Google Checkout for NGOs announced

[Alexander Limi]

Thought you might be interested in today's announcement:

http://googlecheckout.blogspot.com/2007/09/introducing-google-checkout-for-non.html

Highlights:

- Through *at least* the end of 2008, non-profits will pay *no*  
transaction fees for each donation they accept through Checkout.

- For donors, it enables you to complete a donation with just your Google  
login, and it helps you track your giving in a convenient and central  
place (useful for tax purposes)

-  It helps to drive more donations to non-profits by making it easier for  
donors to give, and it makes collecting funds as easy as pushing a button.

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[George L]

Hi,

Alexander Limi wrote:

Thought you might be interested in today's announcement:

http://googlecheckout.blogspot.com/2007/09/introducing-google-checkout-for-non.html

Highlights:

- Through *at least* the end of 2008, non-profits will pay *no*  
transaction fees for each donation they accept through Checkout.
http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo

As someone who stays wary of the becoming-all-more-powerful Google ...

* Any word on how long the "no transaction fees" will last?

* Can a user donate by entering credit card info without signing up for a Google account?

Peace,
George

[Sisi Nutt]

Thanks Alex!

I'd never even heard of checkout until today (we use paypal for all
transactions on the web, but that has it's disadvantages). I think this
is just US based at the moment, right?

YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too though,
there must be something in the air at google :-)

http://uk.youtube.com/nonprofits
I think that's international.

Cheers,
sisi

Alexander Limi wrote:

> Thought you might be interested in today's announcement:
>
> http://googlecheckout.blogspot.com/2007/09/introducing-google-checkout-for-non.html 
>
>
> Highlights:
>
> - Through *at least* the end of 2008, non-profits will pay *no*
> transaction fees for each donation they accept through Checkout.
>
> - For donors, it enables you to complete a donation with just your
> Google login, and it helps you track your giving in a convenient and
> central place (useful for tax purposes)
>
> -  It helps to drive more donations to non-profits by making it easier
> for donors to give, and it makes collecting funds as easy as pushing a
> button.
>

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[Alexander Limi]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:28:21 -0700, sisi  
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> I'd never even heard of checkout until today (we use paypal for all  
> transactions on the web, but that has it's disadvantages). I think this  
> is just US based at the moment, right?

I assume so (at least for now), since the 501(c)(3) designation is what is  
used to see who is eligible. Send them a mail and ask. :)

> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too though,  
> there must be something in the air at google :-)

Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)

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[Zahid Malik]

We use google checkout in the UK (it is free for the rest of 2007 for
anyone in the UK) and I am pretty impressed. Even when the charges
kick-in I think it is pretty good value.

http://checkout.google.co.uk/


Regards

Zahid

On 9/27/07, Alexander Limi <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:28:21 -0700, sisi
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I'd never even heard of checkout until today (we use paypal for all
> > transactions on the web, but that has it's disadvantages). I think this
> > is just US based at the moment, right?
>
> I assume so (at least for now), since the 501(c)(3) designation is what is
> used to see who is eligible. Send them a mail and ask. :)
>
> > YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too though,
> > there must be something in the air at google :-)
>
> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)
>
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[Alexander Limi]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:28:15 -0700, George Lee  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> As someone who stays wary of the becoming-all-more-powerful Google ...

I do find it interesting how attitudes have changed lately. Working with  
the people here on a daily basis, I know that there's no other company I  
would trust with my data. They really take privacy seriously, and the  
amount of features and products that have been postponed (or outright  
cancelled) because they would have privacy concerns and/or privacy  
perception issues are numerous. It really is a good company.

But that's a tangential discussion. ;)

> * Any word on how long the "no transaction fees" will last?

If popular, probably quite a while. But I have no idea about this, I don't  
work with these people. :)

> * Can a user donate by entering credit card info without signing up for a
> Google account?

Try it? :)

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[Alexander Limi]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0700, Alexander Limi  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too though,  
>> there must be something in the air at google :-)
>
> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)

Nice, I just saw that they are giving away video cameras to the first 300  
NGOs that sign up — I wasn't aware of that:

http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits

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[and-18]

It doesn't however seem that youtube have relaxed their highly  
dubious terms and conditions which basically allow them to do near  
anything with  your work.

http://www.youtube.com/t/terms
"by submitting User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube  
a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and  
transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare  
derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in  
connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its  
successors' and affiliates') business, including without limitation  
for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website  
(and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any  
media channels."

I think this is incredibly problematic for any media producer,  
particularly non-profits who are often putting up sensitive materials  
(human rights violations say or indigenous issues). The fact that CC  
licenses are also not available is also cause for concern for those  
interested in marrying their principals with how they license their  
work. I don't think giving away 300 digital cameras (a drop in the  
ocean for YT) really cuts it myself particularly given YT will  
basically get a stack of free content they can then advertise next  
too, they'll make up the cost of those cameras pretty quickly. Add to  
this the fact that YT make it hard to download and remix work and  
only offer low-resolution flash video and you still have a pretty  
standard 'broadcast' media model.

In my opinion YT basically offer an audience, highly valuable, but  
for me it's not enough. I think Plone people should be much more  
interested in creating alternatives to YT that allow people to  
control their content and gather money from advertising or donations  
which YT doesn't currently allow (though apparently they are moving  
to.) Basically that's some of the core reasons for EngageMedia/Plumi  
<http:/plumi.org> which we've been working on for a while now.

If you want to read more rants along this line you can check
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/

Cheers.
Andrew

On 29/09/2007, at 4:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0700, Alexander Limi <[hidden email]>  
> wrote:
>
>>> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too  
>>> though, there must be something in the air at google :-)
>>
>> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)
>
> Nice, I just saw that they are giving away video cameras to the  
> first 300 NGOs that sign up — I wasn't aware of that:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits
>
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[Alexander Limi]

Have you tried raising these issues with them, especially now that they  
are trying to court NGOs? I'm sure they are willing to listen.

If you don't get any sensible answers, I'm happy to help with locating the  
right people (and take it to Larry and Sergey if necessary). I agree that  
these are serious issues.

— Alexander

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:05:18 -0700, and <[hidden email]>  
wrote:

> It doesn't however seem that youtube have relaxed their highly dubious  
> terms and conditions which basically allow them to do near anything  
> with  your work.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/t/terms
> "by submitting User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a  
> worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable  
> license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of,  
> display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube  
> Website and YouTube's (and its successors' and affiliates') business,  
> including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or  
> all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media  
> formats and through any media channels."
>
> I think this is incredibly problematic for any media producer,  
> particularly non-profits who are often putting up sensitive materials  
> (human rights violations say or indigenous issues). The fact that CC  
> licenses are also not available is also cause for concern for those  
> interested in marrying their principals with how they license their  
> work. I don't think giving away 300 digital cameras (a drop in the ocean  
> for YT) really cuts it myself particularly given YT will basically get a  
> stack of free content they can then advertise next too, they'll make up  
> the cost of those cameras pretty quickly. Add to this the fact that YT  
> make it hard to download and remix work and only offer low-resolution  
> flash video and you still have a pretty standard 'broadcast' media model.
>
> In my opinion YT basically offer an audience, highly valuable, but for  
> me it's not enough. I think Plone people should be much more interested  
> in creating alternatives to YT that allow people to control their  
> content and gather money from advertising or donations which YT doesn't  
> currently allow (though apparently they are moving to.) Basically that's  
> some of the core reasons for EngageMedia/Plumi <http:/plumi.org> which  
> we've been working on for a while now.
>
> If you want to read more rants along this line you can check
> http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/
>
> Cheers.
> Andrew
>
> On 29/09/2007, at 4:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0700, Alexander Limi  
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too  
>>>> though, there must be something in the air at google :-)
>>>
>>> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)
>>
>> Nice, I just saw that they are giving away video cameras to the first  
>> 300 NGOs that sign up — I wasn't aware of that:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits
>>
>> --Alexander Limi · http://limi.net
>>
>>
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[Derec Davies FoE Brisbane]

Hi All
Thanks for the wonderful conversations regarding this matter - good to keep
things real and critical.

Personally and on behalf of my organisation (Friends of the Earth
Australia), we would not touch this offer and have concerns regarding Goggle
(a..ka mega corp information control) aspirations.

But that said


On 30/9/07 2:58 AM, "Alexander Limi" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Have you tried raising these issues with them, especially now that they
> are trying to court NGOs? I'm sure they are willing to listen.
>
> If you don't get any sensible answers, I'm happy to help with locating the
> right people (and take it to Larry and Sergey if necessary). I agree that
> these are serious issues.
>
> ‹ Alexander
>
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:05:18 -0700, and <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't however seem that youtube have relaxed their highly dubious
>> terms and conditions which basically allow them to do near anything
>> with  your work.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/t/terms
>> "by submitting User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a
>> worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable
>> license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of,
>> display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube
>> Website and YouTube's (and its successors' and affiliates') business,
>> including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or
>> all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media
>> formats and through any media channels."
>>
>> I think this is incredibly problematic for any media producer,
>> particularly non-profits who are often putting up sensitive materials
>> (human rights violations say or indigenous issues). The fact that CC
>> licenses are also not available is also cause for concern for those
>> interested in marrying their principals with how they license their
>> work. I don't think giving away 300 digital cameras (a drop in the ocean
>> for YT) really cuts it myself particularly given YT will basically get a
>> stack of free content they can then advertise next too, they'll make up
>> the cost of those cameras pretty quickly. Add to this the fact that YT
>> make it hard to download and remix work and only offer low-resolution
>> flash video and you still have a pretty standard 'broadcast' media model.
>>
>> In my opinion YT basically offer an audience, highly valuable, but for
>> me it's not enough. I think Plone people should be much more interested
>> in creating alternatives to YT that allow people to control their
>> content and gather money from advertising or donations which YT doesn't
>> currently allow (though apparently they are moving to.) Basically that's
>> some of the core reasons for EngageMedia/Plumi <http:/plumi.org> which
>> we've been working on for a while now.
>>
>> If you want to read more rants along this line you can check
>> http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 29/09/2007, at 4:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0700, Alexander Limi
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too
>>>>> though, there must be something in the air at google :-)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)
>>>
>>> Nice, I just saw that they are giving away video cameras to the first
>>> 300 NGOs that sign up ‹ I wasn't aware of that:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits
>>>
>>> --Alexander Limi · http://limi.net
>>>
>>>
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>
>

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[Alexander Limi]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:07:02 -0700, Derec Davies FoE Brisbane  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Personally and on behalf of my organisation (Friends of the Earth
> Australia), we would not touch this offer and have concerns regarding  
> Goggle
> (a..ka mega corp information control) aspirations.

I'd like to hear your concerns, I'm sure we can fix this.

> But that said

That send button was hit too early, I assume. ;)

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[mrenoch]

 >> Personally and on behalf of my organization (Friends of the Earth
 >> Australia), we would not touch this offer and have concerns regarding
 >> Goggle
 >> (a..ka mega corp information control) aspirations.

 > I'd like to hear your concerns, I'm sure we can fix this.

I think the problems might be a bit more systemic than a quick fix:

http://www.metamute.org/en/InfoEnclosure-2.0

"From this perspective, it can be said that Web 2.0 is capitalism’s
preemptive attack against P2P systems... The mission of Web 2.0 is to
destroy the P2P aspect of the internet. To make you, your computer, and
your internet connection dependent on connecting to a centralized
service that controls your ability to communicate. Web 2.0 is the ruin
of free, peer-to-peer systems and the return of monolithic ‘online
services’."

There are issues with this critique (especially since the federated
protocols metamute advocates don't exist (yet)), but the analysis is
frightening and general.

Sure, there are more optimistic takes on web 2.0 (I first saw this link
here - http://healthhacker.org/satoroams/?p=780, and I myself have faith
-
http://alchemicalmusings.org/2007/02/26/the-organizational-digital-divide/),
but I think this essay may help clarify the anxiety that Friends of the
Earth and others are feeling.

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[and-18]

Hi Alex,

On 30/09/2007, at 2:58 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:

> Have you tried raising these issues with them, especially now that  
> they are trying to court NGOs? I'm sure they are willing to listen.

Well who to raise it with exactly in order to get heard? Am happy to  
be put in contact with the right people though as people have noted  
there are broader structural issues related to the type of web YT et  
al are seeking to build. That said an improvement here may well spurn  
on other changes.

Let me know.

Cheers.
Andrew

>
> If you don't get any sensible answers, I'm happy to help with  
> locating the right people (and take it to Larry and Sergey if  
> necessary). I agree that these are serious issues.
>
> — Alexander
>
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:05:18 -0700, and <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't however seem that youtube have relaxed their highly  
>> dubious terms and conditions which basically allow them to do near  
>> anything with  your work.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/t/terms
>> "by submitting User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant  
>> YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable  
>> and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare  
>> derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in  
>> connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its  
>> successors' and affiliates') business, including without  
>> limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the  
>> YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media  
>> formats and through any media channels."
>>
>> I think this is incredibly problematic for any media producer,  
>> particularly non-profits who are often putting up sensitive  
>> materials (human rights violations say or indigenous issues). The  
>> fact that CC licenses are also not available is also cause for  
>> concern for those interested in marrying their principals with how  
>> they license their work. I don't think giving away 300 digital  
>> cameras (a drop in the ocean for YT) really cuts it myself  
>> particularly given YT will basically get a stack of free content  
>> they can then advertise next too, they'll make up the cost of  
>> those cameras pretty quickly. Add to this the fact that YT make it  
>> hard to download and remix work and only offer low-resolution  
>> flash video and you still have a pretty standard 'broadcast' media  
>> model.
>>
>> In my opinion YT basically offer an audience, highly valuable, but  
>> for me it's not enough. I think Plone people should be much more  
>> interested in creating alternatives to YT that allow people to  
>> control their content and gather money from advertising or  
>> donations which YT doesn't currently allow (though apparently they  
>> are moving to.) Basically that's some of the core reasons for  
>> EngageMedia/Plumi <http:/plumi.org> which we've been working on  
>> for a while now.
>>
>> If you want to read more rants along this line you can check
>> http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 29/09/2007, at 4:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0700, Alexander Limi  
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too  
>>>>> though, there must be something in the air at google :-)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)
>>>
>>> Nice, I just saw that they are giving away video cameras to the  
>>> first 300 NGOs that sign up — I wasn't aware of that:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits
>>>
>>> --Alexander Limi · http://limi.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Any idea when this might be expanding to cover Canadian NGO's b bro?

Christopher Steel

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On 9/30/07, Alexander Limi <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:07:02 -0700, Derec Davies FoE Brisbane
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Personally and on behalf of my organisation (Friends of the Earth
> > Australia), we would not touch this offer and have concerns regarding
> > Goggle
> > (a..ka mega corp information control) aspirations.
>
> I'd like to hear your concerns, I'm sure we can fix this.
>
> > But that said
>
> That send button was hit too early, I assume. ;)
>
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