Installing Plone

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articlewiki () Installing Plone
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I'm a real, real newbie, I think Plone looks awesome, have searched everywhere including searching this forum plus the web for an idiots guide to installing and I can find anything. Its just so complicated, I'm not getting this one bit...........

The front page of this Plone site states:

''Plone is easy to install. You can install Plone with a click-and-run installer, and have a content management system running on your computer in just a few minutes.''

Perhaps a little bit of an over exaggeration as:

1. What do you click to run the installer?

I have uploaded the unified installer and unpacked as per the instructions, now what?

2. The guide also states:

''Crank up your platform's package manager and make sure you've got the following installed''

How do I do this?

Sorry I know these question are probably the most basic you've seen on here but I'm really not getting it!

Best Regards,

Lee

PS Whilst this view may not be welcome at the forum, and I'm sorry if any offence is caused but the whole Plone setup seems to assume that people actually know what you're talking about in the documentation. I've been trying to install Plone for a couple of years on and off, and generally become very frustrated with the process and give up.

Just thought I'd give the forum a look to see if anyone else can help before I give up again.
cewing () Re: Installing Plone
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Lee,

I've interleaved some responses to your individual questions below:

articlewiki wrote:
I'm a real, real newbie, I think Plone looks awesome, have searched everywhere including searching this forum plus the web for an idiots guide to installing and I can find anything. Its just so complicated, I'm not getting this one bit...........
That's okay, we're here to help :)

articlewiki wrote:
The front page of this Plone site states:

''Plone is easy to install. You can install Plone with a click-and-run installer, and have a content management system running on your computer in just a few minutes.''

Perhaps a little bit of an over exaggeration as:

1. What do you click to run the installer?
If you are on a Windows or Mac OS X Platform, you can download the installers listed here:
  http://plone.org/products/plone/releases/3.2.2
Remember, for one-click installation you need to use either the Windows or the Mac OS X installer, not the 'unified installer'.  In either case, once the installer package has finished downloading to your local machine, simply click on the installer (in the Mac case, it's an .mpkg, in the window's case it's an .exe file).  From there, an installation wizard will walk you through everything.  At the end you should end up with a nice GUI application that lets you click to start up Plone.

articlewiki wrote:
I have uploaded the unified installer and unpacked as per the instructions, now what?
As with most *nix type packages, complete instructions are contained in the file 'README.txt' file in the main package folder, you'll see it if you look inside the folder that was created when you unpacked the package after downloading.  

articlewiki wrote:
2. The guide also states:

''Crank up your platform's package manager and make sure you've got the following installed''

How do I do this?
The Unified Installer, as mentioned above, is _not_ a one-click system.  It requires a bit of knowledge of command-line operations.  If you are not familiar with package managers and how to use them, I'd suggest that you stick with the one-click installers for now.  There's plenty of time to learn about rpm, apt, fink, macports or any other packaging system once you have a bit more under your belt.  'Till then, use the one-click installer and have fun!


articlewiki wrote:
PS Whilst this view may not be welcome at the forum, and I'm sorry if any offence is caused but the whole Plone setup seems to assume that people actually know what you're talking about in the documentation. I've been trying to install Plone for a couple of years on and off, and generally become very frustrated with the process and give up.

Just thought I'd give the forum a look to see if anyone else can help before I give up again.
Actually, that view is pretty widespread even among the folks who work with plone all the time.  We have a strong push going on to create more newbie-friendly documentation, including pathways through documentation that help you to understand what you should read first.  These should help you to get started more easily.  In the meantime, please don't give up :)  We're pretty friendly here and someone is always willing to lend a hand.

I hope this helps straighten some things out for you,

Cris
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Hi Cris,

thank you for a great start, I've decided to take a look at Plone in the windows environment, perhaps this will give me an insight into how to I can get it to work on an external server ( or maybe not!) which is ultimately what I want to achieve.

Thanks again Cris, your guidance is much appreciated,

Regards,

Lee
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Hi Cris,

Once again, thank you, I've decided once again to give Plone a miss, its simply too hard to understand. I've tried installing on windows and get error messages which again are not explained sufficiently in any of the manuals for me to rectify and where they are mentioned the answer is cryptic presuming  some kind of knowledge, so again a point and click install is a vast exaggeration.

Plone is amazing, it looks fabulous, support appears to be very good, however until such a time as the documentation is made more user friendly from the perspective of a total newbie I can only see that this great resource will be underused.

Best Regards,

Lee