Gale! It seems to be a bug in Pulse, not in ALSA

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Not sure which Audacity version, it is the standard one that I downloaded from Sourceforge
I will look for version if I know where to look. Alex

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> Hi Alex,
>
> For such questions, you need to specify your computer's operating system
> , version of Audacity you are using, and type of microphone. Otherwise we
> cannot help you.
>
> David
>
> --
> David R. Sky
> http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >
> > > New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume input, please advise, thank you, Alex -------------- Original message from
> [hidden email]: --------------
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:13 +0200
> >> Igor Chernenko wrote:
> >>> I would like to try.
> >>> I have never built anything from CVS,
> >>> but I have already compiled a lot of things on Ubuntu successfully.
> >>>
> >>> The best is a source as tar.gz (or the like)
> >>>
> >>> I remember I have already read a howto on Audacity web site
> >>> on how to build Audacity from CVS.
> >>> It is not comprehensible for me.
> >>> It was, perhaps, written by SUSE people.
> >>>
> >>> You see, I am essentially spoiled by the comfort of Ubuntu documentation.
> >>
> >> Did you try our Wiki?
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux
> >>
> >> Certainly those pages could do with some work or updating
> >> (and the beginners' page designedly still relates to Audacity
> >> stable), but they are essentially usable. Well I could compile CVS
> >> as a Linux novice, which you aren't. :=)
> >>
> >> Or, you can wait for 1.3.8 to see if Audacity performs better with
> >> Pulse. 1.3.8 will be very soon.
> >>
> >>
> >>> And it is a well known fact that Audacity is difficult to use on Ubuntu
> >>>
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202857
> >>> QUOTE:
> >>> "You could just set the sound devices in audacity preferences to use alsa,
> >>> surely, as I have. If I try and use pulse I can not record anything nor play
> >>> it back, I just get error messages, but I don't have to kill pulse
> >>> system-wide for the audacity session."
> >>> (ajgreeny
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> My friends reported similar problems (on Ubuntu 8.10, for example)
> >>>
> >>> Just take a look at Ubuntu Multimedia
> >>> Production
> >>> forum,
> >>> and you will see how many users have problems with Audacity
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
> >>
> >> Before Ubuntu packaged Audacity with an ALSA:pulse device
> >> you simply had to turn pulseaudio off to record with Audacity
> >> because PortAudio (our Audio I/O interface) did not support
> >> pulseaudio.
> >>
> >> Even since then, there are some problems because Pulse is the
> >> default audio system on Ubuntu, yet at the same time it seems
> >> to be admitted in those Forums that the Ubuntu implementation
> >> of Pulse was not perfect.
> >>
> >> So you must compile CVS or wait for1.3.8 and see if things are
> >> better between Pulse and Audacity. Then we have problems with
> >> JACK for the same reason (PortAudio does not yet support it
> >> properly).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gale
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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And now

CONCLUSION:

This howto for beginners
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners

is a recipe for disaster.
Following such a howto, a beginner can easily destroy the entire system of dependencies.
This may render his Linux system broken and unusable.
It may also work as a time bomb.
The disaster may happen later, when he install or compile another program.

This is story of troubles told by a very experienced hacker:
Eric S. Raymond: Goodbye Fedora, Hello Ubuntu
http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/13640
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 I use USB Snowball mike and Windows XP
Audacity version is stansard one from Sourceforge
Mike volume zeros out when I press record. Alex
-------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" <[hidden email]>: --------------


> Hi Alex,
>
> For such questions, you need to specify your computer's operating system
> , version of Audacity you are using, and type of microphone. Otherwise we
> cannot help you.
>
> David
>
> --
> David R. Sky
> http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >
> > > New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume input, please advise, thank you, Alex -------------- Original message from
> [hidden email]: --------------
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:13 +0200
> >> Igor Chernenko wrote:
> >>> I would like to try.
> >>> I have never built anything from CVS,
> >>> but I have already compiled a lot of things on Ubuntu successfully.
> >>>
> >>> The best is a source as tar.gz (or the like)
> >>>
> >>> I remember I have already read a howto on Audacity web site
> >>> on how to build Audacity from CVS.
> >>> It is not comprehensible for me.
> >>> It was, perhaps, written by SUSE people.
> >>>
> >>> You see, I am essentially spoiled by the comfort of Ubuntu documentation.
> >>
> >> Did you try our Wiki?
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux
> >>
> >> Certainly those pages could do with some work or updating
> >> (and the beginners' page designedly still relates to Audacity
> >> stable), but they are essentially usable. Well I could compile CVS
> >> as a Linux novice, which you aren't. :=)
> >>
> >> Or, you can wait for 1.3.8 to see if Audacity performs better with
> >> Pulse. 1.3.8 will be very soon.
> >>
> >>
> >>> And it is a well known fact that Audacity is difficult to use on Ubuntu
> >>>
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202857
> >>> QUOTE:
> >>> "You could just set the sound devices in audacity preferences to use alsa,
> >>> surely, as I have. If I try and use pulse I can not record anything nor play
> >>> it back, I just get error messages, but I don't have to kill pulse
> >>> system-wide for the audacity session."
> >>> (ajgreeny
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> My friends reported similar problems (on Ubuntu 8.10, for example)
> >>>
> >>> Just take a look at Ubuntu Multimedia
> >>> Production
> >>> forum,
> >>> and you will see how many users have problems with Audacity
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
> >>
> >> Before Ubuntu packaged Audacity with an ALSA:pulse device
> >> you simply had to turn pulseaudio off to record with Audacity
> >> because PortAudio (our Audio I/O interface) did not support
> >> pulseaudio.
> >>
> >> Even since then, there are some problems because Pulse is the
> >> default audio system on Ubuntu, yet at the same time it seems
> >> to be admitted in those Forums that the Ubuntu implementation
> >> of Pulse was not perfect.
> >>
> >> So you must compile CVS or wait for1.3.8 and see if things are
> >> better between Pulse and Audacity. Then we have problems with
> >> JACK for the same reason (PortAudio does not yet support it
> >> properly).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gale
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Hi Alex,

Check under the help menu, 'about'.

Audacity is up to 1.3.7 beta now, 1.3.8 will be released within the next
couple weeks. There are _major_ differences between the 1.2.x and the
1.3.x series, instructions can often be very different!

Thanks

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On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:

>
>
> Thank you:Microsoft XP
> Snowball USB mike
> Not sure which Audacity version, it is the standard one that I downloaded from Sourceforge
> I will look for version if I know where to look. Alex
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" <[hidden email]>: --------------
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> For such questions, you need to specify your computer's operating system
>> , version of Audacity you are using, and type of microphone. Otherwise we
>> cannot help you.
>>
>> David
>>
>> --
>> David R. Sky
>> http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume input, please advise, thank you, Alex -------------- Original message from
>> [hidden email]: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:13 +0200
>>>> Igor Chernenko  wrote:
>>>>> I would like to try.
>>>>> I have never built anything from CVS,
>>>>> but I have already compiled a lot of things on Ubuntu successfully.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best is a source as tar.gz (or the like)
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember I have already read a howto on Audacity web site
>>>>> on how to build Audacity from CVS.
>>>>> It is not comprehensible for me.
>>>>> It was, perhaps, written by SUSE people.
>>>>>
>>>>> You see, I am essentially spoiled by the comfort of Ubuntu documentation.
>>>>
>>>> Did you try our Wiki?
>>>> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
>>>> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux
>>>>
>>>> Certainly those pages could do with some work or updating
>>>> (and the beginners' page designedly still relates to Audacity
>>>> stable), but they are essentially usable. Well I could compile CVS
>>>> as a Linux novice, which you aren't.  :=)
>>>>
>>>> Or, you can wait for 1.3.8 to see if Audacity performs better with
>>>> Pulse. 1.3.8 will be very soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And it is a well known fact that Audacity is difficult to use on Ubuntu
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202857
>>>>> QUOTE:
>>>>> "You could just set the sound devices in audacity preferences to use alsa,
>>>>> surely, as I have. If I try and use pulse I can not record anything nor play
>>>>> it back, I just get error messages, but I don't have to kill pulse
>>>>> system-wide for the audacity session."
>>>>> (ajgreeny
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> My friends reported similar problems (on Ubuntu 8.10, for example)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just take a look at Ubuntu Multimedia
>>>>> Production
>>>>> forum,
>>>>> and you will see how many users have problems with Audacity
>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
>>>>
>>>> Before Ubuntu packaged Audacity with an ALSA:pulse device
>>>> you simply had to turn pulseaudio off to record with Audacity
>>>> because PortAudio (our Audio I/O interface) did not support
>>>> pulseaudio.
>>>>
>>>> Even since then, there are some problems because Pulse is the
>>>> default audio system on Ubuntu, yet at the same time it seems
>>>> to be admitted in those Forums that the Ubuntu implementation
>>>> of Pulse was not perfect.
>>>>
>>>> So you must compile CVS or wait for1.3.8 and see if things are
>>>> better between Pulse and Audacity. Then we have problems with
>>>> JACK for the same reason (PortAudio does not yet support it
>>>> properly).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --
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>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page:
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users
>>>
>
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 I use version 1.2.6
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 I use USB Snowball mike and Windows XP
Audacity version is stansard one from Sourceforge
Mike volume zeros out when I press record. Alex
-------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" <[hidden email]>: --------------


> Hi Alex,
>
> For such questions, you need to specify your computer's operating system
> , version of Audacity you are using, and type of microphone. Otherwise we
> cannot help you.
>
> David
>
> --
> David R. Sky
> http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >
> > > New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume input, please advise, thank you, Alex -------------- Original message from
> [hidden email]: --------------
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:13 +0200
> >> Igor Chernenko wrote:
> >>> I would like to try.
> >>> I have never built anything from CVS,
> >>> but I have already compiled a lot of things on Ubuntu successfully.
> >>>
> >>> The best is a source as tar.gz (or the like)
> >>>
> >>> I remember I have already read a howto on Audacity web site
> >>> on how to build Audacity from CVS.
> >>> It is not comprehensible for me.
> >>> It was, perhaps, written by SUSE people.
> >>>
> >>> You see, I am essentially spoiled by the comfort of Ubuntu documentation.
> >>
> >> Did you try our Wiki?
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux
> >>
> >> Certainly those pages could do with some work or updating
> >> (and the beginners' page designedly still relates to Audacity
> >> stable), but they are essentially usable. Well I could compile CVS
> >> as a Linux novice, which you aren't. :=)
> >>
> >> Or, you can wait for 1.3.8 to see if Audacity performs better with
> >> Pulse. 1.3.8 will be very soon.
> >>
> >>
> >>> And it is a well known fact that Audacity is difficult to use on Ubuntu
> >>>
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202857
> >>> QUOTE:
> >>> "You could just set the sound devices in audacity preferences to use alsa,
> >>> surely, as I have. If I try and use pulse I can not record anything nor play
> >>> it back, I just get error messages, but I don't have to kill pulse
> >>> system-wide for the audacity session."
> >>> (ajgreeny
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> My friends reported similar problems (on Ubuntu 8.10, for example)
> >>>
> >>> Just take a look at Ubuntu Multimedia
> >>> Production
> >>> forum,
> >>> and you will see how many users have problems with Audacity
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
> >>
> >> Before Ubuntu packaged Audacity with an ALSA:pulse device
> >> you simply had to turn pulseaudio off to record with Audacity
> >> because PortAudio (our Audio I/O interface) did not support
> >> pulseaudio.
> >>
> >> Even since then, there are some problems because Pulse is the
> >> default audio system on Ubuntu, yet at the same time it seems
> >> to be admitted in those Forums that the Ubuntu implementation
> >> of Pulse was not perfect.
> >>
> >> So you must compile CVS or wait for1.3.8 and see if things are
> >> better between Pulse and Audacity. Then we have problems with
> >> JACK for the same reason (PortAudio does not yet support it
> >> properly).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gale
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> --
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> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page:
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users
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-------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" <[hidden email]>: -------------- 


> Hi Alex,
>
> Check under the help menu, 'about'.
>
> Audacity is up to 1.3.7 beta now, 1.3.8 will be released within the next
> couple weeks. There are _major_ differences between the 1.2.x and the
> 1.3.x series, instructions can often be very different!
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
> --
> David R. Sky
> http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thank you:Microsoft XP
> > Snowball USB mike > Not sure which Audacity version, it is the standard one that I downloaded from
> Sourceforge
> > I will look for version if I know where to look. Alex
> >
> > > -------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" :
> --------------
> >> Hi Alex,
> >>
> >> For such questions, you need to specify your computer's operating system
> >> , version of Audacity you are using, and type of microphone. Otherwise we
> >> cannot help you.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> --
> >> David R. Sky
> >> http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it
> up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume input,
> please advise, thank you, Alex -------------- Original message from
> >> [hidden email]: --------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:13 +0200
> >>>> Igor Chernenko wrote:
> >>>>> I would like to try.
> >>>>> I have never built anything from CVS,
> >>>>> but I have already compiled a lot of things on Ubuntu successfully.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The best is a source as tar.gz (or the like)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I remember I have already read a howto on Audacity web site
> >>>>> on how to build Audacity from CVS.
> >>>>> It is not comprehensible for me.
> >>>>> It was, perhaps, written by SUSE people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You see, I am essentially spoiled by the comfort of Ubuntu documentation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you try our Wiki?
> >>>> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
> >>>> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux
> >>>>
> >>>> Certainly those pages could do with some work or updating
> >>>> (and the beginners' page designedly still relates to Audacity
> >>>> stable), but they are essentially usable. Well I could compile CVS
> >>>> as a Linux novice, which you aren't. :=)
> >>>>
> >>>> Or, you can wait for 1.3.8 to see if Audacity performs better with
> >>>> Pulse. 1.3.8 will be very soon.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> And it is a well known fact that Audacity is difficult to use on Ubuntu
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202857
> >>>>> QUOTE:
> >>>>> "You could just set the sound devices in audacity preferences to use alsa,
> >>>>> surely, as I have. If I try and use pulse I can not record anything nor
> play
> >>>>> it back, I just get error messages, but I don't have to kill pulse
> >>>>> system-wide for the audacity session."
> >>>>> (ajgreeny
> >>>>> )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My friends reported similar problems (on Ubuntu 8.10, for example)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just take a look at Ubuntu Multimedia
> >>>>> Production
> >>>>> forum,
> >>>>> and you will see how many users have problems with Audacity
> >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
> >>>>
> >>>> Before Ubuntu packaged Audacity with an ALSA:pulse device
> >>>> you simply had to turn pulseaudio off to record with Audacity
> >>>> because PortAudio (our Audio I/O interface) did not support
> >>>> pulseaudio.
> >>>>
> >>>> Even since then, there are some problems because Pulse is the
> >>>> default audio system on Ubuntu, yet at the same time it seems
> >>>> to be admitted in those Forums that the Ubuntu implementation
> >>>> of Pulse was not perfect.
> >>>>
> >>>> So you must compile CVS or wait for1.3.8 and see if things are
> >>>> better between Pulse and Audacity. Then we have problems with
> >>>> JACK for the same reason (PortAudio does not yet support it
> >>>> properly).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gale
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> --
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> >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, use the form at the bottom of this web page:
> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-users
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 I use USB Snowball mike and Windows XP
Audacity version is stansard one from Sourceforge 1.2.6
Mike volume zeros out when I press record. Alex
-------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" <[hidden email]>: --------------


> Hi Alex,
>
> For such questions, you need to specify your computer's operating system
> , version of Audacity you are using, and type of microphone. Otherwise we
> cannot help you.
>
> David
>
> --
> David R. Sky
> http://www.shellworld.net/~davidsky/
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >
> > > New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume input, please advise, thank you, Alex -------------- Original message from
> [hidden email]: --------------
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:13 +0200
> >> Igor Chernenko wrote:
> >>> I would like to try.
> >>> I have never built anything from CVS,
> >>> but I have already compiled a lot of things on Ubuntu successfully.
> >>>
> >>> The best is a source as tar.gz (or the like)
> >>>
> >>> I remember I have already read a howto on Audacity web site
> >>> on how to build Audacity from CVS.
> >>> It is not comprehensible for me.
> >>> It was, perhaps, written by SUSE people.
> >>>
> >>> You see, I am essentially spoiled by the comfort of Ubuntu documentation.
> >>
> >> Did you try our Wiki?
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
> >> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux
> >>
> >> Certainly those pages could do with some work or updating
> >> (and the beginners' page designedly still relates to Audacity
> >> stable), but they are essentially usable. Well I could compile CVS
> >> as a Linux novice, which you aren't. :=)
> >>
> >> Or, you can wait for 1.3.8 to see if Audacity performs better with
> >> Pulse. 1.3.8 will be very soon.
> >>
> >>
> >>> And it is a well known fact that Audacity is difficult to use on Ubuntu
> >>>
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202857
> >>> QUOTE:
> >>> "You could just set the sound devices in audacity preferences to use alsa,
> >>> surely, as I have. If I try and use pulse I can not record anything nor play
> >>> it back, I just get error messages, but I don't have to kill pulse
> >>> system-wide for the audacity session."
> >>> (ajgreeny
> >>> )
> >>>
> >>> My friends reported similar problems (on Ubuntu 8.10, for example)
> >>>
> >>> Just take a look at Ubuntu Multimedia
> >>> Production
> >>> forum,
> >>> and you will see how many users have problems with Audacity
> >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
> >>
> >> Before Ubuntu packaged Audacity with an ALSA:pulse device
> >> you simply had to turn pulseaudio off to record with Audacity
> >> because PortAudio (our Audio I/O interface) did not support
> >> pulseaudio.
> >>
> >> Even since then, there are some problems because Pulse is the
> >> default audio system on Ubuntu, yet at the same time it seems
> >> to be admitted in those Forums that the Ubuntu implementation
> >> of Pulse was not perfect.
> >>
> >> So you must compile CVS or wait for1.3.8 and see if things are
> >> better between Pulse and Audacity. Then we have problems with
> >> JACK for the same reason (PortAudio does not yet support it
> >> properly).
> >>
> >>
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Thanks for checking.

I responded to your original question because no-one else had at that
point. That said, admittedly I'm not familiar with your problem or using a
USB mike, but the information you provided will be useful to someone else
who can helpfully answer your question.

Thanks

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>
>
> I use version 1.2.6.
> Thank you
> -------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" <[hidden email]>: --------------
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Check under the help menu, 'about'.
>>
>> Audacity is up to 1.3.7 beta now, 1.3.8 will be released within the next
>> couple weeks. There are _major_ differences between the 1.2.x and the
>> 1.3.x series, instructions can often be very different!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you:Microsoft XP
>>> Snowball USB mike> Not sure which Audacity version, it is the standard one that I downloaded from
>> Sourceforge
>>> I will look for version if I know where to look. Alex
>>>
>>>> -------------- Original message from "David R. Sky" :
>> --------------
>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>
>>>> For such questions, you need to specify your computer's operating system
>>>> , version of Audacity you are using, and type of microphone. Otherwise we
>>>> cannot help you.
>>>>
>>>> David
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>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it
>> up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume input,
>> please advise, thank you, Alex -------------- Original message from
>>>> [hidden email]: --------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:02:13 +0200
>>>>>> Igor Chernenko  wrote:
>>>>>>> I would like to try.
>>>>>>> I have never built anything from CVS,
>>>>>>> but I have already compiled a lot of things on Ubuntu successfully.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best is a source as tar.gz (or the like)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember I have already read a howto on Audacity web site
>>>>>>> on how to build Audacity from CVS.
>>>>>>> It is not comprehensible for me.
>>>>>>> It was, perhaps, written by SUSE people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You see, I am essentially spoiled by the comfort of Ubuntu documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you try our Wiki?
>>>>>> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
>>>>>> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly those pages could do with some work or updating
>>>>>> (and the beginners' page designedly still relates to Audacity
>>>>>> stable), but they are essentially usable. Well I could compile CVS
>>>>>> as a Linux novice, which you aren't.  :=)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, you can wait for 1.3.8 to see if Audacity performs better with
>>>>>> Pulse. 1.3.8 will be very soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it is a well known fact that Audacity is difficult to use on Ubuntu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1202857
>>>>>>> QUOTE:
>>>>>>> "You could just set the sound devices in audacity preferences to use alsa,
>>>>>>> surely, as I have. If I try and use pulse I can not record anything nor
>> play
>>>>>>> it back, I just get error messages, but I don't have to kill pulse
>>>>>>> system-wide for the audacity session."
>>>>>>> (ajgreeny
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My friends reported similar problems (on Ubuntu 8.10, for example)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just take a look at Ubuntu Multimedia
>>>>>>> Production
>>>>>>> forum,
>>>>>>> and you will see how many users have problems with Audacity
>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before Ubuntu packaged Audacity with an ALSA:pulse device
>>>>>> you simply had to turn pulseaudio off to record with Audacity
>>>>>> because PortAudio (our Audio I/O interface) did not support
>>>>>> pulseaudio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even since then, there are some problems because Pulse is the
>>>>>> default audio system on Ubuntu, yet at the same time it seems
>>>>>> to be admitted in those Forums that the Ubuntu implementation
>>>>>> of Pulse was not perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you must compile CVS or wait for1.3.8 and see if things are
>>>>>> better between Pulse and Audacity. Then we have problems with
>>>>>> JACK for the same reason (PortAudio does not yet support it
>>>>>> properly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gale
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Hi again Alex,

I just realized there's an extensive Wiki site on numerous
Audacity-related questions, check:

http://www.audacityteam.org/wiki

I'm in a rush right now so do not have the time to find a specific page on
the Wiki for you.

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> Hi Alex,
>
> Thanks for checking.
>
> I responded to your original question because no-one else had at that
> point. That said, admittedly I'm not familiar with your problem or using a
> USB mike, but the information you provided will be useful to someone else
> who can helpfully answer your question.
>
> Thanks
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> David
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> And now
>
> CONCLUSION:
>
> This howto for beginners
> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
>
> is a recipe for disaster.
> Following such a howto, a beginner can easily destroy the entire
> system of dependencies.

can easily  FUD!

If you start poking around in the registry on windows without knowing
what you are doing, you can easily destroy your sytem.  If you login as
root and type cd /  then  rm -rf *  you can destroy your linux system.

But, in general, they won't.  Igor you are giving bad advice here.
By default, audacity installs in the /usr/local hierarchy.  This has no
effect on dependencies, by design.

As a user, you have to place this hierarchy in your path to use it.
And the packaging tools don't parse it during dependency resolution.  

The /usr/local hierarchy exists so a user can install software without
affecting the main packaging system.

I have installed the audacity package from CVS and from the tar ball
many times over the years.  I have never had a problem with broken
dependiencies because of it.  Of course, I'm not a beginner anymore,
but I was at one time, and it worked.

I suppose if you substitute naive or ignorant user for beginner, you
have a point.  Linux isn't windows (thank goodness!) and you have to
know what you are doing if you customize your system.  If you
don't want to make that effort, if you don't want to take
responsibility, run only officially sanctioned packages from the
distribution repositories. That makes you a pseudo windows user, albeit
a more secure and up to date version.

> This may render his Linux system broken and unusable.
> It may also work as a time bomb.
> The disaster may happen later, when he install or compile another
> program.

may, may.  FUD!

Linux customization or experimentation isn't for people who aren't
interested in understanding what is going on.  However, if you
stick with official packages, your system will just work in most
cases.  And Windows systems are destroyed daily by security holes
(estimates place 80% of windows computers in bot nets) without any
action from their users.  It seems you want to have your cake and eat
it too, you want the freedom of linux, but you don't want to make the
effort to learn and understand so you can utilize the freedom properly.

>
> This is story of troubles told by a very experienced hacker:
> Eric S. Raymond: Goodbye Fedora, Hello Ubuntu
> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/13640

Eric Raymond has a disagreement with the basic philosophy of the Fedora
project.  He tried to push and lost, his ego was bruised. Sour grapes.
I've tried lots of distributions over the years, and will probably try
lots more in coming years.  To each their own.

Igor, if you read the responses at the above link, you see how people
feel about his 'hissy fit'.  You are welcome to your viewpoints, as is
he, but I don't think the audacity mailing list is the proper advocacy
forum for you. You don't like alsa and pulse (and you don't understand
them from your postings), great!  But many have no problem with them. I
get excellent output from alsa with audacity.  You want to push Ubuntu
as the best distribution, knock yourself out.  But in my opinion, your
posts have crossed the line from informational to advocacy.  Go to
slashdot for advocacy.

I would suggest you alter the documentation to reflect your
corrections, but I don't think you are knowledgeable enough to be doing
that and your corrections would actually be misinformation.

Note, I am not a moderator and have no official position with
Audacity.  This is just one man's opinion.

By the way, I don't think it is a 'bug' in pulse, it is the fact that
pulse is a sound server and runs at a specific frame rate.  It has to
move all sound streams to that frame rate in order to play through the
sound device.  It uses on the fly rate conversion, and this introduces
artifacts into the sound.  Again, I don't think you know what you are
doing here, and are drawing faulty conclusions from limited data.

OSS4 uses a windows philosophy to process sound (in the kernel), alsa
uses a more linux oriented approach (anything that doesn't have to be
in kernel space, shouldn't be, for kernel response and security
reasons).  I don't have an opinion about which is better at this
point.  I doubt the sound quality is any different, they both pull from
the registers of the same sound device, after all.  PlanetCCRMA seems
to get enough quality from alsa to use it for audio purposes (with jack
nd realtime interrupt patch).  For a dedicated sound server, perhaps
the idea of dedicating the kernel to audio processing is valid.  For a
more general purpose system, perhaps not, as that will impact other
performance.

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> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginne
>rs
> Following such a howto, a beginner can easily destroy the entire system
> of dependencies.
> This may render his Linux system broken and unusable.

Both wx and Audacity install to /usr/local by default, using the
instructions provided at the above link.  Based on your 8 argumentative and
factually incorrect posts in the last 24 hours, I am twit-filtering you for
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> New question from new user. Microphone bar will not stay up. When I move it
>  up it shoots straight back to the left. Having very low mike volume
> input,
> Windows XP, 1.2.6, USB Snowball mike

For correcting problems where you are not recording a waveform, see:  
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Troubleshooting_Recordings#silence

You need to exit Audacity, remove and re-connect the microphone to
the USB port then restart Audacity. That should ensure the operating
system and Audacity can both recognise the microphone. In Audacity,
select the USB Codec at Edit > Preferences: Audio I/O tab. If you still
have problems with the input level slider, try adjusting it in the system
mixer:  
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Mixer_Toolbar_Issues#xpcp

To do that, select the USB microphone in the Sound recording panel
and click "Volume".

Also read the Snowball FAQs:
http://www.bluemic.com/snowball/

and manual:
http://www.bluemic.com/snowball/manual.pdf 



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Igor Chernenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This howto for beginners
> http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=CompilingAudacityForBeginners
>
> is a recipe for disaster. Following such a howto, a beginner can easily
> destroy the entire system of dependencies. This may render his Linux
> system broken and unusable.

A basic user does not need to compile anything except wxGTK and
Audacity. Otherwise, just install the development packages for
libraries that Audacity depends on.

And you can always learn how to compile Audacity and improve
the documentation for us. :=)

> O.K. If you do not know the secret commands,
> we can take a howto for compilation of ffmpeg,
> and adapt it for the purpose.
>
> Question 1: Which libraries should be installed before compilation of Audacity?
>                   (the so called "dependencies")

See:
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux#Dependencies
http://audacityteam.org/wiki/index.php?title=Developing_On_Linux#Example_dependencies:_Audacity_1.3.4.2FUbuntu_7.10


> Question 2: With which of options of configure script to disable ALSA and Pulse?

These are not options of the Audacity configure script. Type
./configure --help to see the options that are available.

 
> Question 3: Which are the proper options of checkinstall for Audacity (svn)?

Audacity uses CVS, not SVN.


> I want to have only OSS in my Audacity.

This is not a compile time option.


> And I want to have FFmpeg and all such goodies in my Audacity, of course.

FFmpeg is enabled by default so does not need to be configured. 1.3.8
finds the system-installed FFmpeg headers fine here on Ubuntu 9.04.

This isn't the list to discuss detailed compilation questions. To do
that, please subscribe to our developers' mailing list:
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Hi Stan!

I am very happy to hear you again.
Your explanations are very helpful as usual.

"By the way, I don't think it is a 'bug' in pulse, it is the fact that
pulse is a sound server and runs at a specific frame rate.  It has to
move all sound streams to that frame rate in order to play through the
sound device.  It uses on the fly rate conversion, and this introduces
artifacts into the sound.  Again, I don't think you know what you are
doing here, and are drawing faulty conclusions from limited data."

Now, I feel I begin to understand what is going on.

Perhaps, I was fundamentally misunderstood.
I do not really afraid to destroy my Ubuntu system.
I have already broke my Ubuntu 6.10 many times,
repaired and broke again by all sorts of experiments.

Now I have two Ubuntu 9.04 installed on different computers.
One with ALSA and Pulse, another with OSS4.
It seems that OSS4 performs well.
In particular, Skype works much better with OSS4 than with Pulse.
I hope to make Ekiga working with OSS4 too.

By the way, in Medibuntu repositories
http://packages.medibuntu.org/jaunty/index.html

there are 3 different deb-packages of Skype:
It might be nice to have audacity-oss too.

I am not going to remove Pulse and ALSA from my notebook.
Soon will be a new Ubuntu (9.10) and things will change fundamentally, as usual.

I would like, if it possible, to compile Audacity without ALSA and Pulse
on my Ubuntu box with OSS4.

I do not need to compile wx, it might be sufficient to install these two packages:

libwxgtk2.8-dev
libwxbase2.8-dev

If nobody knows the proper options of checkinstall,
I can take default options.

One question remains unanswered:

With which of options of configure script to disable ALSA and Pulse?

Stan! Could you please tell me these secret options?

Best regards,
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Hi Gale!

The configure script is just a script and nothing more.
It should not be difficult to modify it a little to disable ALSA and Pulse.

If you reveal the secret, I would try to compile Audacity with Ubuntu
9.04 and OSS4.
I could also try to write a howto, if the experiment would be successful.

About security:
I am not a specialist on security, but I did remove several rootkits from
my Windows box many year ago.
I did this with IceSword
http://www.pcworld.ca/news/column/23a7f73b0a010408001a024ccab0dd5e/pg1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

Warning for Windows users:
"Even if the nature and composition of a rootkit is known, the time
and effort of a system administrator with the necessary skills or
experience would be better spent re-installing the operating system
from scratch. Since drive imaging software now makes fairly easy the
task of restoring a “clean” OS installation, there remains no good
reason to try to dig a rootkit out directly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

In short, to remove a rootkit, you should first kill the process,
then you can clean the registry, then delete the evil.

In a similar way, you remove ALSA and Pulse from your Linux system
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound

In short, both ALSA and OSS4 are a kind of rootkits, both might be
equally insecure.
Perhaps, Stan can explain the difference.

It is very probable that "Pulse uses on the fly rate conversion, and
this introduces
artifacts into the sound", as Stan told us. In this case, the effect
might be different
on different boxes.

If you would like to install OSS4, better try it on an old box (if you
have one for experiments).

You see, hacking the Linux kernel is not like compiling Audacity,
it may go astray.

Best,
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Igor Chernenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I would like, if it possible, to compile Audacity without ALSA and
> Pulse on my Ubuntu box with OSS4.

To completely get rid of alsa you will have to recompile the kernel and
select the option that gets rid of alsa.

>
> I do not need to compile wx, it might be sufficient to install these
> two packages:
>
> libwxgtk2.8-dev
> libwxbase2.8-dev
>
> If nobody knows the proper options of checkinstall,
> I can take default options.
>

It would surprise me if wx wasn't already installed on your system.
Many packages use it as their windowing system.

I'm not sure what you are using checkinstall for if they are in your
package management repositories.

> One question remains unanswered:
>
> With which of options of configure script to disable ALSA and Pulse?

run   ./configure --help  | less
If there is no option to disable Alsa or pulse, then you will have to
add it.

>
> Stan! Could you please tell me these secret options?

Not secret.  As Gale said, if you ask on the developer list, one of the
developers will probably be able to tell you yes or no, and tell you
how much work it would be to alter the script and program to do
that.  I doubt they already exist.

Don't know about them as I've never wanted to compile without alsa, at
least.

I suspect the bottleneck is portaudio, as it is the interface that
audacity uses for cross platform compatibility.  Perhaps you should go
to their website and ask the developers about using it with oss4.

If you really want to do this, I think you will have to modify the
source code of audacity - perhaps you can provide a patch to enable the
capability in future versions.

This discussion seems marginal for an audacity user list.

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Igor Chernenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Gale!
>
> The configure script is just a script and nothing more.

Do a web search on autoconf.

> It should not be difficult to modify it a little to disable ALSA and
> Pulse.

???!!

Igor, you will have to look at the code to determine this.  Do you
understand how audacity works?  I mean from a high level.  This comment
makes me think you don't.  Do you understand how programs access
libraries and what an API is?  I think you need to do some reading on
the concept of a shared library.

>
> If you reveal the secret, I would try to compile Audacity with Ubuntu
> 9.04 and OSS4.
> I could also try to write a howto, if the experiment would be
> successful.
>
It doesn't matter if alsa or pulse is present or not in audacity.  It
only matters that there is an interface to OSS4 that you can select
instead.

What are you trying to accomplish here?  Why does it matter that alsa
and pulse are or are not compiled into audacity?  Or OSS4 is or is not?

What's your motive for doing this?  You don't seem to have much
knowledge of linux and how it functions, so it has to be a lot of work
for you.  Why are you expending all this effort?  What is the point?

Are you an OSS4 developer or project member?  Are you trying to
supplant alsa as sound system for linux?  Why?

I just get the vibe from your posts that I get from door to door
salesmen who tell me "I'm not here to sell you anything."  Really???
Oh, you just came to my door to have a chat.  How nice of you.  So, how
are the wife and kids?

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Hi Stan!

"To completely get rid of alsa you will have to recompile the kernel and
select the option that gets rid of alsa."

I have already got rid of ALSA, without recompilation of the kernel.

see:
Blacklisting ALSA Modules
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound#Blacklisting%20ALSA%20Modules

It is enough for the moment.

Pulse is completely removed.

Audacity works well with OSS4.

The problem is this:
"The ALSA's OSS API emulation, however, is often buggy."
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OSS

In short, I would like to know how Audacity reads from OSS4 devices.

"This discussion seems marginal for an audacity user list."
If you think so, you can answer by email.
I would be thankful in any case.

Best,
Igor

CheckInstall
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What is the difference between checkinstall and "make install"?

checkinstall prevents you from doing nonsense.
It can also save your system in some cases.
That is the reason why we use it on Ubuntu and Debian.

I just made some experiments,
a harmless hack, this one:
http://www.4front-tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3225&start=26

cd ~/
tar xzf libcanberra-0.14.tar.gz
cd libcanberra-0.14/
./configure --prefix=/usr --with-builtin=gstreamer
make
sudo make install

It works as described. You get system sounds with OSS4.

But try first "sudo checkinstall" instead of "sudo make install".
Checkinstall will refuse to make such a nonsense.
It will also explain why.

In this particular case, you can safely apply "sudo make install"
and get your sounds. But sooner or later the system may undo
your hack. Then you can safely repeat the hack, and get your sounds back.
In this case, it is harmless.
But when you are doing such things with fundamental libraries...

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