Government response to petition 'nonMSschools'

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Paul Sutton

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Government response below

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20711

Paul



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Isabell Long

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2009/9/25 Paul Sutton <[hidden email]>:
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> Government response below
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> http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20711

How rubbish was that response?!

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Isabell Long wrote:

> 2009/9/25 Paul Sutton <[hidden email]>:
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>> Government response below
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>> http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20711
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> How rubbish was that response?!
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Yes, i know,  its worse if you read the becta advice

http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=35287&CFID=3039363&CFTOKEN=a137e9f25b9bd7a6-039B1B27-E009-1FF0-287783710978C9D8

It seems schools have to buy licenses for PC's not even running windows,
if that is the case, to me this meansn MS are almost forcing schools to
use their software,  as if you have to pay a fee, then you may as well
use the software.

This is something becta has concerns about. I will contact the press
officer and offer my support regarding these concerns,  as for how to
counter this,  I am not sure,  i guess its a case for trading standards,
or the european competition commission, any ideas?

Paul


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Isabell Long

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2009/9/25 Paul Sutton <[hidden email]>:

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> Isabell Long wrote:
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>>> Government response below
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>>> http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20711
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>> How rubbish was that response?!
>>
> Yes, i know,  its worse if you read the becta advice
>
> http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=35287&CFID=3039363&CFTOKEN=a137e9f25b9bd7a6-039B1B27-E009-1FF0-287783710978C9D8
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> It seems schools have to buy licenses for PC's not even running windows,
> if that is the case, to me this meansn MS are almost forcing schools to
> use their software,  as if you have to pay a fee, then you may as well
> use the software.

Owww,  reading that and Becta's advice hurts!

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Isabell Long wrote:

> 2009/9/25 Paul Sutton <[hidden email]>:
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>> Isabell Long wrote:
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>>>> Government response below
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>>>> http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20711
>>> How rubbish was that response?!
>>>
>> Yes, i know,  its worse if you read the becta advice
>>
>> http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=35287&CFID=3039363&CFTOKEN=a137e9f25b9bd7a6-039B1B27-E009-1FF0-287783710978C9D8
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>> It seems schools have to buy licenses for PC's not even running windows,
>> if that is the case, to me this meansn MS are almost forcing schools to
>> use their software,  as if you have to pay a fee, then you may as well
>> use the software.
>
> Owww,  reading that and Becta's advice hurts!
>
Well they refered the matter to the OFT,  i have asked for an updated on
the matter and also offered my support to their concerns.



Paul

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Paul Sutton

becta advice update

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Paul Sutton wrote:

> Isabell Long wrote:
>> 2009/9/25 Paul Sutton <[hidden email]>:
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>>> Isabell Long wrote:
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>>>>> Government response below
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20711
>>>> How rubbish was that response?!
>>>>
>>> Yes, i know,  its worse if you read the becta advice
>>>
>>> http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=35287&CFID=3039363&CFTOKEN=a137e9f25b9bd7a6-039B1B27-E009-1FF0-287783710978C9D8
>>>
>>> It seems schools have to buy licenses for PC's not even running windows,
>>> if that is the case, to me this meansn MS are almost forcing schools to
>>> use their software,  as if you have to pay a fee, then you may as well
>>> use the software.
>> Owww,  reading that and Becta's advice hurts!
>
> Well they refered the matter to the OFT,  i have asked for an updated on
> the matter and also offered my support to their concerns.
>
>
>
> Paul
>


a search on the becta site reveals

http://industry.becta.org.uk/display.cfm?resID=40552

so progress has been made,  if a computer is not capable of running
windows then it can be used to run Linux or other OS :)

Paul
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Tim Dobson-2

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> 2009/9/25 Paul Sutton <[hidden email]>:
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>> Government response below
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>> http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20711
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> How rubbish was that response?!

As Paul pointed out, opensourceschools.org.uk does exist thanks to Becta.

The procurement process of that project raises a considerable number of
questions but that was a considerable time ago and so we'll just leave
it be.

opensourceschools.org.uk is currently primarily run by Miles Berry with
some assistance from Ian Lynch as far as I can understand.

Back in June or July, you may remember I went to the Becta sponsored
Open Source Schools unconference where I gave a talk about DFEY. There's
a terrible video of me (I was mostly obscured by a cuddly penguin!) but
to infer Becta does "nothing" about F/LOSS is wrong.

This isn't to say we should take the pressure off - just it's worth
knowing what you are talking about.

One thing worth taking into consideration is that Becta is, in actual
fact, fairly uninfluential. It's a high profile granted, but no school
will deploy purely their suggestion - they will deploy what their
sysadmin/consultant suggests.
Becta are solely a bureaucratic quango.

At the Open Source Schools Unconference I met gentlemen from Edugeek.net
- Edugeek is basically a big forum based around School Sysadmins and
Edu-ICT engineers (no focus on technologies used).

These are the people who will be suggesting to their governors and head
teachers what they will be rolling out in the next upgrade.

These are the real technical people who need to be convinced that they
can interact with young people and with technology in different ways.

These are the people who need to be made aware of business who can help
them deploy Firefox & OO.o with MS Group Policy, who can help them roll
out LTSP, who can help train them to administer LTSP.

Interesting, I think Edugeek, or the guy I met at least, seemed
reasonably willing to engage with us. In fact, you may be aware of the
big Educationalist conference in London in January (I've forgotten it's
name at this moment), where all the big technology companies will have a
presence. I think Edugeek might be willing for us to help them out on
their stand - that was the impression I got.
I think this is a great opportunity that we should really follow up.

Another organisation worth interacting with is NAACE (naace.org. NAACE
is a trade body of IT educationlists (teachers) or something.
Again, at the OpenSourceUnconference I met the chairman of NAACE - again
these are the people we need to be explaining how they can help their
technologically adept students get the most out of their schooling and
not have their learning adversely affected by superficial barriers.

OpenSourceSchools project is running a day event at Bletchly Park
sometime in October. It's a weekday so it probably isn't too convenient
for most people here. I'm going to try and go to it. I've never been to
Bletchly so it should be interesting.

We should be referring all the time to:
* Schoolsforge UK - a group of businesses who have experience deploying
and promoting free software, specifically in schools and educational
establishments.

* The Open Source Consortiuum - I hate the name, but this is a group of
FOSS orientated businesses including all the major players in
educational free software as well as the small ones.

* OSSWatch - a UK HE advisory body, there to advise Universities and 6th
form colleges how best to interact with F/LOSS. Unfortunately doesn't
have "Lower Education" in it's remit, but is generally sympathetic
towards us

Since this is not region specific, I've crossposted to dfey-general-discuss
If you haven't joined it yet, I sincerely recommend joining.
http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/dfey-general-discuss

Hope this provokes some thought and discussion,

Thanks,

Tim