > > > > > speak? > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Jarlath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration > > > > > Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, > > > > > articles, informative Webcasts and more! 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Good idea, I've uploaded it to this location http://www24.brinkster.com/jreidy/snippet.mp3.zip I appreciate your help. Jarlath On Tuesday 09 August 2005 11:32 pm, Rich wrote: > Hi Jarlath - > > We don't need to hear the whole track - so I bet if you selected and > extracted the "worst" 60 seconds of it, converted it to a 128K MP3, you > might get under the 1MB limit of your website. > > Possibly you can also look into upgrading the limits imposed on you by your > hosting company -- 1 MB is fairly inadequate by modern standards. > > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JR" <turnloosetheswans@...> > To: <audacity-users@...> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Mixing with audacity > > > Hi Rich, > > > > Thank you again for your reply. I've Tried your suggestions, and they do > > improve the track a lot. I kept the vocal centered and panned everything > > else > > > 30% left or right. > > > > There is no bleedthrough that I can hear on the vocal track. All > > instruments > > > were recorded via line in, and the vocal was added last. > > > > I'm not sure where I can upload my mp3 to. I have a website, but I've > > just found out that I cant upload a file larger than 1MB. > > > > Jarlath > > > > On Friday 05 August 2005 11:31 pm, Rich wrote: > > > Hey JR - > > > > > > Now I understand better the problem you are facing. I have to be > > > honest and say I do not know too much about this kind of problem, where > > > tracks > > are > > > > colliding in the same stereo space. Perhaps if you posted an MP3 clip, > > we > > > > could all listen and make a suggestion. I have heard of certain > > techniques > > > > that use very selective narrowband filtering to isolate the frequency > > range > > > > of each instrument, but I don't know much more than that. But one of > > the > > > > comments you made may prove quite helpful: Imagine a stage (we'll call > > it > > > > the 'soundstage') where all the musicians stand. In your mix, you can > > > place each instrument in that space, through panning (left-to-right) or > > > volume level (front-to-back). It's possible you put a lot of your > > > musicians in the same place on the stage. You might try some panning, > > so, > > > > for example, the dru | ||||||||||||||||||