Historical Boundaries Dataset

[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

Is this the right place to ask something like that?? If not please
direct me to a more appropriate place. :)

Does somebody know if there is a Historical Boundaries Dataset from
around 1900 of the complete world? Especially colonial borders in Africa
of that time are of interest, but the rest of the world also.

Thanks and regards,
Christian

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[Rafal Wawer]

Hi,
In case you won't find such dataset, you can digitize the boundaries
yourself, basing upon a scan of old atlas map from the repository of David
Rumsey Map Collection. You can georeference it easily, eg in Quantum GIS and
use at least as a background.

Best regards:
Raf

Dr. Rafal Wawer
K.U.Leuven
R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
Belgium
tel. [phone]


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Hello,

Is this the right place to ask something like that?? If not please
direct me to a more appropriate place. :)

Does somebody know if there is a Historical Boundaries Dataset from
around 1900 of the complete world? Especially colonial borders in Africa
of that time are of interest, but the rest of the world also.

Thanks and regards,
Christian

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[Christian Willmes]

thanks Rafal,

Yes I know that way, and we have nice maps in the mapcollection of our
Instiute from that time and also a good A0 Format Scanner, but I try to
avoid that kind of work... ;-)

but If I do It that way, would it be legal to publish the digitized data
under a free open licence to share it with the community, even if the
(paper)map itself is copyrighted?

best regards,
Christian

Rafal Wawer schrieb:

> Hi,
> In case you won't find such dataset, you can digitize the boundaries
> yourself, basing upon a scan of old atlas map from the repository of
> David Rumsey Map Collection. You can georeference it easily, eg in
> Quantum GIS and use at least as a background.
>
> Best regards:
> Raf
>
> Dr. Rafal Wawer
> K.U.Leuven
> R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
> Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
> BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
> Belgium
> tel. [phone]
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Willmes"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:35 PM
> Subject: [Geodata] Historical Boundaries Dataset
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is this the right place to ask something like that?? If not please
> direct me to a more appropriate place. :)
>
> Does somebody know if there is a Historical Boundaries Dataset from
> around 1900 of the complete world? Especially colonial borders in Africa
> of that time are of interest, but the rest of the world also.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Christian
>

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Geographisches Institut     | Institute of Geography
Universität Köln            | University of Cologne
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[Christopher Schmidt]

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:06:53PM +0100, Christian Willmes wrote:
> thanks Rafal,
>
> Yes I know that way, and we have nice maps in the mapcollection of our
> Instiute from that time and also a good A0 Format Scanner, but I try to
> avoid that kind of work... ;-)
>
> but If I do It that way, would it be legal to publish the digitized data
> under a free open licence to share it with the community, even if the
> (paper)map itself is copyrighted?

"It depends."

If the copyright of the map is still active: Generally speaking, probably not.
However, most maps from the 1900s may actually have been created arund that
time, in which case the copyright may well have expired. In that case, it would
be allowabl, I believe.

-- Chris

> best regards,
> Christian
>
> Rafal Wawer schrieb:
> > Hi,
> > In case you won't find such dataset, you can digitize the boundaries
> > yourself, basing upon a scan of old atlas map from the repository of
> > David Rumsey Map Collection. You can georeference it easily, eg in
> > Quantum GIS and use at least as a background.
> >
> > Best regards:
> > Raf
> >
> > Dr. Rafal Wawer
> > K.U.Leuven
> > R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
> > Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
> > BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
> > Belgium
> > tel. [phone]
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Willmes"
> > <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:35 PM
> > Subject: [Geodata] Historical Boundaries Dataset
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is this the right place to ask something like that?? If not please
> > direct me to a more appropriate place. :)
> >
> > Does somebody know if there is a Historical Boundaries Dataset from
> > around 1900 of the complete world? Especially colonial borders in Africa
> > of that time are of interest, but the rest of the world also.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Christian
> >
>
>
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> Geographisches Institut     | Institute of Geography
> Universität Köln            | University of Cologne
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[Rafal Wawer]

Hi Christian,
The scanned maps form the  Rumsey Map Collection is published under the
Creative Commons License:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/

as stated on the bottom of this page:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/index4.html

in seciton "copyright information". So you can digitize and publish the
results inunder the same CCL license, the only other thing you have to do is
attributing the source.

Actually you can avoid following the license - if the mandatory attribution
does not suit you - by scanning maps yourself. I do not think any copyrights
apply for the atlas maps form XIXth or XVIII century - but it is always wise
to check (-:

Best regards:
Raf

Dr. Rafal Wawer
K.U.Leuven
R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
Belgium
tel. [phone]



----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Willmes" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Geodata] Historical Boundaries Dataset


thanks Rafal,

Yes I know that way, and we have nice maps in the mapcollection of our
Instiute from that time and also a good A0 Format Scanner, but I try to
avoid that kind of work... ;-)

but If I do It that way, would it be legal to publish the digitized data
under a free open licence to share it with the community, even if the
(paper)map itself is copyrighted?

best regards,
Christian

Rafal Wawer schrieb:

> Hi,
> In case you won't find such dataset, you can digitize the boundaries
> yourself, basing upon a scan of old atlas map from the repository of
> David Rumsey Map Collection. You can georeference it easily, eg in
> Quantum GIS and use at least as a background.
>
> Best regards:
> Raf
>
> Dr. Rafal Wawer
> K.U.Leuven
> R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
> Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
> BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
> Belgium
> tel. [phone]
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Willmes"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:35 PM
> Subject: [Geodata] Historical Boundaries Dataset
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is this the right place to ask something like that?? If not please
> direct me to a more appropriate place. :)
>
> Does somebody know if there is a Historical Boundaries Dataset from
> around 1900 of the complete world? Especially colonial borders in Africa
> of that time are of interest, but the rest of the world also.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Christian
>

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Christian Willmes
AG GIS & Fernerkundung      | GIS & RS Group
Geographisches Institut     | Institute of Geography
Universität Köln            | University of Cologne
http://www.geographie.uni-koeln.de/gis/
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[Christian Willmes]

Hi,

Rafal Wawer schrieb:

> Hi Christian,
> The scanned maps form the  Rumsey Map Collection is published under
> the Creative Commons License:
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/
>
> as stated on the bottom of this page:
> http://www.davidrumsey.com/index4.html
>
> in seciton "copyright information". So you can digitize and publish
> the results inunder the same CCL license, the only other thing you
> have to do is attributing the source.
>
> Actually you can avoid following the license - if the mandatory
> attribution does not suit you - by scanning maps yourself. I do not
> think any copyrights apply for the atlas maps form XIXth or XVIII
> century - but it is always wise to check (-:
>

This sounds really good to me, I think I will use this davidrumsey maps
(as far as they fit our needs) because the copyright is somewhat "clear".
Anyway the paper maps we have of that time are not made in that time.
They are actually made in the 1960's and 1970's...

Thanks to all for the good hints! :-)

greets
Christian

> Best regards:
> Raf
>
> Dr. Rafal Wawer
> K.U.Leuven
> R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
> Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
> BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
> Belgium
> tel. [phone]
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Willmes"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Geodata] Historical Boundaries Dataset
>
>
> thanks Rafal,
>
> Yes I know that way, and we have nice maps in the mapcollection of our
> Instiute from that time and also a good A0 Format Scanner, but I try to
> avoid that kind of work... ;-)
>
> but If I do It that way, would it be legal to publish the digitized data
> under a free open licence to share it with the community, even if the
> (paper)map itself is copyrighted?
>
> best regards,
> Christian
>
> Rafal Wawer schrieb:
>> Hi,
>> In case you won't find such dataset, you can digitize the boundaries
>> yourself, basing upon a scan of old atlas map from the repository of
>> David Rumsey Map Collection. You can georeference it easily, eg in
>> Quantum GIS and use at least as a background.
>>
>> Best regards:
>> Raf
>>
>> Dr. Rafal Wawer
>> K.U.Leuven
>> R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
>> Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
>> BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
>> Belgium
>> tel. [phone]
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Willmes"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:35 PM
>> Subject: [Geodata] Historical Boundaries Dataset
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is this the right place to ask something like that?? If not please
>> direct me to a more appropriate place. :)
>>
>> Does somebody know if there is a Historical Boundaries Dataset from
>> around 1900 of the complete world? Especially colonial borders in Africa
>> of that time are of interest, but the rest of the world also.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Christian
>>
>
>

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[Keith Jenkins]

Christian,

If you do end up digitizing from paper maps, please know that
the world would be very appreciative of having free open access
to the results!  So take that an encouragement to share your
work...  (assuming rights, etc. aren't an obstacle)

I get people looking for this sort of historical data all the time,
and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much out there,
especially anytime before the last couple decades.  However,
there are a few exceptions.  I think this wikipedia article lists
most of the ones I know about:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GIS

Cheers,
Keith

Keith Jenkins
GIS/Geospatial Applications Librarian
Mann Library, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853
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[Christian Willmes]

Hello,

a colleague of mine, who mainly works on this found this
http://library.thinkquest.org/C006628/
page. There are datasets from 1815 until 1994 of changing borders of the
complete world.

As it looks like its based on the ESRI world datasets. Does anybody know
something further about this?

The disclaimer at least does not prohibit the use of the data:
<---
The GIS data presented in this site was hand-created by students and as
such is not guaranteed to be accurate. Many references used in creating
the data conflicted with each other, and we were forced to pick one
reference as being more accurate. In most cases, the data is only meant
to be used on a large scale, so that only the relative position of
countries should be trusted. It is estimated that political boundaries
have an average error of 40 miles. Since relative positions were used
heavily, the most accurate borders are those that run along a major
river or touch a coastline. We request that any data found to be
inaccurate be reported
<http://library.thinkquest.org/C006628/contact.html> to Team C006628.
Again, as this data is created by students, we hold no responsibility
for the use of the data outside of this site.
--->

best regards,
Christian

Keith Jenkins schrieb:

> Christian,
>
> If you do end up digitizing from paper maps, please know that
> the world would be very appreciative of having free open access
> to the results!  So take that an encouragement to share your
> work...  (assuming rights, etc. aren't an obstacle)
>
> I get people looking for this sort of historical data all the time,
> and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much out there,
> especially anytime before the last couple decades.  However,
> there are a few exceptions.  I think this wikipedia article lists
> most of the ones I know about:
>
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GIS
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
> Keith Jenkins
> GIS/Geospatial Applications Librarian
> Mann Library, Cornell University
> Ithaca, New York 14853
> [hidden email] :: 607-255-7192
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Universität Köln            | University of Cologne
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