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[Georg Bernhard]

Hello, Scientific Plone!

Some people have been taking pictures at our meeting in naples, at the
BOF. Please submit these pictures to the list!
Who will send in a transcript?

Thank you all for contributing!
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[Martin Opstad Reistadbakk]

Hi again all, and thanks for a great conference.

On 10/16/07, Georg Bernhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Some people have been taking pictures at our meeting in naples, at the
> BOF. Please submit these pictures to the list!
> Who will send in a transcript?
I have no pictures or transcripts, but look forward to seeing yours.

With best regards,


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[Georg Bernhard]

Hello, all; I want to contribute my notes, raw and unedited as they are.
Please forgive me for all the misspellings, especially the misspelling
of names, i am quite sure i got wrong - it is more a phonetic transcript...

8<----------

Oslo: Publication approvals from a group
Chris: Teams of researchers remember (what properties are on a user)
team oriented - draft documents - publishing is great, managing,
visualisation is hard! treating members as content objects is necessary

collaborate scientists - build an ontology

CMFBibliographyAT

Denmark collect data / analyze data

[Jonathan Callahan] build communities around existing projects vs. NASA
climate metadata ; best practices for adapting plone for situations
DOCUMENTS!

Danube university austria - project demonstration portal - project
communication

"pleatis" project ?

archeology mapping GIS classical artefacts - pictures media : digitize
ancient world maps of the ancient worlds

if content is text based it is easy, otherwise you need metadata!

metadata text based:

metadata standards! schemas XML schema transformers! very different
descriptions, oostethys http://www.oostethys.org/:

thesaurus hirachy - Visualizing! hyperbolic trees brain.com

standards and transformations - funding and value! producs! The Marine
Community: Storm search maps! Applied science

Big Files!

Research patterns ocean survaillance systems : regional programms,
differens systems, heterogen!

[Jörgen Modin] Sweden "Phime" toxicology biomonitoring 3d walkthroughs,
best practices, How to try out new technology? Showcasing stuff,
integrating.
Toolkit for blah, how can we integrate it?

Shiboleth! [Chris] Radius, Kerberos, ...

Tool for saving e-portfolios in plone , document learning achievements,
open source portfolio, free text? contains a cv, blog, reviewing
personal achievements.

BEST PRACTICES!!

base project, usecase

simple GUIs, less compliucated

Plone as a frontend?
Scientific magazines -> Journals; hard to stay up
copyrights

KEEP UP WITH THE JOURNALS

Make it available, data streams on, real time data.
The one thing plone needs for science?

Editors tools -

highlight - comment

Andreas Jung: Smart Print NG

Built in members as objects!
Processes and maintain teams, approvals, workflow members, atttach
properties

MacYet plone for universities Andreas Jung

mahara.org
---------->8

Browsing through the notes again, i want to mention a Project I did for
the plone conf 2005 in vienna:
GoSOM2, a self organizing (kohonen) map that can help categorizing
arbitrary contents:
http://gogo.bluedynamics.net/plone/code/ai/GoSOM2/

i can tell more aubut it if anyone is interested...

Regards,
Greetings and thank you all for making the conf exciting!
Georg Gogo BERNHARD
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Martin Opstad Reistadbakk wrote:

> Hi again all, and thanks for a great conference.
>
> On 10/16/07, Georg Bernhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> Some people have been taking pictures at our meeting in naples, at the
>> BOF. Please submit these pictures to the list!
>> Who will send in a transcript?
>>    
> I have no pictures or transcripts, but look forward to seeing yours.
>
> With best regards,
>
>
> Martin Opstad Reistadbakk
>
>
>  

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Georg Bernhard wrote:
> Hello, Scientific Plone!
>
> Some people have been taking pictures at our meeting in naples, at the
> BOF. Please submit these pictures to the list!

I took two photos! I'll try to dig them out of my camera tonight :)

I also went to the BoF on Plone for Universities during the Conference
and there is now a site up and running ( http://plone4universities.org )
that contains:
  * links to users
  * case studies
  * "get involved" section
  * links to software of interest for universities (hosted elsewhere)
  * communication section
  * about

Just add a "(proposed) best practices" section and that is pretty much
what we want right? Shouldn't there be something similar for the
scientific community within plone? I guess I can install a plone site to
my web hotel but I have only limited experience of apache etc and I'd
feel a bit more comfortable if someone had a more stable solution.

While searching for available domains I noticed that plone4science.dk is
not available - but there seems to be no site up and running there
(yet). Interesting...

I'd gladly donate some money for the domain (and perhaps also hosting)
and some time for drawing a logo (not that I am an expert or anything)
and adding contents to such a site.

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--On 17. Oktober 2007 08:55:08 +0200 Per Erik Strandberg
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Georg Bernhard wrote:
>> Hello, Scientific Plone!
>>
>> Some people have been taking pictures at our meeting in naples, at the
>> BOF. Please submit these pictures to the list!
>
> I took two photos! I'll try to dig them out of my camera tonight :)
>
> I also went to the BoF on Plone for Universities during the Conference
> and there is now a site up and running ( http://plone4universities.org )
> that contains:
>   * links to users
>   * case studies
>   * "get involved" section
>   * links to software of interest for universities (hosted elsewhere)
>   * communication section
>   * about
>
> Just add a "(proposed) best practices" section and that is pretty much
> what we want right? Shouldn't there be something similar for the
> scientific community within plone? I guess I can install a plone site to
> my web hotel but I have only limited experience of apache etc and I'd
> feel a bit more comfortable if someone had a more stable solution.

If you are interest: I can offer to host your site on my machine (same as
the P4U site). It's running Plone 3.0.1 right now.

>
> While searching for available domains I noticed that plone4science.dk is
> not available - but there seems to be no site up and running there (yet).
> Interesting...r

how about plone4scientists.org?

>
> I'd gladly donate some money for the domain (and perhaps also hosting)
> and some time for drawing a logo (not that I am an expert or anything)
> and adding contents to such a site.


I offer the hosting for free.

Andreas

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Georg Gogo. BERNHARD wrote:
> Hello, all; I want to contribute my notes, raw and unedited as they are.
> Please forgive me for all the misspellings, especially the misspelling
> of names, i am quite sure i got wrong - it is more a phonetic transcript...
>

Hi Gogo and others,

thanks for sharing your notes with us!
For me this is most interesting because I couldn't make it for
Naples this year.

I have a few comments/questions added inline below

> 8<----------
>
> Oslo: Publication approvals from a group
> Chris: Teams of researchers remember (what properties are on a user)
> team oriented - draft documents - publishing is great, managing,
> visualisation is hard! treating members as content objects is necessary
>
> collaborate scientists - build an ontology
>

Do you remember what that meant? FYI: we continue to work
on PloneOntolgy and while we didn't port it to Plone 3 yet
David is scaling it up. It can now import GeneOntology
in its fill beauty ;-) (more than 60.000 classes BTW).

> CMFBibliographyAT
>

I keep on promising that I'll update it as soon as I find the
time. There are a number of ad-on by now to make it even more
useful, some of which are published like ATBiblioList,
ATBiblioTopic and others while some are in the makings
like a PubMed client.

> Denmark collect data / analyze data
>
> [Jonathan Callahan] build communities around existing projects vs. NASA
> climate metadata ; best practices for adapting plone for situations
> DOCUMENTS!
>

Isn't that exactly the use case Martin is covering in his
b-org example/tutorial?

> Danube university austria - project demonstration portal - project
> communication
>
> "pleatis" project ?
>
> archeology mapping GIS classical artefacts - pictures media : digitize
> ancient world maps of the ancient worlds
>
> if content is text based it is easy, otherwise you need metadata!
>
> metadata text based:
>
> metadata standards! schemas XML schema transformers! very different
> descriptions, oostethys http://www.oostethys.org/:
>

I'd like to add here that I would love to see OIA-PMH support
Maybe via vice?

> thesaurus hirachy - Visualizing! hyperbolic trees brain.com
>

In a sense that's a special case of an ontology.
Also note that PloneOntology does provide a visualization
component (depending on the availability of graphviz)

> standards and transformations - funding and value! producs! The Marine
> Community: Storm search maps! Applied science
>
> Big Files!
>

In which sense? For BLOB support it's coming anyway.
The multimedia crowd is pushing and wanting this also.

But when it comes to 'big files' meaning import things
that generate tons of content items (like importing
GeneOntology via PloneOntology generates 60.000+ content
items; importing PubMed/Medline via CMFBibliographAT
would generate 6 million entries) then we do have indeed
problems still.

> Research patterns ocean survaillance systems : regional programms,
> differens systems, heterogen!
>
> [Jörgen Modin] Sweden "Phime" toxicology biomonitoring 3d walkthroughs,
> best practices, How to try out new technology? Showcasing stuff,
> integrating.
> Toolkit for blah, how can we integrate it?
>
> Shiboleth! [Chris] Radius, Kerberos, ...
>
> Tool for saving e-portfolios in plone , document learning achievements,
> open source portfolio, free text? contains a cv, blog, reviewing
> personal achievements.
>
> BEST PRACTICES!!
>
> base project, usecase
>
> simple GUIs, less compliucated
>
> Plone as a frontend?
> Scientific magazines -> Journals; hard to stay up
> copyrights
>
> KEEP UP WITH THE JOURNALS
>
> Make it available, data streams on, real time data.
> The one thing plone needs for science?

There is no such single since as science is too diverse
and therefore the use cases are too different.

If anything this is calling for flexibility, easy
extensability and for that in turn better documentation.
But we all know that anyway, don't we ;-)

>
> Editors tools -
>
> highlight - comment
>
> Andreas Jung: Smart Print NG
>
> Built in members as objects!
> Processes and maintain teams, approvals, workflow members, atttach
> properties
>
> MacYet plone for universities Andreas Jung
>
> mahara.org
> ---------->8
>
> Browsing through the notes again, i want to mention a Project I did for
> the plone conf 2005 in vienna:
> GoSOM2, a self organizing (kohonen) map that can help categorizing
> arbitrary contents:
> http://gogo.bluedynamics.net/plone/code/ai/GoSOM2/
>

Is the code for this available somewhere?

Raphael

PS: great to see some activity in this area.
Keep it coming ...

> i can tell more aubut it if anyone is interested...
>
> Regards,
> Greetings and thank you all for making the conf exciting!
> Georg Gogo BERNHARD
> ]a[ academy of fine arts vienna
>
>
>
> Martin Opstad Reistadbakk wrote:
>> Hi again all, and thanks for a great conference.
>>
>> On 10/16/07, Georg Bernhard
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>  
>>> Some people have been taking pictures at our meeting in naples, at the
>>> BOF. Please submit these pictures to the list!
>>> Who will send in a transcript?
>>>    
>> I have no pictures or transcripts, but look forward to seeing yours.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>>
>> Martin Opstad Reistadbakk
>>
>>
>>  
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Andreas Jung wrote:

>
> [snip]
>
> how about plone4scientists.org?
>
>>
>> I'd gladly donate some money for the domain (and perhaps also hosting)
>> and some time for drawing a logo (not that I am an expert or anything)
>> and adding contents to such a site.
>
>
> I offer the hosting for free.
>

I just purchased plone4scientists.org and will link it to Andreas (if
you help me with that) asap.

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--On 17. Oktober 2007 09:58:43 +0200 Per Erik Strandberg
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>
> Andreas Jung wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> how about plone4scientists.org?
>>
>>>
>>> I'd gladly donate some money for the domain (and perhaps also hosting)
>>> and some time for drawing a logo (not that I am an expert or anything)
>>> and adding contents to such a site.
>>
>>
>> I offer the hosting for free.
>>
>
> I just purchased plone4scientists.org and will link it to Andreas (if you
> help me with that) asap.

The DNS now points to the Plone site. Please register yourself and I'll
grant you the manager role.

Andreas

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[Jörgen Modin]

Thanks Andreas and Per Erik!

My notes for the BOF are below, they are a jumble of what people said and what I was thinking when they said it:

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bibliography

keeping track of publications
(maybe tools for hooking up and producing)

CMFBibliographyAT


Best practices (how do you do something the best way? Identifying tasks and find out the best way to do it by studying how ppl have done it). Sometimes using plone, sometimes integrating solutions by eg authentication. Showcasing stuff (screencasts)
How to try out new technology

Communicating with stakeholders
Facilitate cooperation between groups that are in different places in the world

shared source modules, subversion

extremely important tracking scientific applications

members as content objects

host solutions

two focuses- build communites around existing data visualization and analysis tools.

zucchero

metadata very important for non-textual data.
hierarchical

single sign-on, look at CAS

best practices, showcases

make a plone science showcase
    tasks
        writing - collaborating
        publishing
        presenting(what you're doing, what you've done)
            for peers
            for stakeholders
        finding data
        analysing data

On 10/17/07, Andreas Jung <[hidden email]> wrote:

--On 17. Oktober 2007 09:58:43 +0200 Per Erik Strandberg
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Andreas Jung wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> how about plone4scientists.org?
>>
>>>
>>> I'd gladly donate some money for the domain (and perhaps also hosting)
>>> and some time for drawing a logo (not that I am an expert or anything)
>>> and adding contents to such a site.
>>
>>
>> I offer the hosting for free.
>>
>
> I just purchased plone4scientists.org and will link it to Andreas (if you
> help me with that) asap.

The DNS now points to the Plone site. Please register yourself and I'll
grant you the manager role.

Andreas
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Georg Bernhard wrote:
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The two pics I took are available here:
http://www.pererikstrandberg.se/tmp/PS120074.JPG
http://www.pererikstrandberg.se/tmp/PS120075.JPG

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Andreas Jung wrote:
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 > [...]
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 >

I added a skeleton last weekend and added a logo this week so I invite
you to contribute to http://plone4scientists.org

I have some visions but I mainly see it as a link farm, there are
solutions out there and if we can share and reuse these solutions a lot
is gained.

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On 10/25/07, Per Erik Strandberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I added a skeleton last weekend and added a logo this week so I invite
> you to contribute to http://plone4scientists.org
>
> I have some visions but I mainly see it as a link farm, there are
> solutions out there and if we can share and reuse these solutions a lot
> is gained.
Looks great.

Can you grant my user martior manager rights I'll be happy to contribute.

With best regards,

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