GvSIG 1251

[Benjamin Ducke]

Dear developers

I am just writing to let you know how
impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
and I cannot think of many significant missing
features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
anything critical.

Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
so obvious.

I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
at our company, in research institutions and homes.

Thanks for your hard work,

Ben



===

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Geospatial Consultant

Oxford Archaeology Digital
Janus House
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OX2 0ES
Oxford, U.K.

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[Manuel Madrid]

Thanks a lot for your words, Ben.
This encourages us to keep on working and improving.

And thank you very much, above all, for your testing task. Without any
doubt, your participation on testing and reporting errors in the
bugtracking is helping us to get a robust 1.9. You're a very good
example of tester-contributor. I hope this encourages other users to do
the same.

Best regards,
Manuel.


Benjamin Ducke escribió:

> Dear developers
>
> I am just writing to let you know how
> impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
> It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
> and I cannot think of many significant missing
> features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
> are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
> anything critical.
>
> Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
> open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
> GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
> so obvious.
>
> I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
> at our company, in research institutions and homes.
>
> Thanks for your hard work,
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Benjamin Ducke
> Geospatial Consultant
>
> Oxford Archaeology Digital
> Janus House
> Osney Mead
> OX2 0ES
> Oxford, U.K.
>
> Tel: [phone] (switchboard)
> Tel: [phone] (direct)
> Fax :[phone]
> [hidden email]
> http://oadigital.net
>
>
>
>
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>

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Asistencia Técnica Externa.
Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport.
Generalitat Valenciana.
Valencia (Spain).

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[Wolfgang Qual-4]

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Dear Manuel,
you are right. But I fear that the bugtracker is not that known. Is it possible for everyone to access that tracker? I fear that this is not the case.
I guess that many users are only interested in watching "what is currently done" or "what bug was just resolved". Some users really would like to contribute to the bugtracker.
And some may follow. But then, the tracker should be more visible. For example, qgis places "BUGS" very clearly on its homepage. I like this.
I know that you all are very busy at the moment with all that stabilization and developing of 2.0/1.9 and you are not able to do everything. But it would be great,
if this could be improved. For example, on the project website [1], there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice, but this information is mostly in Spanish and it is not
clear to which version those bugs belong to.
For the moment, I would be very happy, if you could tell us, how users can become bug-trackers. Sounds like ghost busters. Bug busters!

[1] http://www.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/devel/gvsig

All the best.
Wolfgang



Manuel Madrid schrieb:

Thanks a lot for your words, Ben.
This encourages us to keep on working and improving.

And thank you very much, above all, for your testing task. Without any 
doubt, your participation on testing and reporting errors in the 
bugtracking is helping us to get a robust 1.9. You're a very good 
example of tester-contributor. I hope this encourages other users to do 
the same.

Best regards,
Manuel.


Benjamin Ducke escribió:
  

Dear developers

I am just writing to let you know how 
impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
and I cannot think of many significant missing
features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
anything critical.

Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
so obvious.

I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
at our company, in research institutions and homes.

Thanks for your hard work,

Ben



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Geospatial Consultant

Oxford Archaeology Digital
Janus House
Osney Mead
OX2 0ES
Oxford, U.K.

Tel: [phone] (switchboard)
Tel: [phone] (direct)
Fax :[phone]
[hidden email]
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[José Antonio Canalejo Alonso]

Hello Manuel,
could you send please to the list the right link to the bugtracking? This one [1] is not available.
I Think there are other users who would like to test gvSIG too.
[1] https://gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/issues

 --
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CSGIS
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Web: http://www.csgis.de



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> De: Manuel Madrid <[hidden email]>
> Para: Users and Developers mailing list <[hidden email]>
> Enviado: mié,4 noviembre, 2009 10:03
> Asunto: Re: [Gvsig_english] GvSIG 1251
>
> Thanks a lot for your words, Ben.
> This encourages us to keep on working and improving.
>
> And thank you very much, above all, for your testing task. Without any
> doubt, your participation on testing and reporting errors in the
> bugtracking is helping us to get a robust 1.9. You're a very good
> example of tester-contributor. I hope this encourages other users to do
> the same.
>
> Best regards,
> Manuel.
>
>
> Benjamin Ducke escribió:
> > Dear developers
> >
> > I am just writing to let you know how
> > impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
> > It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
> > and I cannot think of many significant missing
> > features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
> > are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
> > anything critical.
> >
> > Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
> > open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
> > GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
> > so obvious.
> >
> > I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
> > at our company, in research institutions and homes.
> >
> > Thanks for your hard work,
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Benjamin Ducke
> > Geospatial Consultant
> >
> > Oxford Archaeology Digital
> > Janus House
> > Osney Mead
> > OX2 0ES
> > Oxford, U.K.
> >
> > Tel: [phone] (switchboard)
> > Tel: [phone] (direct)
> > Fax :[phone]
> > [hidden email]
> > http://oadigital.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> for more information.
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> >
>
> --
> Manuel Madrid.
> Proyecto gvSIG (http://www.gvsig.gva.es)
> Asistencia Técnica Externa.
> Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport.
> Generalitat Valenciana.
> Valencia (Spain).
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[Manuel Madrid]

Dear Wolfgang.

Let me explain the situation.

Well, we could distinguish between two kind of contributors: general and
advanced. We think bugtracker is appropriate only for advanced ones,
since is not too easy to fill in a ticket. You must know and follow some
instructions in order to get a valid report. Obviously most of the users
wouldn't report an error if this is the only way and that's why the
"official" way to report errors is the email list (the easiest way).
Nevertheless, if somebody is interested in reporting errors directly in
the bugtracker, we'll be very glad to create an account and give him/her
the instructions to fill in tickets. He/she only has to ask us for it.
Anyway, you're right. This is not visible in the web now.

Our aim is that everyone can access bugtracker data (queries like fixed
bugs, current bugs, etc.) but only advanced contributors can fill in
tickets.

We're now preparing a report form that (we think) will be the optimum
way for reporting errors. It will be available in the web. It will be
very simple to fill in and it will be connected to the bugtracker so the
report will go into the database directly. Apart from that, we'll
improve the queries so users can look for errors easily. We'll introduce
this changes little by little.

Regarding the language, this is a big problem. At the moment the most of
the testers speaks spanish. That's because the most of the error tickets
are in spanish. We try to introduce english more and more in the
project, translating more and more things to english but our first
language is still spanish. So far the filosophy is to accept tickets in
both english and spanish and when we find a ticket in english we answer
in english too. We try to translate all the web to english but, as you
said, we still have spanish texts. Sorry. I know everything will be much
more easy for english speakers contributors if we only use english.

Best regards,
Manuel.


Wolfgang Qual escribió:

> Dear Manuel,
> you are right. But I fear that the bugtracker is not that known. Is it
> possible for everyone to access that tracker? I fear that this is not
> the case.
> I guess that many users are only interested in watching "what is
> currently done" or "what bug was just resolved". Some users really would
> like to contribute to the bugtracker.
> And some may follow. But then, the tracker should be more visible. For
> example, qgis places "BUGS" very clearly on its homepage. I like this.
> I know that you all are very busy at the moment with all that
> stabilization and developing of 2.0/1.9 and you are not able to do
> everything. But it would be great,
> if this could be improved. For example, on the project website [1],
> there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice,
> but this information is mostly in Spanish and it is not
> clear to which version those bugs belong to.
> For the moment, I would be very happy, if you could tell us, how users
> can become bug-trackers. Sounds like ghost busters. Bug busters!
>
> [1] http://www.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/devel/gvsig
>
> All the best.
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
> Manuel Madrid schrieb:
>> Thanks a lot for your words, Ben.
>> This encourages us to keep on working and improving.
>>
>> And thank you very much, above all, for your testing task. Without any
>> doubt, your participation on testing and reporting errors in the
>> bugtracking is helping us to get a robust 1.9. You're a very good
>> example of tester-contributor. I hope this encourages other users to do
>> the same.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Manuel.
>>
>>
>> Benjamin Ducke escribió:
>>  
>>> Dear developers
>>>
>>> I am just writing to let you know how
>>> impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
>>> It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
>>> and I cannot think of many significant missing
>>> features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
>>> are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
>>> anything critical.
>>>
>>> Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
>>> open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
>>> GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
>>> so obvious.
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
>>> at our company, in research institutions and homes.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your hard work,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Benjamin Ducke
>>> Geospatial Consultant
>>>
>>> Oxford Archaeology Digital
>>> Janus House
>>> Osney Mead
>>> OX2 0ES
>>> Oxford, U.K.
>>>
>>> Tel: [phone] (switchboard)
>>> Tel: [phone] (direct)
>>> Fax :[phone]
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://oadigital.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>
>>  
>
>
> --
>
> *Wolfgang Qual
>
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>

--
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Proyecto gvSIG (http://www.gvsig.gva.es)
Asistencia Técnica Externa.
Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport.
Generalitat Valenciana.
Valencia (Spain).

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[Wolfgang Qual]

Dear Manuel, dear list.
first of all: many thanks to you for this detailled reply. I think that
this a very interesting topic and a very important, too.
What I would like to point out was the visibility and transparency of
the bug tracker, but while writing this, many other things come to my
mind which could be more visible. Easier to see..
Sometimes, it could be enough to create that "bug" button and provide
some information on questions like:
* how to use the bug tracker
* how to become a bug tracker
Only some documentation. If you look at qgis.org, you will see that
exactly this is done.

I like this very much. Using the international mailing list is ok. But
you never know whether the issue that you wrote to the list, is already
reported as a bug. For me as a gvsig-user, it would be also very
interesting to know: what should I test again? What is definitively
working (and thus has not to be tested again...). It would save time!

Well, the bug tracking is just an example, this directly brings me to a
more general topic... In these days of reconstruction and development,
most of the ressources might be captured with other things. But it's
worth to discuss about this. Currently, there is gvsig.gva.es and
www.gvsig.org. This is a little bit confusing, but you seem to have your
reasons for this construction. However, www.gvsig.org is a little bit
too sober and sometimes I have to search for things a little bit too
long. A nice layout which would provide the most important links and
some additional information (like "story of the month" would be great.
Mwah. This is what comes to my mind at the moment.. www.gvsig.org is
great, no question. But there are still things that can be
improved... :)

Best,
Wolfgang




Am Mittwoch, den 04.11.2009, 14:14 +0100 schrieb Manuel Madrid:

> Dear Wolfgang.
>
> Let me explain the situation.
>
> Well, we could distinguish between two kind of contributors: general and
> advanced. We think bugtracker is appropriate only for advanced ones,
> since is not too easy to fill in a ticket. You must know and follow some
> instructions in order to get a valid report. Obviously most of the users
> wouldn't report an error if this is the only way and that's why the
> "official" way to report errors is the email list (the easiest way).
> Nevertheless, if somebody is interested in reporting errors directly in
> the bugtracker, we'll be very glad to create an account and give him/her
> the instructions to fill in tickets. He/she only has to ask us for it.
> Anyway, you're right. This is not visible in the web now.
>
> Our aim is that everyone can access bugtracker data (queries like fixed
> bugs, current bugs, etc.) but only advanced contributors can fill in
> tickets.
>
> We're now preparing a report form that (we think) will be the optimum
> way for reporting errors. It will be available in the web. It will be
> very simple to fill in and it will be connected to the bugtracker so the
> report will go into the database directly. Apart from that, we'll
> improve the queries so users can look for errors easily. We'll introduce
> this changes little by little.
>
> Regarding the language, this is a big problem. At the moment the most of
> the testers speaks spanish. That's because the most of the error tickets
> are in spanish. We try to introduce english more and more in the
> project, translating more and more things to english but our first
> language is still spanish. So far the filosophy is to accept tickets in
> both english and spanish and when we find a ticket in english we answer
> in english too. We try to translate all the web to english but, as you
> said, we still have spanish texts. Sorry. I know everything will be much
> more easy for english speakers contributors if we only use english.
>
> Best regards,
> Manuel.
>
>
> Wolfgang Qual escribió:
> > Dear Manuel,
> > you are right. But I fear that the bugtracker is not that known. Is it
> > possible for everyone to access that tracker? I fear that this is not
> > the case.
> > I guess that many users are only interested in watching "what is
> > currently done" or "what bug was just resolved". Some users really would
> > like to contribute to the bugtracker.
> > And some may follow. But then, the tracker should be more visible. For
> > example, qgis places "BUGS" very clearly on its homepage. I like this.
> > I know that you all are very busy at the moment with all that
> > stabilization and developing of 2.0/1.9 and you are not able to do
> > everything. But it would be great,
> > if this could be improved. For example, on the project website [1],
> > there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice,
> > but this information is mostly in Spanish and it is not
> > clear to which version those bugs belong to.
> > For the moment, I would be very happy, if you could tell us, how users
> > can become bug-trackers. Sounds like ghost busters. Bug busters!
> >
> > [1] http://www.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/devel/gvsig
> >
> > All the best.
> > Wolfgang
> >
> >
> >
> > Manuel Madrid schrieb:
> >> Thanks a lot for your words, Ben.
> >> This encourages us to keep on working and improving.
> >>
> >> And thank you very much, above all, for your testing task. Without any
> >> doubt, your participation on testing and reporting errors in the
> >> bugtracking is helping us to get a robust 1.9. You're a very good
> >> example of tester-contributor. I hope this encourages other users to do
> >> the same.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Manuel.
> >>
> >>
> >> Benjamin Ducke escribió:
> >>  
> >>> Dear developers
> >>>
> >>> I am just writing to let you know how
> >>> impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
> >>> It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
> >>> and I cannot think of many significant missing
> >>> features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
> >>> are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
> >>> anything critical.
> >>>
> >>> Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
> >>> open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
> >>> GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
> >>> so obvious.
> >>>
> >>> I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
> >>> at our company, in research institutions and homes.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your hard work,
> >>>
> >>> Ben
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ===
> >>>
> >>> Benjamin Ducke
> >>> Geospatial Consultant
> >>>
> >>> Oxford Archaeology Digital
> >>> Janus House
> >>> Osney Mead
> >>> OX2 0ES
> >>> Oxford, U.K.
> >>>
> >>> Tel: [phone] (switchboard)
> >>> Tel: [phone] (direct)
> >>> Fax :[phone]
> >>> [hidden email]
> >>> http://oadigital.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------
> >>> Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS Open Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please visit http://iso26300.info for more information.
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    
> >>
> >>  
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > *Wolfgang Qual
> >
> > * *Referat für Gesundheit und Umwelt*
> > Umweltschutz
> > Umweltvorsorge
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> >
> > Bayerstraße 28a
> > 80335 München
> >
> > Telefon +49 - 89 - 233 - 4 77 17
> > Telefax +49 - 89 - 233 - 4 77 05
> >
> > http://www.muenchen.de/umweltatlas
> > [hidden email]
> > Bitte beachten Sie die Hinweise zur elektronischen
> > Kommunikation mit der Landeshauptstadt München:
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> >
>

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[César Martínez Izquierdo-3]

Hello list,

I agree with Wolfrang that an open bug-tracker adds transparency to
the project, and brings it closer to user.
Almost every open source project has an open bug-tracker, hence open
source users are used to them.

Maybe there are two kind of contributors (advanced and regular ones),
but the fact that there is an open bug-tracker does not force regular
users to use it... I think having it open gives user the possibility
to decide if they want to be advanced or regular ones.

Moreover, I think an open bug-tracker has some extra benefits. I'm
user of many open source projects, and I often check their
bug-trackers when I have a problem... in this way I can know if this
is a known problem, if there is a solution on the way or it's a
long-standing bug, normally users add some possible workarounds to
circumvent the bug in the while... all this information is very
helpful for users.

Of course, I understand that this may add some overload to gvSIG
testing team, as this implies some triage, classification, bug
rephrasing, field normalization, etc.

But despite these possible cons-, I think there are many pro-s that
make this movement really worthy.

Well, just my opinion.

Best Regards,

César

PD: Congratulations for the great work on gvSIG 1.9 stabilization.







2009/11/4 Wolfgang Qual <[hidden email]>:

> Dear Manuel, dear list.
> first of all: many thanks to you for this detailled reply. I think that
> this a very interesting topic and a very important, too.
> What I would like to point out was the visibility and transparency of
> the bug tracker, but while writing this, many other things come to my
> mind which could be more visible. Easier to see..
> Sometimes, it could be enough to create that "bug" button and provide
> some information on questions like:
> * how to use the bug tracker
> * how to become a bug tracker
> Only some documentation. If you look at qgis.org, you will see that
> exactly this is done.
>
> I like this very much. Using the international mailing list is ok. But
> you never know whether the issue that you wrote to the list, is already
> reported as a bug. For me as a gvsig-user, it would be also very
> interesting to know: what should I test again? What is definitively
> working (and thus has not to be tested again...). It would save time!
>
> Well, the bug tracking is just an example, this directly brings me to a
> more general topic... In these days of reconstruction and development,
> most of the ressources might be captured with other things. But it's
> worth to discuss about this. Currently, there is gvsig.gva.es and
> www.gvsig.org. This is a little bit confusing, but you seem to have your
> reasons for this construction. However, www.gvsig.org is a little bit
> too sober and sometimes I have to search for things a little bit too
> long. A nice layout which would provide the most important links and
> some additional information (like "story of the month" would be great.
> Mwah. This is what comes to my mind at the moment.. www.gvsig.org is
> great, no question. But there are still things that can be
> improved... :)
>
> Best,
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 04.11.2009, 14:14 +0100 schrieb Manuel Madrid:
>> Dear Wolfgang.
>>
>> Let me explain the situation.
>>
>> Well, we could distinguish between two kind of contributors: general and
>> advanced. We think bugtracker is appropriate only for advanced ones,
>> since is not too easy to fill in a ticket. You must know and follow some
>> instructions in order to get a valid report. Obviously most of the users
>> wouldn't report an error if this is the only way and that's why the
>> "official" way to report errors is the email list (the easiest way).
>> Nevertheless, if somebody is interested in reporting errors directly in
>> the bugtracker, we'll be very glad to create an account and give him/her
>> the instructions to fill in tickets. He/she only has to ask us for it.
>> Anyway, you're right. This is not visible in the web now.
>>
>> Our aim is that everyone can access bugtracker data (queries like fixed
>> bugs, current bugs, etc.) but only advanced contributors can fill in
>> tickets.
>>
>> We're now preparing a report form that (we think) will be the optimum
>> way for reporting errors. It will be available in the web. It will be
>> very simple to fill in and it will be connected to the bugtracker so the
>> report will go into the database directly. Apart from that, we'll
>> improve the queries so users can look for errors easily. We'll introduce
>> this changes little by little.
>>
>> Regarding the language, this is a big problem. At the moment the most of
>> the testers speaks spanish. That's because the most of the error tickets
>> are in spanish. We try to introduce english more and more in the
>> project, translating more and more things to english but our first
>> language is still spanish. So far the filosophy is to accept tickets in
>> both english and spanish and when we find a ticket in english we answer
>> in english too. We try to translate all the web to english but, as you
>> said, we still have spanish texts. Sorry. I know everything will be much
>> more easy for english speakers contributors if we only use english.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Manuel.
>>
>>
>> Wolfgang Qual escribió:
>> > Dear Manuel,
>> > you are right. But I fear that the bugtracker is not that known. Is it
>> > possible for everyone to access that tracker? I fear that this is not
>> > the case.
>> > I guess that many users are only interested in watching "what is
>> > currently done" or "what bug was just resolved". Some users really would
>> > like to contribute to the bugtracker.
>> > And some may follow. But then, the tracker should be more visible. For
>> > example, qgis places "BUGS" very clearly on its homepage. I like this.
>> > I know that you all are very busy at the moment with all that
>> > stabilization and developing of 2.0/1.9 and you are not able to do
>> > everything. But it would be great,
>> > if this could be improved. For example, on the project website [1],
>> > there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice,
>> > but this information is mostly in Spanish and it is not
>> > clear to which version those bugs belong to.
>> > For the moment, I would be very happy, if you could tell us, how users
>> > can become bug-trackers. Sounds like ghost busters. Bug busters!
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/devel/gvsig
>> >
>> > All the best.
>> > Wolfgang
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Manuel Madrid schrieb:
>> >> Thanks a lot for your words, Ben.
>> >> This encourages us to keep on working and improving.
>> >>
>> >> And thank you very much, above all, for your testing task. Without any
>> >> doubt, your participation on testing and reporting errors in the
>> >> bugtracking is helping us to get a robust 1.9. You're a very good
>> >> example of tester-contributor. I hope this encourages other users to do
>> >> the same.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Manuel.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Benjamin Ducke escribió:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear developers
>> >>>
>> >>> I am just writing to let you know how
>> >>> impressed I am with the latest build of gvSIG.
>> >>> It feels significantly more smooth and robust than 1.1.2
>> >>> and I cannot think of many significant missing
>> >>> features. There still are bugs, of course, but they
>> >>> are more and more cosmetics; it is getting hard to find
>> >>> anything critical.
>> >>>
>> >>> Two or three years ago, when being asked for a functional
>> >>> open source alternative to expensive closed source desktop
>> >>> GIS, I would be unsure what to answer. Now it seems
>> >>> so obvious.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am looking forward to deploying gvSIG 1.9 on many desktops
>> >>> at our company, in research institutions and homes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for your hard work,
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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2009/11/4 Wolfgang Qual <[hidden email]>
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>  For example, on the project website [1], there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice, but this information is >
>mostly in Spanish and it is not clear to which version those bugs belong to.

Hello Wolfrang,

maybe you already know this, but you can check exactly which bugs were
closed for an specific build by querying the bugtracker:

- Click on Consultas
- Remove 'owner' filter (click on the minus [-] sign on the right side)
- Add filter: resolve build number

I hope it's useful.

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Hello César,
no! I did not know that. But I also do not really know where to look for this option: www.gvsig.org?
Small hint would be great ;)

Best,
Wolfgang

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2009/11/4 Wolfgang Qual [hidden email]
  

 For example, on the project website [1], there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice, but this information is >
mostly in Spanish and it is not clear to which version those bugs belong to.
    

Hello Wolfrang,

maybe you already know this, but you can check exactly which bugs were
closed for an specific build by querying the bugtracker:

- Click on Consultas
- Remove 'owner' filter (click on the minus [-] sign on the right side)
- Add filter: resolve build number

I hope it's useful.

Regards,

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Hello all,

Note that these steps were only valid for people who has actual access
to bugtracking. As it has currently no open-access, it is not valid
for the rest of the users.
Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,

César

2009/11/5 Wolfgang Qual <[hidden email]>

>
> Hello César,
> no! I did not know that. But I also do not really know where to look for this option: www.gvsig.org?
> Small hint would be great ;)
>
> Best,
> Wolfgang
>
> César Martínez Izquierdo schrieb:
>
> 2009/11/4 Wolfgang Qual <[hidden email]>
>
>
>  For example, on the project website [1], there is a headline "bugs corregidos en esta version" - this is nice, but this information is >
> mostly in Spanish and it is not clear to which version those bugs belong to.
>
>
> Hello Wolfrang,
>
> maybe you already know this, but you can check exactly which bugs were
> closed for an specific build by querying the bugtracker:
>
> - Click on Consultas
> - Remove 'owner' filter (click on the minus [-] sign on the right side)
> - Add filter: resolve build number
>
> I hope it's useful.
>
> Regards,
>
> César
>
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