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Moab Rocker () I'll be leaving this listserve now

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http://n2.nabble.com/Canyonlands-Sustainable-Solutions-f530457.html

is a link to a page where our CSS posts are being forwarded to a Nabble page, something I’m just learning about. It was pointed out to me by Karl Larsen that someone was disparaging my character on the Times Independent blog (see earlier emails). I’ve followed up on this, due to the agitated nature of the writer of the posts, and find that the above link was cut & pasted on the TI blog. Somehow, Someone signed up an e-mail address which posts all our emails onto this site. This could have only been done by the e-mail manager at the time. This particular page was created by Franklin Seal on July 16, which you can see at the bottom of the page.

I’ve enjoyed interacting with all of you, but I’m not interested in this type of subversion. I truly have wishes for a loving, interactive community and wish you all the best as you move towards this goal. I know that time will prove our common needs & goals will have to come from communication and evolutionary behavior. Not in-fighting and control issues.

I will be continuing my efforts to stop the irresponsible development in our City/County – and hope that you all realize the un-sustainability of the ill-placed developments that are currently being approved. Thanks for whatever activism you participate in.

Sincerely,

Julianne Fitzgerald

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marcia tendick () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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This is outrageous. Can someone please explain what is going on??!!

Thanks,

Marcia

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Julianne <[hidden email]> wrote:

http://n2.nabble.com/Canyonlands-Sustainable-Solutions-f530457.html

is a link to a page where our CSS posts are being forwarded to a Nabble page, something I'm just learning about. It was pointed out to me by Karl Larsen that someone was disparaging my character on the Times Independent blog (see earlier emails). I've followed up on this, due to the agitated nature of the writer of the posts, and find that the above link was cut & pasted on the TI blog. Somehow, Someone signed up an e-mail address which posts all our emails onto this site. This could have only been done by the e-mail manager at the time. This particular page was created by Franklin Seal on July 16, which you can see at the bottom of the page.

I've enjoyed interacting with all of you, but I'm not interested in this type of subversion. I truly have wishes for a loving, interactive community and wish you all the best as you move towards this goal. I know that time will prove our common needs & goals will have to come from communication and evolutionary behavior. Not in-fighting and control issues.

I will be continuing my efforts to stop the irresponsible development in our City/County – and hope that you all realize the un-sustainability of the ill-placed developments that are currently being approved. Thanks for whatever activism you participate in.

Sincerely,

Julianne Fitzgerald

Chris Baird-2 () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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CSS has always been an open forum. Anybody can read it at google groups. Who cares if it is reproduced on another site?

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of marcia tendick
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:37 PM
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Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

This is outrageous. Can someone please explain what is going on??!!

Thanks,

Marcia

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Julianne <[hidden email]> wrote:

http://n2.nabble.com/Canyonlands-Sustainable-Solutions-f530457.html

is a link to a page where our CSS posts are being forwarded to a Nabble page, something I'm just learning about. It was pointed out to me by Karl Larsen that someone was disparaging my character on the Times Independent blog (see earlier emails). I've followed up on this, due to the agitated nature of the writer of the posts, and find that the above link was cut & pasted on the TI blog. Somehow, Someone signed up an e-mail address which posts all our emails onto this site. This could have only been done by the e-mail manager at the time. This particular page was created by Franklin Seal on July 16, which you can see at the bottom of the page.

I've enjoyed interacting with all of you, but I'm not interested in this type of subversion. I truly have wishes for a loving, interactive community and wish you all the best as you move towards this goal. I know that time will prove our common needs & goals will have to come from communication and evolutionary behavior. Not in-fighting and control issues.

Sincerely,

Julianne Fitzgerald

Mike Suarez () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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I ran into Franklin today. He said that, when CSS was first conceived and started up, it was decided that it would be an “open” forum – one that anybody could join in. I guess that means that, of course, anybody could get the e-mails and send them anywhere, even automatically.

He said that perhaps some of the later arrivals on the listserv didn’t realize that.

Mike S.

This is outrageous. Can someone please explain what is going on??!!

Thanks,

Marcia

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Julianne <[hidden email]> wrote:

http://n2.nabble.com/Canyonlands-Sustainable-Solutions-f530457.html

Sincerely,

Julianne Fitzgerald

Craig Hibberd () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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The CSS - Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions web page is open to the
whole world. Anyone can go there and read every email and every
attachment. Here is the link:

http://groups.google.com/group/canyonlandssustainable?lnk=srg

- Craig

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marcia tendick () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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But didn't Julianne say that her emails had been doctored? Or was it just that it/they was /were cut and pasted and then there were some nasty responses on the TI blog? I am still not clear about what your complaint is, Julie - I guess because we were not able to read what it was that offended you??

Anyway, thanks to Craig, Chris, Mike and Franklin for spelling out the fact that our emails to CSS are accessible anywhere and everywhere!

marcia

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Craig Hibberd <[hidden email]> wrote:

The CSS - Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions web page is open to the
whole world. Anyone can go there and read every email and every
attachment. Here is the link:

http://groups.google.com/group/canyonlandssustainable?lnk=srg

- Craig

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Mike Suarez () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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I may have misunderstood, but I didn’t understand Julie to say her e-mails themselves had been doctored. I understood that her motivation for her actions had been impugned, based on false factual representations.

Marcia, if Julianne has left the listserv, you’ll probably have to e-mail her directly with this.

Mike

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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:19 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

Anyway, thanks to Craig, Chris, Mike and Franklin for spelling out the fact that our emails to CSS are accessible anywhere and everywhere!

marcia

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Craig Hibberd <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Chris Baird-2 () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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The initial goal of CSS was to involve as many facets of the community as possible in a discussion about how to better deal with rising energy prices and resource shortages. Every aspect of the community, regardless of political inclination, has something to offer. If CSS is to involve the whole community, the members have to be very tactful about discussing political differences. Internet forums are a terrible place to try and understand and communicate with someone about political differences.

It is my hope that CSS members will be open minded and respectful in their posts, and, rather than emphasize political differences, will try to look beyond that and find common ground in ways that anyone, liberal or conservative, can work together to support sustainable ways of living in hard times. There are so many things that could be easy common ground. Let’s focus on those things and invite the whole community in, check your politics at the door, and find ways to work together.

Chris Baird

Anyway, thanks to Craig, Chris, Mike and Franklin for spelling out the fact that our emails to CSS are accessible anywhere and everywhere!

marcia

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Craig Hibberd <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Jennifer Sadoff () Upcoming Workshops at the Youth Garden Project

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We'd like to announce the final workshops in the Sustainable Agriculture
Series. We have had one request not to send the hunting info due to
personal feelings about the issue, but since this is a list-serve, we
are unable to control who it is sent to (sorry). Please delete this
e-mail if you have no interest in hunting.

First up:

On Sunday November 2nd from 2 to 4 pm the Youth Garden Project and
WabiSabi will sponsor a closer look at Castle Valley Creamery, the folks
behind the fabulous goat cheese sold at the Moab Farmers’ Market. Erik
Secrist will be on hand to answer all your questions about goat
husbandry
and cheese-making. The entire afternoon will be spent at the Creamery;
to
carpool from Moab, meet at YGP at 1:30 pm. Cost is $5; please RSVP to
YGP
at 259-BEAN (2326) or to [hidden email].

Second:

On Saturday November 8 from 8:30 am to 12:30 pm Scott Anderson and Trish
Hedin will lead a workshop on the basics of ethical hunting and
butchering. Trish writes, “Fall is synonymous with hunting, a time when
game is fattening up for winter and when locals are bringing in their
protein for the season ahead. Local hunters and the Division of
Wildlife
Resources will introduce you to the basics of hunting and butchering.
During the workshop, you'll be acquainted to the game species of Utah,
hunting privileges within the state and how to go about getting a tag.
We
will introduce the various weapons that are used for hunting both
mammals
and birds, what weapons are appropriate, cost and an ethical range in
which to hunt game animals. We will also bring in the basic concepts of
game species that exist around Moab, their habitat, behavior patterns
and
what it takes to track a game animal. Lastly (for those that aren't
ready
for the butchering aspect, they can leave at this junction) we'll
introduce butchering of game using a domesticated animal. The entire
workshop will hinge on the concepts of ethical hunting (having a tag,
shooting at an appropriate range, tracking and hunting during
appropriate
conditions, and avoiding waste during butchering). We believe that
hunting is a key component to providing a sustainable community in
correlation with providing healthy and sustainable game flocks and
herds.”
The workshop will be held at YGP; please RSVP to YGP at 259-BEAN (2326)
or to [hidden email] by November 1st to reserve a spot.
A minimum of 8 people are needed for the workshop to be held; please
call
or email today if you are interested.

And then:

Join us Saturday November 15th at 11am, TreeUtah, the Youth Garden
Project and WabiSabi will sponsor a tree planting workshop. Learn the
basics of proper planting, pruning, selection and care for trees here
in Moab. We will plant five trees of various sizes during the
workshop. Lunch will be provided and this workshop is FREE! To RSVP
for the tree planting, please call 259-2326. A huge thanks to TreeUtah
for providing the trees for this planting!

Finally:

There has been some interest expressed in a workshop on veganism. Sara
Melnicoff writes that it was "for the animals [that], after 31 years as
a
vegetarian, I took the extra step of going vegan about 5 years ago. I
feel so much better physically, emotionally, and spiritually." While
the
workshop series for 2008 is complete, if you are interested in attending
(or teaching!) a workshop next year on eating vegan, please feel free
to let me know by
emailing [hidden email].

Thanks, everyone! Enjoy your fall, and please do RSVP if you'd like to
participate in either of the upcoming workshops.

Katie

--
Katie Martin
Program Coordinator
Youth Garden Project
530 S. 400 East
Moab, UT 84532

(435) 259-2326

www.youthgardenproject.org

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Mike Suarez () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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Phrasing such as “To look beyond” political differences is itself a bit disrespectful.” “Disregarding political differences” is equally accurate, without implying that such disregard is somehow morally superior to political involvement.

But I do think that I’m beginning to better understand what’s proposed for this group. If I understand it correctly, the idea is to explore “sustainable” practices without paying any attention to political activities that might help or hinder the execution of those practices. In other words, exchange ideas about farming in the valley, or rammed-earth construction, or solar power, or other such ideas, without any discussion of political realities that might make such things easier or more difficult - or virtually impossible - to achieve on a wider scale, such things as, for example, the carrying capacity of the valley.

If that’s the purpose of the group, fine. I’ll be interested to see what passes back and forth, although I may not be able to contribute much. I’m a lawyer by training, so I don’t know much about farming, construction, etc. So I may not have much to say – unless someone implies the moral superiority of disregarding the impact of governmental and political realities. I’ve worked too hard in that area, with too many good people – who’ve paid too high a price for too long – to just let such comments pass without response.

Otherwise, I’ll probably be pretty quiet.

Mike Suarez

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Chris Baird
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:31 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

Chris Baird

Anyway, thanks to Craig, Chris, Mike and Franklin for spelling out the fact that our emails to CSS are accessible anywhere and everywhere!

marcia

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ripple-2 () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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In the spirit of the Moab Literary Confluence occurring this week: "Sentiment without action is the ruin of the soul."

-Edward Abbey

Individual action implies and ultimately requires collective organizing. Collective action - common ground - implicates political activity. From chickens in the backyard, to tailings in the water and greenhouse emissions in the air, to wars that perpetuate hatred, division, suffering, environmental devastation and diverted resources...

Thanks Mike, Chris, Julianne, and everyone else contributing and organizing.

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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:39 PM
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Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

Otherwise, I’ll probably be pretty quiet.

Mike Suarez

Chris Baird

Anyway, thanks to Craig, Chris, Mike and Franklin for spelling out the fact that our emails to CSS are accessible anywhere and everywhere!

marcia

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Craig Hibberd <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Judy Powers () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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Well done, and I 'm glad you are running for office. Good luck. Judy

Chris Baird wrote:

> The initial goal of CSS was to involve as many facets of the community
> as possible in a discussion about how to better deal with rising
> energy prices and resource shortages. Every aspect of the community,
> regardless of political inclination, has something to offer. If CSS is
> to involve the whole community, the members have to be very tactful
> about discussing political differences. Internet forums are a terrible
> place to try and understand and communicate with someone about
> political differences.
>
> It is my hope that CSS members will be open minded and respectful in
> their posts, and, rather than emphasize political differences, will
> try to look beyond that and find common ground in ways that anyone,
> liberal or conservative, can work together to support sustainable ways
> of living in hard times. There are so many things that could be easy
> common ground. Let’s focus on those things and invite the whole
> community in, check your politics at the door, and find ways to work
> together.
>
> Chris Baird
>
> *From:* [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *marcia
> tendick
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:19 AM
> *To:* [hidden email]
> *Subject:* [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now
>
> But didn't Julianne say that her emails had been doctored? Or was it
> just that it/they was /were cut and pasted and then there were some
> nasty responses on the TI blog? I am still not clear about what your
> complaint is, Julie - I guess because we were not able to read what it
> was that offended you??
>
> Anyway, thanks to Craig, Chris, Mike and Franklin for spelling out the
> fact that our emails to CSS are accessible anywhere and everywhere!
>
> marcia
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Craig Hibberd <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>
> The CSS - Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions web page is open to the
> whole world. Anyone can go there and read every email and every
> attachment. Here is the link:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/canyonlandssustainable?lnk=srg
>
> - Craig
>
>
>
> <br
>
>
> >

Judy Powers () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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You be quiet!?!!!!! I sincerely doubt, it really helps me to have these
perspectives. The whole picture is very difficult to grasp in just a
couple looks.
Judy

Mike Suarez wrote:

> Phrasing such as “To look beyond” political differences is itself a
> bit disrespectful.” “Disregarding political differences” is equally
> accurate, without implying that such disregard is somehow morally
> superior to political involvement.
>
> But I do think that I’m beginning to better understand what’s proposed
> for this group. If I understand it correctly, the idea is to explore
> “sustainable” practices without paying any attention to political
> activities that might help or hinder the execution of those practices.
> In other words, exchange ideas about farming in the valley, or
> rammed-earth construction, or solar power, or other such ideas,
> without any discussion of political realities that might make such
> things easier or more difficult - or virtually impossible - to achieve
> on a wider scale, such things as, for example, the carrying capacity
> of the valley.
>
> If that’s the purpose of the group, fine. I’ll be interested to see
> what passes back and forth, although I may not be able to contribute
> much. I’m a lawyer by training, so I don’t know much about farming,
> construction, etc. So I may not have much to say – unless someone
> implies the moral superiority of disregarding the impact of
> governmental and political realities. I’ve worked too hard in that
> area, with too many good people – who’ve paid too high a price for too
> long – to just let such comments pass without response.
>
> Otherwise, I’ll probably be pretty quiet.
>
> Mike Suarez
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:31 PM
> *To:* [hidden email]
> *Subject:* [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now
>
> The initial goal of CSS was to involve as many facets of the community
> as possible in a discussion about how to better deal with rising
> energy prices and resource shortages. Every aspect of the community,
> regardless of political inclination, has something to offer. If CSS is
> to involve the whole community, the members have to be very tactful
> about discussing political differences. Internet forums are a terrible
> place to try and understand and communicate with someone about
> political differences.
>
> It is my hope that CSS members will be open minded and respectful in
> their posts, and, rather than emphasize political differences, will
> try to look beyond that and find common ground in ways that anyone,
> liberal or conservative, can work together to support sustainable ways
> of living in hard times. There are so many things that could be easy
> common ground. Let’s focus on those things and invite the whole
> community in, check your politics at the door, and find ways to work
> together.
>
> Chris Baird
>
> *From:* [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] *On Behalf Of *marcia
> tendick
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:19 AM
> *To:* [hidden email]
> *Subject:* [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now
>
> But didn't Julianne say that her emails had been doctored? Or was it
> just that it/they was /were cut and pasted and then there were some
> nasty responses on the TI blog? I am still not clear about what your
> complaint is, Julie - I guess because we were not able to read what it
> was that offended you??
>
> Anyway, thanks to Craig, Chris, Mike and Franklin for spelling out the
> fact that our emails to CSS are accessible anywhere and everywhere!
>
> marcia
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Craig Hibberd <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>
> The CSS - Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions web page is open to the
> whole world. Anyone can go there and read every email and every
> attachment. Here is the link:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/canyonlandssustainable?lnk=srg
>
> - Craig
>
>
>
> <br
>
>
>
> >
>

solarmon () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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Stephen Stills once said in an interview in Rolling Stone, in about
1968, that "Politics is Bbullshit"

I largely agree with that, BUT,bullshit . . aka manure. .is a great
organic fertilizer, and this group IS supposed to be about sustainable
gardening and things of that nature.

Maybe we should EMBRACE politics here. .or at least spread it on our
gardens

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Kevin Fitzgerald-2 () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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Your Great, Solarmon!!!! A Little BS thrown around at times keeps the
climate Festive to say the least!!!

And composting a few Politicians is not a bad Idea!!!

Smile Ya'All... 'Hope' is all we got and a good Food Supply - Water
Source - and a bit a Sustainable Energy will go a long way in this coming
'Long Emergency'... And Peace/Compassion to all...

Hey - Maybe we could set up a nice Energy Producing System with Methane...
As an old Dairy Farmer in a previous life... I can speak from Experience
that that stuff is some Gooood Sh**! :}

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From: "solarmon" <[hidden email]>
To: "Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

>
> Stephen Stills once said in an interview in Rolling Stone, in about
> 1968, that "Politics is Bbullshit"
>
> I largely agree with that, BUT,bullshit . . aka manure. .is a great
> organic fertilizer, and this group IS supposed to be about sustainable
> gardening and things of that nature.
>
> Maybe we should EMBRACE politics here. .or at least spread it on our
> gardens
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>

Judy Powers () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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that's it. We could use the cows and our own hot air to power things. Judy

Kevin Fitzgerald wrote:

>Your Great, Solarmon!!!! A Little BS thrown around at times keeps the
>climate Festive to say the least!!!
>
>And composting a few Politicians is not a bad Idea!!!
>
>Smile Ya'All... 'Hope' is all we got and a good Food Supply - Water
>Source - and a bit a Sustainable Energy will go a long way in this coming
>'Long Emergency'... And Peace/Compassion to all...
>
>Hey - Maybe we could set up a nice Energy Producing System with Methane...
>As an old Dairy Farmer in a previous life... I can speak from Experience
>that that stuff is some Gooood Sh**! :}
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "solarmon" <[hidden email]>
>To: "Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions"
><[hidden email]>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:32 PM
>Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now
>
>
>
>
>>Stephen Stills once said in an interview in Rolling Stone, in about
>>1968, that "Politics is Bbullshit"
>>
>>I largely agree with that, BUT,bullshit . . aka manure. .is a great
>>organic fertilizer, and this group IS supposed to be about sustainable
>>gardening and things of that nature.
>>
>>Maybe we should EMBRACE politics here. .or at least spread it on our
>>gardens
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Kevin Fitzgerald-2 () Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

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Yessss.... Yessss... Judy... Love It!!! And the Hot Air could heat our
homes and our water and our greenhouses and our solar concentrators and on
and on it goes... Why Not??? -

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Powers" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now

>
> that's it. We could use the cows and our own hot air to power things. Judy
>
> Kevin Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>>Your Great, Solarmon!!!! A Little BS thrown around at times keeps the
>>climate Festive to say the least!!!
>>
>>And composting a few Politicians is not a bad Idea!!!
>>
>>Smile Ya'All... 'Hope' is all we got and a good Food Supply - Water
>>Source - and a bit a Sustainable Energy will go a long way in this coming
>>'Long Emergency'... And Peace/Compassion to all...
>>
>>Hey - Maybe we could set up a nice Energy Producing System with Methane...
>>As an old Dairy Farmer in a previous life... I can speak from Experience
>>that that stuff is some Gooood Sh**! :}
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "solarmon" <[hidden email]>
>>To: "Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions"
>><[hidden email]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:32 PM
>>Subject: [CSS] Re: I'll be leaving this listserve now
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Stephen Stills once said in an interview in Rolling Stone, in about
>>>1968, that "Politics is Bbullshit"
>>>
>>>I largely agree with that, BUT,bullshit . . aka manure. .is a great
>>>organic fertilizer, and this group IS supposed to be about sustainable
>>>gardening and things of that nature.
>>>
>>>Maybe we should EMBRACE politics here. .or at least spread it on our
>>>gardens
>>>
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