IETF - pro and con

[Olle E. Johansson]

There's been a lot of virtual slander of the work in the IETF on this  
list lately...

I keep wondering, why doesn't people like us start working more in the  
IETF and change stuff? Are we not patience enough, are we not  
brilliant enough?

For myself I can't spend much time on it, since it doesn't generate  
any immediate revenue. There's a lot of stuff I could do, but at the  
end of the month, I would have no salary that pays for food... It's  
quite simple.

Which means that the result in the IETF is far away from reality and  
that we reach further separation between IETF SIP and practical  
implementations, which is BAD for the overall community.

/O

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[Juha Heinanen]

Olle E. Johansson writes:

 > I keep wondering, why doesn't people like us start working more in the  
 > IETF and change stuff? Are we not patience enough, are we not  
 > brilliant enough?

ietf sip wg was taken over by ims guys already many years ago.  all they
seem to do is rubber stamp ims specifications to make them look like
internet stuff.

-- juha

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[Iñaki Baz Castillo]

El Sábado, 7 de Noviembre de 2009, Juha Heinanen escribió:
> Olle E. Johansson writes:
>  > I keep wondering, why doesn't people like us start working more in the
>  > IETF and change stuff? Are we not patience enough, are we not
>  > brilliant enough?
>
> ietf sip wg was taken over by ims guys already many years ago.  all they
> seem to do is rubber stamp ims specifications to make them look like
> internet stuff.

For example, IMS vendors are not interested in "multidomain" as in their
private networks there is no *real* multidomain (a PSTN number identifies an
user globally, domain "doesn't matter").

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Iñaki Baz Castillo <[hidden email]>

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[Klaus Darilion]

Olle E. Johansson schrieb:
> There's been a lot of virtual slander of the work in the IETF on this
> list lately...
>
> I keep wondering, why doesn't people like us start working more in the
> IETF and change stuff? Are we not patience enough, are we not brilliant
> enough?

Because IETF is too cumbersome and simple pragmatic solutions are not
accepted :-)

>
> For myself I can't spend much time on it, since it doesn't generate any
> immediate revenue. There's a lot of stuff I could do, but at the end of
> the month, I would have no salary that pays for food... It's quite simple.
>
> Which means that the result in the IETF is far away from reality and
> that we reach further separation between IETF SIP and practical
> implementations, which is BAD for the overall community.
>
> /O
>
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[Martin Hoffmann]

Klaus Darilion wrote:

> Olle E. Johansson schrieb:
> >There's been a lot of virtual slander of the work in the IETF on
> >this list lately...
> >
> >I keep wondering, why doesn't people like us start working more in
> >the IETF and change stuff? Are we not patience enough, are we not
> >brilliant enough?
>
> Because IETF is too cumbersome and simple pragmatic solutions are
> not accepted :-)

There may be some truth to the answer, but there is also the fact that
simple pragmatic solutions often only work for a very limited audience.

Take the nathelper example. Sure it works brilliantly if you have a
simple network and have everything under your control. But when things
get a bit more complex, there is interop issues aplenty.

Most of the stuff coming out of IETF you can easily ignore. And if you
have something working, you may very well get it through. XMPP is an
example of that. In the SIP world, it seems the attitude currently is
changing a bit towards that too.

Regards,
Martin


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[Victor Pascual Avila]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Martin Hoffmann
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> Most of the stuff coming out of IETF you can easily ignore. And if you
> have something working, you may very well get it through. XMPP is an
> example of that. In the SIP world, it seems the attitude currently is
> changing a bit towards that too.

These are a couple of very fresh messages from today:

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dispatch/current/msg00901.html
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0556433.htm

Cheers,
--
Victor Pascual Ávila

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