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gagirl

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Does a regular on a K rt. have to have 1 day of annual leave in order to take a Saturday of LWOP?
blue_goose1348

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NO.
*Dixie*

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i'm thinking LWOP u get 10 days for every 1 day of annual on a K route.

www.divshare.com/direct/3556540-f6c.pdf
Punkie5

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When taking the hi option, we can use LWOP for saturdays provided a sub is available and the route is covered.  I was told by Bridget to submit your Saturday request on Monday.  We are allowed 130 days of LWOP a year.  The Union encourages everyone to take hi opt.
RC005

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Forgive my ignorance, but I really don't understand the benefits to taking the LWOP for the 'free Saturday' on a J Route. I understand that you would get a full weekend off, but you loose a day's pay. Maybe someone here can help me out here, I think I'm missing something.
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The LWOP is NOT for the free saturday. I think you have two seperate issues you are confusing. Lets see if I can help you to understand. First-- If your Route is 49:39 it falls into 2 evaluations. A 41K or a 46J. If you take 41K you work 10 days every 2 weeks and get a lower pay. If you take 46J you make more money but you have to work 11 days in a pay. But if you take 46J and take LWOP every other week you still actually make more money than if you took the 41K because 6 hours of overtime built in versus 1 hour of overtime. Then when you take a week of vacation you get a free saturday if you take all week off. You still get paid as if you worked but they don't charge you leave for the day. Now for every 11 days of LWOP you take you will lose 1 day of AL and half a day of SL. So if you took 26 days of AL for the year (every other saturday off) you would lose 2 days of AL and 1 day of SL. There are some more oddball things you could add to the picture but that will be for another day! haha
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Currently I have every Monday off, if by some miracle my route becomes a J route, will I be able to lwop on a Monday, instead of saturdays? Am I looking at a monday off one week, and a saturday the next if I'm using lwop? Or if I come back as an H route, can I use LWOP on Monday? We have plenty of subs available both days...  (I ran my numbers again, and there's still a chance I can make the J)
ruralrandy

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The contract only "requires" that they grant LWOP on Saturday (provided there is an available sub) and for official union business, but there is nothing that says they can't approve it on Monday, it is just at the discretion of the Postmaster.  In many districts they have been instucted not to allow LWOP.
middle of nowhere

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      i don't know where i read this recently,but i'm pretty sure that a  j day  is  supposed to be a saturday only thing.
no option for you to choose what day you want..  could always depend on how much your postmaster wants to keep
you happy or how well you get along, but somewhere this is written down.  good luck!!!
luv_my_pups

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Our management is very stingy with LWOP, unless of course it is for a medical reason, and in that case we have to use up all of our leave first.  They would never allow the scenarios presented n this thread, taking multiple Saturdays and Mondays off using LWOP.  This is a huge office, and many times annual leave is denied because so many carriers put in leave requests for the same time, typically Saturdays of holiday weekends.  Generally they "just say no" to LWOP, and generally refuse to pre-aprove LWOP.
meandmurphy

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Thanks for the response! I'm tuff enough to take out anything the post office dishes out! Just a little spoiled, and very disappointed. The way they treat us sure makes you stop and think, doesn't it? I saw these two articles on Postal Reporter this morning, and I know this probably isn't the right place to post it, but well....here it is:

It seems that the Postal Service has a program through which it buys the houses of relocating employees -- instead of the employees having to sell them like everyone else does. In more stable times, that policy might not be a big deal. But in these times of plummeting home prices, it is a huge deal.

Here's a painful case in point: The Postal Service bought the McMansion (five acres, six bathrooms, indoor swimming pool) owned by the former postmaster of Lexington, S.C., when he was transferred to Carrollton, Texas. The Postal Service paid $1.2 million for the house. According to a local real estate agent, there aren't a lot of buyers for $1 million-plus houses in that area these days. That might be a problem for Joe Homeowner trying to sell his house, but if you work for the Postal Service, forgetaboutit!


Articles like this, give the impression that we (ALL postal employees) are mismanaging our funds. It gives my customers the impression that the amount of money I make is more than I deserve. How can I defend myself against this? The closest I will ever come to any McMansion will be the mailbox, or maybe the doorstep if I am dropping off a package. For the past couple of years, AOL has posted a tipping guideline that suggest the customers give nothing more than a box of candy for Christmas, or at the very most $20, but due to ‘postal policy’ carriers aren’t supposed to accept gifts.

If the post office relocates me, it will be to a cardboard box, since I wont be able to afford my own home, due to constant paycuts, from the rural mailcounts.

I am not worried about losing my benefits.  Between Blue Cross, and the PO, who can afford to use them??

If the benefits were all that great to begin with, then why are we working into our 80’s and 90’s? I don’t think it’s because we love our jobs that much! When are we going to let some fresh faces, and some NEW ideas into our work force that will allow us to grasp technology, and Grow with it instead of blaming all our problems on online billpay, and email?


Edwin S. Oliver was 18 when he was hired as a temporary employee at the Manasquan Post Office, filling in for a letter carrier who had fallen and broken a rib. That was in 1954. Oliver is still on the job, working as a window clerk . Approximately 5,000 have been on the job since 1969 and 202 since 1959, according to employment records. The longest-serving postal employee, a window clerk in New York City, was hired in 1944, but recently took sick leave. The Postal Service has several employees who still are working well into their 80s and 90s, including a 90-year-old custodian in Queens and an 89-year-old letter carrier in Birmingham, Ala.

FlipFlop

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Does taking LWOP once a month hurt in any way? How bout towards retirement?
jim

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Managers cannot be "STINGY" with LWOP.  The contract clearly states that "UPON REQUEST the regular carrier SHALL be granted annual leave or LWOP on saturday, AT THE CARRIERS OPTION, provided a leave replacement is available.  If you have a sub then you have an available leave replacement.  

These creepy, small minded managers are worried someone has it better than them, or someone is getting away with something and its none of their damn business.  Put in for the LWOP.  when they deny it, put in for AL, but instruct them that you will be grieving it and they will have a lot of paperwork to fill out when you win, getting it changed and credited properly. YOU HAVE A HUGE OFFICE?  THEY ARE OVERWORKED, OVERWHELMED?  TELL THEM WHAT THEY TELL US, "QUIT AND WE'LL FIND SOMEONE (A MANAGER) WHO WANTS TO WORK".  We need to start filing EEO complaints en masse against the bastards.  Why should they be permitted to create a hostile environment because their weiners aren't as big as mine.
nette

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Refer to Article 10.4.B.  As long as there is a sub available you can take LWOP.  You don't have to exhaust AL or SL.
luv_my_pups

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Any sub?  They are saying you have to have an assigned sub, H routes don't have subs.  Any day?  There is not ususally a sub available on Saturday in this office, but sometimes have a doc appt on non Saturday, would like to use LWOP to save annual. Had a serious illness last year, had advanced sick leave, still in negative for that.  I have asked to use LWOP because I still have to go to the doc A LOT, and bank my annual, was told no.  They know my circumstances, but that should not matter, if it is on our contrat, thats is how it is, regardless of personal situations.
luv_my_pups

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Nette, I read the whole article just now, that is referring to a Saturday that is taken in conjunction with at LEAST 6 days of annual leave, not just, hey, I want evey other Saturday off using LWOP.  I still see nothing that says one can arbitrarily take LWOP at will without restrictions.  That is what I am talking about.  I am pretty sure it will not be happening in this office.
nette

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Paragraph B is not in conjunction with the scenerio listed right before it.  I'm sure that I'm right about this one.  Take a look at it again.  The annual leave is in Paragraph A.  If they didn't let you take it when you needed and could, that is just wrong.  Our POOM told our PM that we had to use all of our leave, but she stood corrected after she was shown this section of the contract.  Believe me, if there was any way around that, she would have taken it.
nette

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Just got the NRLCA monthly mag.  It's got a section about leave time.  pg 200.
luv_my_pups

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Please share, ya I went back and read that again, got corn-fused first time, because the paragraph continued on the next page...ooops.

Would LOVE to hear more reinforcement on that, I would like to use LWOP for my doctor appointments, those dang oncologists want to see you all the time.  I am managing to deal with it, coming back to work after appointments, so far so good, but would be nice to have more flexiblility.
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under the medical leave act you can use lwop for dr appts, use just have to fill out the slips , it will be good for one year
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