In-world wiki

[Eloise Pasteur]

Hey there,

Someone mentioned looking for an in-world wiki the other week. I've  
slept several times since and can't remember who it was, and that's  
not really important to this email.

Anyway, it started me thinking - I use wikis out of world for a range  
of things, and one in world could be nice - but I soon came up with a  
basically impossible list of features:

Presentation of large volumes of text
Easy to embed images
Co-operative writing, sometimes one-at-a-time, but it's easy for  
anyone to change (sometimes requiring joining the wiki)
On-the-fly creation of hyperlinks (e.g. EloisePasteur links to a page  
called EloisePasteur thanks to the camel case)

That's the bare minimum I expect in a wiki, and SL struggles with all  
of these parts.

The first two, however, we can fake, badly, with notecards and  
textures embedded in the notecard.

The next one we can sort of approach - even with rather crude  
versioning (storing the older versions and allowing a reversion) but  
most definitely with no particularly robust single-editor controls.

The on-the-fly multi-way hyperlinking however remains a stumbling block.

So, my question is: Is there enough interest in such a tool to  
encourage me to take the time to develop this tool without the  
hyperlinking, or with a single link option like in the spidergram. If  
so, what other features would you expect in a wiki tool? (Bear in mind  
that you will still be limited by SL's functionality). HOAP, if  
upgraded as promised, might make this redundant of course, but to the  
best of my limited knowledge HOAP-2 isn't on the projected plans yet,  
and the first version took nearly 3 years to develop and deploy so you  
might be waiting another 2 years for it (or it might be out 2 weeks  
after I release this).

El.

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[Jeremy Koester]

Hey El,
It was me who asked about the in world wiki app. I found yours along with several others. I agree with your assessment of the challenges, and have found that there are a few projects that are nearing release that may solve some if not all of these challenges.

For the Helen Keller Day in SL on Saturday, 6/27, I've been asked to create a game. I decided to create a game that yielded an awareness document. I'll most likely be making an announcement with further details as the game starts several days before the actual event.

Peter Miller has a tool that he's going to support the game with in world. Although it's not technically linked to the actual wiki, we wanted to stick with the concept to demonstrate the idea and also to give an opportunity to engage with some representation in world.

Thanks for the response,
Jeremy Koester

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Eloise Pasteur <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey there,

Someone mentioned looking for an in-world wiki the other week. I've
slept several times since and can't remember who it was, and that's
not really important to this email.

Anyway, it started me thinking - I use wikis out of world for a range
of things, and one in world could be nice - but I soon came up with a
basically impossible list of features:

Presentation of large volumes of text
Easy to embed images
Co-operative writing, sometimes one-at-a-time, but it's easy for
anyone to change (sometimes requiring joining the wiki)
On-the-fly creation of hyperlinks (e.g. EloisePasteur links to a page
called EloisePasteur thanks to the camel case)

That's the bare minimum I expect in a wiki, and SL struggles with all
of these parts.

The first two, however, we can fake, badly, with notecards and
textures embedded in the notecard.

The next one we can sort of approach - even with rather crude
versioning (storing the older versions and allowing a reversion) but
most definitely with no particularly robust single-editor controls.

The on-the-fly multi-way hyperlinking however remains a stumbling block.

So, my question is: Is there enough interest in such a tool to
encourage me to take the time to develop this tool without the
hyperlinking, or with a single link option like in the spidergram. If
so, what other features would you expect in a wiki tool? (Bear in mind
that you will still be limited by SL's functionality). HOAP, if
upgraded as promised, might make this redundant of course, but to the
best of my limited knowledge HOAP-2 isn't on the projected plans yet,
and the first version took nearly 3 years to develop and deploy so you
might be waiting another 2 years for it (or it might be out 2 weeks
after I release this).

El.

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[Suzanne B Medders]

Eloise, this is by far the most frequently-needed kind of tool by faculty at
our university. I would gladly pay money to buy it, as I have for many good
educational tools in SL. I hope you can find the time to do it!

Suzie/Mirt


On 6/19/09 2:54 PM, "Eloise Pasteur" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> Someone mentioned looking for an in-world wiki the other week. I've
> slept several times since and can't remember who it was, and that's
> not really important to this email.
>
> Anyway, it started me thinking - I use wikis out of world for a range
> of things, and one in world could be nice - but I soon came up with a
> basically impossible list of features:
>
> Presentation of large volumes of text
> Easy to embed images
> Co-operative writing, sometimes one-at-a-time, but it's easy for
> anyone to change (sometimes requiring joining the wiki)
> On-the-fly creation of hyperlinks (e.g. EloisePasteur links to a page
> called EloisePasteur thanks to the camel case)
>
> That's the bare minimum I expect in a wiki, and SL struggles with all
> of these parts.
>
> The first two, however, we can fake, badly, with notecards and
> textures embedded in the notecard.
>
> The next one we can sort of approach - even with rather crude
> versioning (storing the older versions and allowing a reversion) but
> most definitely with no particularly robust single-editor controls.
>
> The on-the-fly multi-way hyperlinking however remains a stumbling block.
>
> So, my question is: Is there enough interest in such a tool to
> encourage me to take the time to develop this tool without the
> hyperlinking, or with a single link option like in the spidergram. If
> so, what other features would you expect in a wiki tool? (Bear in mind
> that you will still be limited by SL's functionality). HOAP, if
> upgraded as promised, might make this redundant of course, but to the
> best of my limited knowledge HOAP-2 isn't on the projected plans yet,
> and the first version took nearly 3 years to develop and deploy so you
> might be waiting another 2 years for it (or it might be out 2 weeks
> after I release this).
>
> El.
>
> http://educationaldesigns.eloisepasteur.net/
> http://eloisepasteur.net/blog/
> SL Education collaboration forum: http://forum.eloisepasteur.net/
>
>
>
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[Peter R Bloomfield]

Sorry to jump into the conversation late on this (been without net
access for a while!).

A SLOODLE survey from back in 2007, and the survey I recently
conducted for my PhD (alongside SLOODLE), definitely support what
Suzie is saying about the popularity of some kind of wiki tool in SL.
(I'll be looking into it myself as a result, but it will inevitably
take time.)

I'm inclined to agree largely with Eloise that some of the most basic
wiki features are practically impossible (or at least rather awkward)
in SL. As such, perhaps a purely in-world wiki is not realistic... but
perhaps one with a regular web-based interface as well might be more
practical?

For my research, I'm looking into integrating web-based Learning
Management Systems with virtual worlds, so would a wiki in that
context be more suitable? The SL interface could basically be a
visualization of the web-based wiki data, and would maybe allow some
(limited) degree of editing/viewing of the content -- most of the
heavily text-based work would probably still be done in a web-browser.
It would perhaps need slightly more structured metadata when creating
pages, so that suitable links can be visualized. For example, lots of
wiki pages have a section of "See Also" links, but not all of them are
necessarily as relevant as others.

An interesting possibility with this is something like the Google Wonder Wheel:

http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-03-24-n84.html

It helps you refine search terms based on what others have searched
for. Perhaps a wiki visualization could help students find pages in a
similar way, by mapping out related searches.


As a side note to anybody watching LSL development, if the whole
"http-in" thing ever makes it onto the main grid, then representing
text in-world will be a snap (I hope). An object could set itself up
as an HTTP server, and set its own URL as the parcel's media channel.
(OK, only one per-parcel would still be possible... but it would be
much easier and faster than textures or XYtext).


-Peter R. Bloomfield
(SL: Pedro McMillan)
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[Salahzar Stenvaag]

My 2 cents on this subject :)
I find wikis very interesting and useful as well.

I'm here noticing that the full featured characteristic of a wiki in
ALL its functionalities and links can be easily handled by internal
web-browser which is easily, lagless, rapid and powerfully contained
in all our clients without paying a cent , I'm asking why not
enhancing the in-world experience with such device:

i.e. We can easily build some sloodle mechanism which can query the
wikis and make them available via a simple loadURL free of charge and
not needing any land ownership, nor augmenting lag with xytext or
textures.

My opinion is that the inworld web-browser is heavily (no) under-stood
and people has been not enough trained in using it effectively.
======> Maybe if we really want to do something very exotic and brain
breaking we can build up some ajax capabilities able to handle a mouse
cursor over all the clients? ;)

But obviously anybody who feels intrigued in building it anyway is
welcome to provide a solution for educators (maybe opensource?). But
sometimes would be better not to reinvent the wheel anymoment.

One interesting (not the same but similar) idea came to some sloodle
users (namely Giancarla Loon), who proposed to mix the freemail (way
of posting automatically from sl with standard features of snapshot in
browser) with the presenter to have LIVE forums completely inworld
(but still bound to sloodle/moodle forums).

salahzar

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[Peter R Bloomfield]

I expect we cannot know what could actually work until something is
created, and people have a chance to try it out. The integrated web/SL
idea is something I will almost definitely be developing and opening
up to public evaluation in the coming months (unless somebody beats me
to it!). However, I am very aware that such a solution is not suitable
for everyone. Many people will simply want an in-world wiki tool,
without any web-based part.

It would be nice if these two tools could be built in the same way,
sharing interface elements and so on. But it may not be practical. The
metaphors may have to be significantly different.

Time and trial will tell! :-)


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(SL: Pedro McMillan)
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[Eloise Pasteur]

It's horses for courses, but I hardly ever use the in-world browser.  
It puts a big, ugly, flat floater over the world I'm trying to see and  
move around in 3D. Add to that the fact I run SL in a window and can  
have a faster, better, more fully featured browser with all my  
preferences, bookmarking for those places I want to go back to and all  
the rest running for those times I must use the internet, and it's a  
pretty easy choice for me.

If we had a prim-based wiki we could, in theory, have something that  
largely doesn't apply flat floaters over our view of the world letting  
us keep that 3D experience. However, I'm lacking a way to make it work  
nicely still. Some of the challenges I can solve, but it's still ultra-
geeky and about as usable as CLI for Linux, DOS or UNIX in this age of  
windows, icons and the like. I will keep pottering away and see if I  
can adapt it to make it nice to use in any way.

El.


On 29 Jun 2009, at 13:21, Salahzar Stenvaag wrote:

> My 2 cents on this subject :)
> I find wikis very interesting and useful as well.
>
> I'm here noticing that the full featured characteristic of a wiki in
> ALL its functionalities and links can be easily handled by internal
> web-browser which is easily, lagless, rapid and powerfully contained
> in all our clients without paying a cent , I'm asking why not
> enhancing the in-world experience with such device:
>
> i.e. We can easily build some sloodle mechanism which can query the
> wikis and make them available via a simple loadURL free of charge and
> not needing any land ownership, nor augmenting lag with xytext or
> textures.
>
> My opinion is that the inworld web-browser is heavily (no) under-stood
> and people has been not enough trained in using it effectively.
> ======> Maybe if we really want to do something very exotic and brain
> breaking we can build up some ajax capabilities able to handle a mouse
> cursor over all the clients? ;)
>
> But obviously anybody who feels intrigued in building it anyway is
> welcome to provide a solution for educators (maybe opensource?). But
> sometimes would be better not to reinvent the wheel anymoment.
>
> One interesting (not the same but similar) idea came to some sloodle
> users (namely Giancarla Loon), who proposed to mix the freemail (way
> of posting automatically from sl with standard features of snapshot in
> browser) with the presenter to have LIVE forums completely inworld
> (but still bound to sloodle/moodle forums).
>
> salahzar
>
> Fred Allen  - "California is a fine place to live - if you happen to
> be an orange." -
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/f/fred_allen.html
>
>
> 2009/6/29 Peter R Bloomfield <[hidden email]>:
>> parcel
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[Miller, Peter]

There is a degree of self-seeking here. I didn't get to any of the talks for Helen Keller Day so if anyone on the list did, I'd like to know your impressions.

One of the organisers, Willow Halfpint, sees an Accessibility Linden as being part of the way forward, bringing like-minded folk together on a more regular and coherent basis, and has nominated herself for the role (see http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4473).

Any other thoughts/outcomes? What did I miss? Apart from the griefing, that is.

Best wishes

Peter [SL: Graham Mills]

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[Denise Wood]

Hi Peter

I was one of the speakers and co-presented with Charles Mountain, who is a co-founder of virtual helping hands and also the programmer on our national funded project to develop an open source 3D virtual learning platform. Charles was one of the dedicated team who developed the virtual guide dog launched at the event. I was not able to attend all the sessions but I did get to several and there was an interesting mix of topics covered beginning with the launch by Simon Walsh who founded Wheelies. The networking was important as always. Most of us who presented in voice provided text transcriptions so I will talk to Willow and see if we can get the presentations posted in text somewhere. I think one very significant outcome was the presence and contribution to the event by Pathfinder.

It was a wonderful showcase of accessibility solutions ranging from devices in world, to strategies for making classes more accessible through to how to construct 3D environments that are accessible. The strong attendance throughout is reassuring to those of us working in this area - it demonstrates a real commitment to accessibility. I'd say a wonderful celebration and a significant milestone in raising awareness. I am sure there will be many initiatives following on from the event. The efforts and enormous energy the organizers put into pulling of this fantastic achievement, and Pathfinder for his support, are to be commended for an ambitious but noteworthy event.

Charles, Saxet (also a co-founder of virtual helping hands) and I (virtually in attendance) are presenting some of the solutions we discussed at the event at the IEEE-IBM Accessing the Future Conference to be held in Boston on 20th and 21st July. If anyone on the list is likely to be there look up Charles and see what we are up to.

Cheers

Denise

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Subject: [SLED] Accessibility: where next?

There is a degree of self-seeking here. I didn't get to any of the talks for Helen Keller Day so if anyone on the list did, I'd like to know your impressions.

One of the organisers, Willow Halfpint, sees an Accessibility Linden as being part of the way forward, bringing like-minded folk together on a more regular and coherent basis, and has nominated herself for the role (see http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4473).

Any other thoughts/outcomes? What did I miss? Apart from the griefing, that is.

Best wishes

Peter [SL: Graham Mills]

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[Miller, Peter]

I'm a little behind on this thread but would just like to draw attention to a possible role for TiddlyWiki as a part of any solution that emerges. If one assumes the primacy of the inworld 3D wiki, one needs a means of generating a web-based version of it. A TiddlyWiki is made up of small chunks called tiddlers that might equate quite nicely with a node and associated notecard.

While TiddlyWiki is primarily single-user, it has (or had -- I haven't used it for a while) the nice feature of being (fairly) readily generated programmatically. The result displays inworld as HTML-on-a-prim and has the added benefit of offering permaviews which means that you can display particular tiddlers.

More on TiddlyWiki here http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ and accounts on an online version here http://tiddlyspot.com/ .

Just a thought.

Peter [SL: Graham Mill]

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Sent: 29 June 2009 14:44
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Subject: Re: [SLED] In-world wiki

It's horses for courses, but I hardly ever use the in-world browser.  
It puts a big, ugly, flat floater over the world I'm trying to see and  
move around in 3D. Add to that the fact I run SL in a window and can  
have a faster, better, more fully featured browser with all my  
preferences, bookmarking for those places I want to go back to and all  
the rest running for those times I must use the internet, and it's a  
pretty easy choice for me.

If we had a prim-based wiki we could, in theory, have something that  
largely doesn't apply flat floaters over our view of the world letting  
us keep that 3D experience. However, I'm lacking a way to make it work  
nicely still. Some of the challenges I can solve, but it's still ultra-
geeky and about as usable as CLI for Linux, DOS or UNIX in this age of  
windows, icons and the like. I will keep pottering away and see if I  
can adapt it to make it nice to use in any way.

El.


On 29 Jun 2009, at 13:21, Salahzar Stenvaag wrote:

> My 2 cents on this subject :)
> I find wikis very interesting and useful as well.
>
> I'm here noticing that the full featured characteristic of a wiki in
> ALL its functionalities and links can be easily handled by internal
> web-browser which is easily, lagless, rapid and powerfully contained
> in all our clients without paying a cent , I'm asking why not
> enhancing the in-world experience with such device:
>
> i.e. We can easily build some sloodle mechanism which can query the
> wikis and make them available via a simple loadURL free of charge and
> not needing any land ownership, nor augmenting lag with xytext or
> textures.
>
> My opinion is that the inworld web-browser is heavily (no) under-stood
> and people has been not enough trained in using it effectively.
> ======> Maybe if we really want to do something very exotic and brain
> breaking we can build up some ajax capabilities able to handle a mouse
> cursor over all the clients? ;)
>
> But obviously anybody who feels intrigued in building it anyway is
> welcome to provide a solution for educators (maybe opensource?). But
> sometimes would be better not to reinvent the wheel anymoment.
>
> One interesting (not the same but similar) idea came to some sloodle
> users (namely Giancarla Loon), who proposed to mix the freemail (way
> of posting automatically from sl with standard features of snapshot in
> browser) with the presenter to have LIVE forums completely inworld
> (but still bound to sloodle/moodle forums).
>
> salahzar
>
> Fred Allen  - "California is a fine place to live - if you happen to
> be an orange." -
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/f/fred_allen.html
>
>
> 2009/6/29 Peter R Bloomfield <[hidden email]>:
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Can someone point me to a resource or information on how to show HTML on a prim?

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[Wood, David]

Does this help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gowmZtkrV4Y


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Can someone point me to a resource or information on how to show HTML on a prim?

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[Eloise Pasteur]

No, but I can probably tell you.

You must have a prim on land that you own, on that is owned by a group  
where you have media rights. (There are other combinations that work  
in a less satisfactory way, because you'll need someone to do at least  
some of the work for you.)

You put a texture on your prim (1 or more faces) that will be replaced  
by the website. You open the about land floater (easiest way is to  
click on the parcel name at the top of the SL window), and go to the  
media tab. There you put the same texture in the "Replace Texture" box  
about 1/4 of the way down.

You click the Set... button (near the top, on the right, at the end of  
the media URL line) and type in the URL of the webpage. You may also  
need to go up and change the Media Type drop-down to Web Content,  
although this usually auto-sets.

You probably want to select Auto scale under the texture, but try both  
ways.

That will allow you to see the web page on the prim, but only if you  
have your preferences set to play movies, and press the play button.  
That's in the Preferences>Audio & Video tab. If you check the  
"automatically play streaming media" you won't need to press play in  
future, but might this first time because it seems to trigger on  
entering a new parcel and you're not entering one.

Hope that helps. If not, the SL wiki should have a page.

El.


On 30 Jun 2009, at 15:43, Patrick Keeney wrote:

>
> Can someone point me to a resource or information on how to show  
> HTML on a prim?
>
> Pat Keeney - Instructional Designer, K12.com
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[Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC]

I signed up for a class to be held July about how to conduct classes in Second Life.  It is to be held 10-12 Eastern time every Wednesday in July, with one class being on fabrication of items in SL, and different topics for different days.  My computer crashed and I can't access the information for the class & there are so many similar items I can't tell which one I'm signed up for!  If you are in charge of this class please check that I'm enrolled and contact me ASAP off list with details (SLURLS).  Thanks!
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[Salahzar Stenvaag]

Ok, having heard you love 3D inworld solution, and since I'm also a
fan of collaborative thinking.
What about a 3D map built as a mindmap, where every person can
collaboratively touch to add nodes, connecting the nodes
change the shape, name the nodes, put notecards and links insides, and
have other getting the notecards?

Such collaborative tool can be used to effectively grow up in a
meeting like or unattended way a discussion (like a forum), or simply
letting people express something.

Know that this sounds really different from a wiki, but it seems quite
exciting and productive for collaborative work.

Actually I'm working on such mindmap tool and when it is at some alpha
stage ready to be used I will try to make you see.

My intention is not to have a all frills sophisticated tool, but
instead a KISS tool (keep it simple) to accomplish the following
goals:

1\ show some effective scripting ways for sharing objects, dialogs and
content in a community
2\ have it in a low prim manner so to facilitate the usage even in small lots
3\ enhance the game / colored spirit to instigate the people in
producing creative content

Just to let you know what I'm working on (still in alpha 0.001 phase):
* a sphere. When clicked allows for various menu:
* SIZE for changing the size of the sphere (double the size, half it,
increment, decrement)
* COLOR change the color of the sphere
* MOVE move the sphere on various directions
* REZ rez another ball on the principal directions (TOP, LEFT, FRONT,
BOTTOM, BOTTOM etc)... When child node is rezzed it will "LINK" to the
parent through particles (quite scenic to see and primless). In such
way moving the nodes will automagically move all the links with ZERO
scripting and no lag at all in the server.
* NAME for naming the node
* TYPE to change the form in a cube, pyramid, flat box, tall box,
star, point, blinking sphere :)
+ DELETE for deleting the node
+ BREAK for removing the link to parent leaving it free for creating a
new TREE of concepts
+ NOTECARD GIVE, give me the notecards inside this node, PUT, allows
people to drop in some new notecards, DEL to selectively delete old
notecards
This is just a brainstorming view, I'm currently implementing right
now the (*) points.

Do you think this kind of 3D growing concept tree, mindmap, 3d wiki,
or whatever you want to name it, can be in some ways useful for the
community?
Thanks for any feedbacks.
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[LuAnn Phillips]

YES!!!!!!!!


On Jun 30, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Salahzar Stenvaag wrote:
>
> Do you think this kind of 3D growing concept tree, mindmap, 3d wiki,
> or whatever you want to name it, can be in some ways useful for the
> community?
> Thanks for any feedbacks.
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[Birdie Newborn]

When I asked, a friend gave me a script for having a sphere get slightly larger every time a notecard is added. I don't know about the rest.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Salahzar Stenvaag <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, having heard you love 3D inworld solution, and since I'm also a
fan of collaborative thinking.
What about a 3D map built as a mindmap, where every person can
collaboratively touch to add nodes, connecting the nodes
change the shape, name the nodes, put notecards and links insides, and
have other getting the notecards?

Such collaborative tool can be used to effectively grow up in a
meeting like or unattended way a discussion (like a forum), or simply
letting people express something.

Know that this sounds really different from a wiki, but it seems quite
exciting and productive for collaborative work.

Actually I'm working on such mindmap tool and when it is at some alpha
stage ready to be used I will try to make you see.

My intention is not to have a all frills sophisticated tool, but
instead a KISS tool (keep it simple) to accomplish the following
goals:

1\ show some effective scripting ways for sharing objects, dialogs and
content in a community
2\ have it in a low prim manner so to facilitate the usage even in small lots
3\ enhance the game / colored spirit to instigate the people in
producing creative content

Just to let you know what I'm working on (still in alpha 0.001 phase):
* a sphere. When clicked allows for various menu:
* SIZE for changing the size of the sphere (double the size, half it,
increment, decrement)
* COLOR change the color of the sphere
* MOVE move the sphere on various directions
* REZ rez another ball on the principal directions (TOP, LEFT, FRONT,
BOTTOM, BOTTOM etc)... When child node is rezzed it will "LINK" to the
parent through particles (quite scenic to see and primless). In such
way moving the nodes will automagically move all the links with ZERO
scripting and no lag at all in the server.
* NAME for naming the node
* TYPE to change the form in a cube, pyramid, flat box, tall box,
star, point, blinking sphere :)
+ DELETE for deleting the node
+ BREAK for removing the link to parent leaving it free for creating a
new TREE of concepts
+ NOTECARD GIVE, give me the notecards inside this node, PUT, allows
people to drop in some new notecards, DEL to selectively delete old
notecards
This is just a brainstorming view, I'm currently implementing right
now the (*) points.

Do you think this kind of 3D growing concept tree, mindmap, 3d wiki,
or whatever you want to name it, can be in some ways useful for the
community?
Thanks for any feedbacks.
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[Eloise Pasteur]

Something like this you mean? http://educationaldesigns.eloisepasteur.net/products/spidergram.php

El.

On 1 Jul 2009, at 00:41, Salahzar Stenvaag wrote:

> Ok, having heard you love 3D inworld solution, and since I'm also a
> fan of collaborative thinking.
> What about a 3D map built as a mindmap, where every person can
> collaboratively touch to add nodes, connecting the nodes
> change the shape, name the nodes, put notecards and links insides, and
> have other getting the notecards?
>
> Such collaborative tool can be used to effectively grow up in a
> meeting like or unattended way a discussion (like a forum), or simply
> letting people express something.
>
> Know that this sounds really different from a wiki, but it seems quite
> exciting and productive for collaborative work.
>
> Actually I'm working on such mindmap tool and when it is at some alpha
> stage ready to be used I will try to make you see.
>
> My intention is not to have a all frills sophisticated tool, but
> instead a KISS tool (keep it simple) to accomplish the following
> goals:
>
> 1\ show some effective scripting ways for sharing objects, dialogs and
> content in a community
> 2\ have it in a low prim manner so to facilitate the usage even in  
> small lots
> 3\ enhance the game / colored spirit to instigate the people in
> producing creative content
>
> Just to let you know what I'm working on (still in alpha 0.001 phase):
> * a sphere. When clicked allows for various menu:
> * SIZE for changing the size of the sphere (double the size, half it,
> increment, decrement)
> * COLOR change the color of the sphere
> * MOVE move the sphere on various directions
> * REZ rez another ball on the principal directions (TOP, LEFT, FRONT,
> BOTTOM, BOTTOM etc)... When child node is rezzed it will "LINK" to the
> parent through particles (quite scenic to see and primless). In such
> way moving the nodes will automagically move all the links with ZERO
> scripting and no lag at all in the server.
> * NAME for naming the node
> * TYPE to change the form in a cube, pyramid, flat box, tall box,
> star, point, blinking sphere :)
> + DELETE for deleting the node
> + BREAK for removing the link to parent leaving it free for creating a
> new TREE of concepts
> + NOTECARD GIVE, give me the notecards inside this node, PUT, allows
> people to drop in some new notecards, DEL to selectively delete old
> notecards
> This is just a brainstorming view, I'm currently implementing right
> now the (*) points.
>
> Do you think this kind of 3D growing concept tree, mindmap, 3d wiki,
> or whatever you want to name it, can be in some ways useful for the
> community?
> Thanks for any feedbacks.
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[Miller, Peter]

Or this even! http://sites.google.com/site/muve4edu/my-widgets/storymachine/ 

Peter :)

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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Eloise Pasteur [[hidden email]]
Sent: 01 July 2009 04:01
To: SL Educators (The SLED List)
Subject: Re: [SLED] In-world wiki

Something like this you mean? http://educationaldesigns.eloisepasteur.net/products/spidergram.php

El.

On 1 Jul 2009, at 00:41, Salahzar Stenvaag wrote:

> Ok, having heard you love 3D inworld solution, and since I'm also a
> fan of collaborative thinking.
> What about a 3D map built as a mindmap, where every person can
> collaboratively touch to add nodes, connecting the nodes
> change the shape, name the nodes, put notecards and links insides, and
> have other getting the notecards?
>
> Such collaborative tool can be used to effectively grow up in a
> meeting like or unattended way a discussion (like a forum), or simply
> letting people express something.
>
> Know that this sounds really different from a wiki, but it seems quite
> exciting and productive for collaborative work.
>
> Actually I'm working on such mindmap tool and when it is at some alpha
> stage ready to be used I will try to make you see.
>
> My intention is not to have a all frills sophisticated tool, but
> instead a KISS tool (keep it simple) to accomplish the following
> goals:
>
> 1\ show some effective scripting ways for sharing objects, dialogs and
> content in a community
> 2\ have it in a low prim manner so to facilitate the usage even in
> small lots
> 3\ enhance the game / colored spirit to instigate the people in
> producing creative content
>
> Just to let you know what I'm working on (still in alpha 0.001 phase):
> * a sphere. When clicked allows for various menu:
> * SIZE for changing the size of the sphere (double the size, half it,
> increment, decrement)
> * COLOR change the color of the sphere
> * MOVE move the sphere on various directions
> * REZ rez another ball on the principal directions (TOP, LEFT, FRONT,
> BOTTOM, BOTTOM etc)... When child node is rezzed it will "LINK" to the
> parent through particles (quite scenic to see and primless). In such
> way moving the nodes will automagically move all the links with ZERO
> scripting and no lag at all in the server.
> * NAME for naming the node
> * TYPE to change the form in a cube, pyramid, flat box, tall box,
> star, point, blinking sphere :)
> + DELETE for deleting the node
> + BREAK for removing the link to parent leaving it free for creating a
> new TREE of concepts
> + NOTECARD GIVE, give me the notecards inside this node, PUT, allows
> people to drop in some new notecards, DEL to selectively delete old
> notecards
> This is just a brainstorming view, I'm currently implementing right
> now the (*) points.
>
> Do you think this kind of 3D growing concept tree, mindmap, 3d wiki,
> or whatever you want to name it, can be in some ways useful for the
> community?
> Thanks for any feedbacks.
> _______________________________________________
> Educators mailing list
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