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Hi there

I have committed what I have on the local help thing, since I got stuck.

It has the problem that the local help files (generated by
C:\Audacity\audacity\scripts\mw2html_audacity\wiki2htm.bat) do not get
copied to an appropriate place automatically.  Can somebody fix that
please?  What we need are in compile.txt, thus:

Copy your audacity\help\manual directory (and subdirectories) into the
directory that you will get the .exe in.  So it looks like (eg)
C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\images
C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual
C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\images
C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\skins
(this should be done by an automatic process, but I can't figure it
out at the moment (MJS)).


I have tried variations of

mkdir "$(OutDir)\help"
cd "$(OutDir)"\help
xcopy ..\..\..\help\manual\  "$(OutDir)"\help\ /E /C /S /Y

in a VS project, but without any luck.

TTFN
Martyn

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| From Martyn Shaw <[hidden email]>
| Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:05:03 +0100
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Local help commit

> I have committed what I have on the local help thing, since I got stuck.
>
> It has the problem that the local help files (generated by
> C:\Audacity\audacity\scripts\mw2html_audacity\wiki2htm.bat) do not get
> copied to an appropriate place automatically.  Can somebody fix that
> please?  What we need are in compile.txt, thus:
>
> Copy your audacity\help\manual directory (and subdirectories) into the
> directory that you will get the .exe in.  So it looks like (eg)
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\images
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\images
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\skins
> (this should be done by an automatic process, but I can't figure it
> out at the moment (MJS)).
>
>
> I have tried variations of
>
> mkdir "$(OutDir)\help"
> cd "$(OutDir)"\help
> xcopy ..\..\..\help\manual\  "$(OutDir)"\help\ /E /C /S /Y
>
> in a VS project, but without any luck.

André, I noticed the dump script isn't working correctly since we moved
the manual to:
http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

It only manages to find four images after the URL change.

I've only got as far as to change it to:

python mw2html.py http://manual.audacityteam.org/ ..\..\help\temp -s
rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\manual
mkdir ..\..\help\manual
xcopy ..\..\help\temp\manual.audacityteam.org ..\..\help\manual\ /E /C /Y /Q
rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\temp

and as you'll see that still has issues such as a superfluous "title_"
in the page titles, and most of the pages in an "index.php" folder.

Questions:

* Is help being included inside 1.3.8 installers? I think it might
   be better not, given its lack of polish?

* Is "welcome message" going to reappear after 1.3.8 as a basic
   single page telling people where to look for help, and about Wiki and
   Forum (or other ideas)? "About Audacity" has what I'm suggesting
   to some extent, but few people look at that. I'll gladly write this
   replacement "Welcome" or "Getting Started" page if we want it.

I've added a link on the front page of the Manual to [[Quick Help]],
which will be known to users as "Getting Started" as per your change
to the [[Index]].
 


Thanks


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Hi Gale.

thanks for the report.

It should be fixed now.

André.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:

| From Martyn Shaw <[hidden email]>
| Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:05:03 +0100
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Local help commit
> I have committed what I have on the local help thing, since I got stuck.
>
> It has the problem that the local help files (generated by
> C:\Audacity\audacity\scripts\mw2html_audacity\wiki2htm.bat) do not get
> copied to an appropriate place automatically.  Can somebody fix that
> please?  What we need are in compile.txt, thus:
>
> Copy your audacity\help\manual directory (and subdirectories) into the
> directory that you will get the .exe in.  So it looks like (eg)
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\images
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\images
> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\skins
> (this should be done by an automatic process, but I can't figure it
> out at the moment (MJS)).
>
>
> I have tried variations of
>
> mkdir "$(OutDir)\help"
> cd "$(OutDir)"\help
> xcopy ..\..\..\help\manual\  "$(OutDir)"\help\ /E /C /S /Y
>
> in a VS project, but without any luck.

André, I noticed the dump script isn't working correctly since we moved
the manual to:
http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

It only manages to find four images after the URL change.

I've only got as far as to change it to:

python mw2html.py http://manual.audacityteam.org/ ..\..\help\temp -s
rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\manual
mkdir ..\..\help\manual
xcopy ..\..\help\temp\manual.audacityteam.org ..\..\help\manual\ /E /C /Y /Q
rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\temp

and as you'll see that still has issues such as a superfluous "title_"
in the page titles, and most of the pages in an "index.php" folder.

Questions:

* Is help being included inside 1.3.8 installers? I think it might
  be better not, given its lack of polish?

* Is "welcome message" going to reappear after 1.3.8 as a basic
  single page telling people where to look for help, and about Wiki and
  Forum (or other ideas)? "About Audacity" has what I'm suggesting
  to some extent, but few people look at that. I'll gladly write this
  replacement "Welcome" or "Getting Started" page if we want it.

I've added a link on the front page of the Manual to [[Quick Help]],
which will be known to users as "Getting Started" as per your change
to the [[Index]].



Thanks


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| From André Pinto <[hidden email]>
| Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:16:45 +0100
| Subject: [Audacity-devel] Local help commit
> thanks for the report.
>
> It should be fixed now.
>
> André.

Thanks, André. Seems to work fine on a cursory test. However the
actual structure is a bit different - the html files are and the
"skins" and principal "images" folders are now in  \help\manual rather
than \help\manual\manual.

Martyn, I must have missed your e-mail if you described it anywhere,
but now I turned "Welcome Message" back on (called "support message"
in the Interface preferences), I can see what you've done.  Given its
removal from the Help menu (which I agree with) I assumed it had
gone. Should be fine with a little sprucing like paragraphing in due
course - thanks. With reference to the support message window:

* Maybe the "Getting Started" title should now be "How to get Help"
   and change the Interface preference to reflect that?

* "Quick Guide" should probably be called "Quick Help" (the
    Quick Guide is specifically that large image of the interface):
    http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Quick_Guide

* Clicking the links to local Quick Help and Manual (if missing)
   now produce a rather nasty looking OS error (Windows).
   Could this either produce an error dialogue "You do not appear to
   have 'help' installed on your computer. Please try to view it online",
   or even have it open the local help browser to give that message,
   as if you had clicked on the appropriate menu item?  I know this
   won't usually apply.


Thanks


Gale


 
 

> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> > | From Martyn Shaw <[hidden email]>
> > | Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:05:03 +0100
> > | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Local help commit
> > > I have committed what I have on the local help thing, since I got stuck.
> > >
> > > It has the problem that the local help files (generated by
> > > C:\Audacity\audacity\scripts\mw2html_audacity\wiki2htm.bat) do not get
> > > copied to an appropriate place automatically.  Can somebody fix that
> > > please?  What we need are in compile.txt, thus:
> > >
> > > Copy your audacity\help\manual directory (and subdirectories) into the
> > > directory that you will get the .exe in.  So it looks like (eg)
> > > C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\images
> > > C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual
> > > C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\images
> > > C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\skins
> > > (this should be done by an automatic process, but I can't figure it
> > > out at the moment (MJS)).
> > >
> > >
> > > I have tried variations of
> > >
> > > mkdir "$(OutDir)\help"
> > > cd "$(OutDir)"\help
> > > xcopy ..\..\..\help\manual\  "$(OutDir)"\help\ /E /C /S /Y
> > >
> > > in a VS project, but without any luck.
> >
> > André, I noticed the dump script isn't working correctly since we moved
> > the manual to:
> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
> >
> > It only manages to find four images after the URL change.
> >
> > I've only got as far as to change it to:
> >
> > python mw2html.py http://manual.audacityteam.org/ ..\..\help\temp -s
> > rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\manual
> > mkdir ..\..\help\manual
> > xcopy ..\..\help\temp\manual.audacityteam.org ..\..\help\manual\ /E /C /Y
> > /Q
> > rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\temp
> >
> > and as you'll see that still has issues such as a superfluous "title_"
> > in the page titles, and most of the pages in an "index.php" folder.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > * Is help being included inside 1.3.8 installers? I think it might
> >   be better not, given its lack of polish?
> >
> > * Is "welcome message" going to reappear after 1.3.8 as a basic
> >   single page telling people where to look for help, and about Wiki and
> >   Forum (or other ideas)? "About Audacity" has what I'm suggesting
> >   to some extent, but few people look at that. I'll gladly write this
> >   replacement "Welcome" or "Getting Started" page if we want it.
> >
> > I've added a link on the front page of the Manual to [[Quick Help]],
> > which will be known to users as "Getting Started" as per your change
> > to the [[Index]].
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Gale
> >
> >
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Gale Andrews wrote:
> | From André Pinto <[hidden email]>
> | Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:16:45 +0100
> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Local help commit
>> thanks for the report.
>>
>> It should be fixed now.

Thanks Andre, I thought that might happen but forgot to mention it.

>>
>> André.
>
> Thanks, André. Seems to work fine on a cursory test. However the
> actual structure is a bit different - the html files are and the
> "skins" and principal "images" folders are now in  \help\manual rather
> than \help\manual\manual.

That's due to the wiki structure being different on the new server, we
can live with that and it may be neater in the end.

> Martyn, I must have missed your e-mail if you described it anywhere,
> but now I turned "Welcome Message" back on (called "support message"
> in the Interface preferences), I can see what you've done.  Given its
> removal from the Help menu (which I agree with) I assumed it had
> gone. Should be fine with a little sprucing like paragraphing in due
> course - thanks.

Glad you like it, feel free to spruce a little.

With reference to the support message window:
>
> * Maybe the "Getting Started" title should now be "How to get Help"
>    and change the Interface preference to reflect that?

Done

> * "Quick Guide" should probably be called "Quick Help" (the
>     Quick Guide is specifically that large image of the interface):
>     http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Quick_Guide

Done

> * Clicking the links to local Quick Help and Manual (if missing)
>    now produce a rather nasty looking OS error (Windows).
>    Could this either produce an error dialogue "You do not appear to
>    have 'help' installed on your computer. Please try to view it online",
>    or even have it open the local help browser to give that message,
>    as if you had clicked on the appropriate menu item?  I know this
>    won't usually apply.

I'm afraid that I won't have time for this before the code freeze, it
will have to go on the checklist (P3?).  That works OK from the menu
items.

I have also updated the links to the new server.

TTFN
Martyn

> Thanks
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>  
>  
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> | From Martyn Shaw <[hidden email]>
>>> | Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:05:03 +0100
>>> | Subject: [Audacity-devel] Local help commit
>>>> I have committed what I have on the local help thing, since I got stuck.
>>>>
>>>> It has the problem that the local help files (generated by
>>>> C:\Audacity\audacity\scripts\mw2html_audacity\wiki2htm.bat) do not get
>>>> copied to an appropriate place automatically.  Can somebody fix that
>>>> please?  What we need are in compile.txt, thus:
>>>>
>>>> Copy your audacity\help\manual directory (and subdirectories) into the
>>>> directory that you will get the .exe in.  So it looks like (eg)
>>>> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\images
>>>> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual
>>>> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\images
>>>> C:\Audacity\audacity\win\unicode debug\help\manual\skins
>>>> (this should be done by an automatic process, but I can't figure it
>>>> out at the moment (MJS)).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have tried variations of
>>>>
>>>> mkdir "$(OutDir)\help"
>>>> cd "$(OutDir)"\help
>>>> xcopy ..\..\..\help\manual\  "$(OutDir)"\help\ /E /C /S /Y
>>>>
>>>> in a VS project, but without any luck.
>>> André, I noticed the dump script isn't working correctly since we moved
>>> the manual to:
>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
>>>
>>> It only manages to find four images after the URL change.
>>>
>>> I've only got as far as to change it to:
>>>
>>> python mw2html.py http://manual.audacityteam.org/ ..\..\help\temp -s
>>> rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\manual
>>> mkdir ..\..\help\manual
>>> xcopy ..\..\help\temp\manual.audacityteam.org ..\..\help\manual\ /E /C /Y
>>> /Q
>>> rmdir /S /Q ..\..\help\temp
>>>
>>> and as you'll see that still has issues such as a superfluous "title_"
>>> in the page titles, and most of the pages in an "index.php" folder.
>>>
>>> Questions:
>>>
>>> * Is help being included inside 1.3.8 installers? I think it might
>>>   be better not, given its lack of polish?
>>>
>>> * Is "welcome message" going to reappear after 1.3.8 as a basic
>>>   single page telling people where to look for help, and about Wiki and
>>>   Forum (or other ideas)? "About Audacity" has what I'm suggesting
>>>   to some extent, but few people look at that. I'll gladly write this
>>>   replacement "Welcome" or "Getting Started" page if we want it.
>>>
>>> I've added a link on the front page of the Manual to [[Quick Help]],
>>> which will be known to users as "Getting Started" as per your change
>>> to the [[Index]].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Gale
>>>
>>>
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Gale Andrews wrote:

> * Clicking the links to local Quick Help and Manual (if missing)
>   now produce a rather nasty looking OS error (Windows).

And on Ubuntu 8.10 clicking OK in either Preferences or that Quick
help dialog crashes Audacity.

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 0x7f4f11a57780 (LWP 23585)]
0x00007f4f1059b20d in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
(gdb) bt
#0  0x00007f4f1059b20d in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#1  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#2  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#3  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#4  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#5  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#6  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#7  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#8  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#9  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#10 0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#11 0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
#12 0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
/usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0

etc.

Alexandre

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Alexandre,

This is such a strange failure (looping MakeModal()???) that I'm sort of wondering if you could try doing a completely clean checkout and fresh build from CVS.  If it still occurs after that, I'll rebuild my 8.10 Ubuntu guest and see if I can recreate it.

Leland

Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Gale Andrews wrote:
>
>> * Clicking the links to local Quick Help and Manual (if missing)
>>   now produce a rather nasty looking OS error (Windows).
>
> And on Ubuntu 8.10 clicking OK in either Preferences or that Quick
> help dialog crashes Audacity.
>
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> [Switching to Thread 0x7f4f11a57780 (LWP 23585)]
> 0x00007f4f1059b20d in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x00007f4f1059b20d in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #1  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #2  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #3  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #4  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #5  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #6  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #7  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #8  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #9  0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #10 0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #11 0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
> #12 0x00007f4f1059b213 in wxWindowBase::MakeModal () from
> /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_core-2.8.so.0
>
> etc.
>
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On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Leland wrote:
> Alexandre,
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> This is such a strange failure (looping MakeModal()???) that I'm sort of
> wondering if you could try doing a completely clean checkout and fresh
> build from CVS.  If it still occurs after that, I'll rebuild my 8.10 Ubuntu
> guest and see if I can recreate it.

It already was a clean checkout :)

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On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 20:02 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Leland wrote:
> > Alexandre,
> >
> > This is such a strange failure (looping MakeModal()???) that I'm sort of
> > wondering if you could try doing a completely clean checkout and fresh
> > build from CVS.  If it still occurs after that, I'll rebuild my 8.10 Ubuntu
> > guest and see if I can recreate it.
>
> It already was a clean checkout :)

It doesn't do it for me either. Any chance of a stack trace from a debug
build, or one that can be unwound all the way out?

Richard


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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Richard Ash wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 20:02 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Leland wrote:
>> > Alexandre,
>> >
>> > This is such a strange failure (looping MakeModal()???) that I'm sort of
>> > wondering if you could try doing a completely clean checkout and fresh
>> > build from CVS.  If it still occurs after that, I'll rebuild my 8.10 Ubuntu
>> > guest and see if I can recreate it.
>>
>> It already was a clean checkout :)
>
> It doesn't do it for me either. Any chance of a stack trace from a debug
> build, or one that can be unwound all the way out?

I'll see what I can do. That desktop is at home atm.

Alexandre

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