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For the SHR users that aren't reading the SHR mailing lists i'm forwarding
this message from spaetz:



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Datum: Sonntag 01 November 2009
Von: Sebastian Spaeth <[hidden email]>
An: [hidden email], [hidden email]

Hi all, for those of you few that do not live 24/7 in IRC land, here is
a not-so-brief update on what is happening in SHR land. No, we are not
all dead :).

There are a couple of major transitions that have slowed down new images
or indeed any updates in the SHR feed. Let me try to sum up a few and  I
am sure others will chime in and list whatever I have forgotten:

- Transition from the obsolete kdrive-glamo driver to a proper xorg
server infrastructure. This took some time, but it appears that it is
working fine now. Don't expect any (initial) performance boosts, but
being on a regular xorg server and having a driver that is actually
being developed and maintained is a good thing for the future (thanks to
Weiss and others for some really hard work here).

- More fso...d goodness. Rather than having Mickey Lauer's python
prototyped phone backend, we are starting to his re-written bits and
pieces (coded in vala, which should give us a nice performance boost
over python). For the beginning we have the resource handling
(fsoresourced) on board and look forward to the next bits and pieces. I
know very little about the state of things here, so others might have
more information.

-New phone apps: As if that were not enough changes, the core team
(mrmoku, tasn, dos1, and others?) has started to redevelop the frontend
applications for SHR. the old ophonekitd was initially developed by a
guy called quickev who has been missing in action since quite some
months now. Don't ask ME why, but apparently the now design allows for
better/quicker/whatnot development. I'll let one of them speak out for
themselves about the motivations. Besides lots of work,this gives us
also a chance to redesign the screens and make the UI better. So goodbuy
ophonekitd and libphone-efl, welcome phoneui, and libphoneui-shr.

-Bernd Prünzler(spelling?) is kind enough to help out with some theme
development (BTW, you did know there is a theme contest going on, do
you? So, go and design and submit something already!). The default theme
has been designed for powerful desktops, and is using more transparency
and other fancy stuff than the slow graphics can do. He is developing a
theme that should be much faster on the Freerunner (but don't expect
miracles, the hardware will still be barely able to drive a full
VGA-resolution screen). So expect a big fight between dos1 (niebee
theme) and bernd (gry theme) for the fastest performance (while
retaining good looks).

Last but not least: what we had done the last few months, is basically
taking a fork of OpenEmbedded and developing from that. While this gave
us the stability to code apps without having others break our stuff (we
are quite capabable of doing that ourselves it seems :-) ), this led to
a quickly diverging SHR and OE tree. It was decided that we really
should include our stuff into OpenEmbedded proper, rather than just
doing our stuff in parallel. So we had first put all the stuff into an
"SHR/import" git tree which is in the openembedded code repository.
Next, mrmoku created the "shr/merge" tree which is kept in sync with the
OpenEmbedded tree and we ported all our enhancements there. The plan is
to take our bits and pieces from here and merge them into OE over time.
This is where we currently stand, we want to keep using the shr/merge
tree which gives us a current OE tree, but of courseby using more
updated components, lots of stuff was broken. The guys have fought
really hard in the last days (and weeks) to overcome compilation errors,
nonbooting phones, and crashing components. It seems we are now really
close. The new images compile fine (yay!), the phone actually boots, and
many of the crashes have been eliminated. AFAIK, we are currently still
stuck with a segfaulting dbus. As soon as these issues are ironed out,
mrmoku will continue to put updated SHR-unstable images and packages
out. This could take 1,2, or 4 days. I don't know how long and it
depends on how good things will turn out. But there will be a new image
soon. Expect some teething troubles with the new images at first (I am
not sure an opkg upgrade will work), but this is all fancy new stuff
that we are very happy about.

spaetz

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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Thomas Zimmermann
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> For the SHR users that aren't reading the SHR mailing lists i'm forwarding
> this message from spaetz:
> Hi all, for those of you few that do not live 24/7 in IRC land, here is
> a not-so-brief update on what is happening in SHR land. No, we are not
> all dead :).

good to hear my openmoko is not in danger of stagnating! what really
interests me here is themes, being a visual person the code part is
interesting in a getting my hands dirty aspect. but the visual aspects
of the phone need some work.

is there a link to the contest page?

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>good to hear my openmoko is not in danger of stagnating! what really
>interests me here is themes, being a visual person the code part is
>interesting in a getting my hands dirty aspect. but the visual aspects
>of the phone need some work.
>
>is there a link to the contest page?

http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/ThemeContest

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Am Sonntag 01 November 2009 17:20:31 schrieb jeremy jozwik:

> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Thomas Zimmermann
>
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > For the SHR users that aren't reading the SHR mailing lists i'm
> > forwarding this message from spaetz:
> > Hi all, for those of you few that do not live 24/7 in IRC land, here is
> > a not-so-brief update on what is happening in SHR land. No, we are not
> > all dead :).
>
> good to hear my openmoko is not in danger of stagnating! what really
> interests me here is themes, being a visual person the code part is
> interesting in a getting my hands dirty aspect. but the visual aspects
> of the phone need some work.
>
> is there a link to the contest page?
>
The contest page is located at the shr trac:
http://shr-project.org/trac//wiki/ThemeContest

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Thanks for the update!

Ever since I saw that the SHR feeds didn't get updated for a while I compiled SHR myself
from the shr/import branch, so I already knew that there was a lot of activity going on
under the radar.

For me the usage of opimd for contacts is the nicest new feature. It has a VCF backend, so
I could just scp my Kaddressbook contacts over to the FR and have all my contacts
available. nice!

Graphic speed felt a little slower though, and the interfacing with FSO was broken in some
places, like the power management. Also the power button didn't bring up the popup menu.
But these are all findings of a few weeks back, so most will probably be long fixed
already.

Thanks again, looking forward to the next stable unstable release of SHR!

grtz,
Sander


On Sunday 01 November 2009 17:04:30 Thomas Zimmermann wrote:

> For the SHR users that aren't reading the SHR mailing lists i'm forwarding
> this message from spaetz:
>
>
>
> Betreff: [Shr-User] What's going on in SHR land
> Datum: Sonntag 01 November 2009
> Von: Sebastian Spaeth <[hidden email]>
> An: [hidden email], [hidden email]
>
> Hi all, for those of you few that do not live 24/7 in IRC land, here is
> a not-so-brief update on what is happening in SHR land. No, we are not
> all dead :).
>
> There are a couple of major transitions that have slowed down new images
> or indeed any updates in the SHR feed. Let me try to sum up a few and  I
> am sure others will chime in and list whatever I have forgotten:
>
> - Transition from the obsolete kdrive-glamo driver to a proper xorg
> server infrastructure. This took some time, but it appears that it is
> working fine now. Don't expect any (initial) performance boosts, but
> being on a regular xorg server and having a driver that is actually
> being developed and maintained is a good thing for the future (thanks to
> Weiss and others for some really hard work here).
>
> - More fso...d goodness. Rather than having Mickey Lauer's python
> prototyped phone backend, we are starting to his re-written bits and
> pieces (coded in vala, which should give us a nice performance boost
> over python). For the beginning we have the resource handling
> (fsoresourced) on board and look forward to the next bits and pieces. I
> know very little about the state of things here, so others might have
> more information.
>
> -New phone apps: As if that were not enough changes, the core team
> (mrmoku, tasn, dos1, and others?) has started to redevelop the frontend
> applications for SHR. the old ophonekitd was initially developed by a
> guy called quickev who has been missing in action since quite some
> months now. Don't ask ME why, but apparently the now design allows for
> better/quicker/whatnot development. I'll let one of them speak out for
> themselves about the motivations. Besides lots of work,this gives us
> also a chance to redesign the screens and make the UI better. So goodbuy
> ophonekitd and libphone-efl, welcome phoneui, and libphoneui-shr.
>
> -Bernd Prünzler(spelling?) is kind enough to help out with some theme
> development (BTW, you did know there is a theme contest going on, do
> you? So, go and design and submit something already!). The default theme
> has been designed for powerful desktops, and is using more transparency
> and other fancy stuff than the slow graphics can do. He is developing a
> theme that should be much faster on the Freerunner (but don't expect
> miracles, the hardware will still be barely able to drive a full
> VGA-resolution screen). So expect a big fight between dos1 (niebee
> theme) and bernd (gry theme) for the fastest performance (while
> retaining good looks).
>
> Last but not least: what we had done the last few months, is basically
> taking a fork of OpenEmbedded and developing from that. While this gave
> us the stability to code apps without having others break our stuff (we
> are quite capabable of doing that ourselves it seems :-) ), this led to
> a quickly diverging SHR and OE tree. It was decided that we really
> should include our stuff into OpenEmbedded proper, rather than just
> doing our stuff in parallel. So we had first put all the stuff into an
> "SHR/import" git tree which is in the openembedded code repository.
> Next, mrmoku created the "shr/merge" tree which is kept in sync with the
> OpenEmbedded tree and we ported all our enhancements there. The plan is
> to take our bits and pieces from here and merge them into OE over time.
> This is where we currently stand, we want to keep using the shr/merge
> tree which gives us a current OE tree, but of courseby using more
> updated components, lots of stuff was broken. The guys have fought
> really hard in the last days (and weeks) to overcome compilation errors,
> nonbooting phones, and crashing components. It seems we are now really
> close. The new images compile fine (yay!), the phone actually boots, and
> many of the crashes have been eliminated. AFAIK, we are currently still
> stuck with a segfaulting dbus. As soon as these issues are ironed out,
> mrmoku will continue to put updated SHR-unstable images and packages
> out. This could take 1,2, or 4 days. I don't know how long and it
> depends on how good things will turn out. But there will be a new image
> soon. Expect some teething troubles with the new images at first (I am
> not sure an opkg upgrade will work), but this is all fancy new stuff
> that we are very happy about.
>
> spaetz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

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Great news!
I'll wait next release, then I want to help in building extra ipk packages...
d

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Sander van Grieken <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks for the update!

Ever since I saw that the SHR feeds didn't get updated for a while I compiled SHR myself
from the shr/import branch, so I already knew that there was a lot of activity going on
under the radar.

For me the usage of opimd for contacts is the nicest new feature. It has a VCF backend, so
I could just scp my Kaddressbook contacts over to the FR and have all my contacts
available. nice!

Graphic speed felt a little slower though, and the interfacing with FSO was broken in some
places, like the power management. Also the power button didn't bring up the popup menu.
But these are all findings of a few weeks back, so most will probably be long fixed
already.

Thanks again, looking forward to the next stable unstable release of SHR!

grtz,
Sander


On Sunday 01 November 2009 17:04:30 Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
> For the SHR users that aren't reading the SHR mailing lists i'm forwarding
> this message from spaetz:
>
>
>
> Betreff: [Shr-User] What's going on in SHR land
> Datum: Sonntag 01 November 2009
> Von: Sebastian Spaeth <[hidden email]>
> An: [hidden email], [hidden email]
>
> Hi all, for those of you few that do not live 24/7 in IRC land, here is
> a not-so-brief update on what is happening in SHR land. No, we are not
> all dead :).
>
> There are a couple of major transitions that have slowed down new images
> or indeed any updates in the SHR feed. Let me try to sum up a few and  I
> am sure others will chime in and list whatever I have forgotten:
>
> - Transition from the obsolete kdrive-glamo driver to a proper xorg
> server infrastructure. This took some time, but it appears that it is
> working fine now. Don't expect any (initial) performance boosts, but
> being on a regular xorg server and having a driver that is actually
> being developed and maintained is a good thing for the future (thanks to
> Weiss and others for some really hard work here).
>
> - More fso...d goodness. Rather than having Mickey Lauer's python
> prototyped phone backend, we are starting to his re-written bits and
> pieces (coded in vala, which should give us a nice performance boost
> over python). For the beginning we have the resource handling
> (fsoresourced) on board and look forward to the next bits and pieces. I
> know very little about the state of things here, so others might have
> more information.
>
> -New phone apps: As if that were not enough changes, the core team
> (mrmoku, tasn, dos1, and others?) has started to redevelop the frontend
> applications for SHR. the old ophonekitd was initially developed by a
> guy called quickev who has been missing in action since quite some
> months now. Don't ask ME why, but apparently the now design allows for
> better/quicker/whatnot development. I'll let one of them speak out for
> themselves about the motivations. Besides lots of work,this gives us
> also a chance to redesign the screens and make the UI better. So goodbuy
> ophonekitd and libphone-efl, welcome phoneui, and libphoneui-shr.
>
> -Bernd Prünzler(spelling?) is kind enough to help out with some theme
> development (BTW, you did know there is a theme contest going on, do
> you? So, go and design and submit something already!). The default theme
> has been designed for powerful desktops, and is using more transparency
> and other fancy stuff than the slow graphics can do. He is developing a
> theme that should be much faster on the Freerunner (but don't expect
> miracles, the hardware will still be barely able to drive a full
> VGA-resolution screen). So expect a big fight between dos1 (niebee
> theme) and bernd (gry theme) for the fastest performance (while
> retaining good looks).
>
> Last but not least: what we had done the last few months, is basically
> taking a fork of OpenEmbedded and developing from that. While this gave
> us the stability to code apps without having others break our stuff (we
> are quite capabable of doing that ourselves it seems :-) ), this led to
> a quickly diverging SHR and OE tree. It was decided that we really
> should include our stuff into OpenEmbedded proper, rather than just
> doing our stuff in parallel. So we had first put all the stuff into an
> "SHR/import" git tree which is in the openembedded code repository.
> Next, mrmoku created the "shr/merge" tree which is kept in sync with the
> OpenEmbedded tree and we ported all our enhancements there. The plan is
> to take our bits and pieces from here and merge them into OE over time.
> This is where we currently stand, we want to keep using the shr/merge
> tree which gives us a current OE tree, but of courseby using more
> updated components, lots of stuff was broken. The guys have fought
> really hard in the last days (and weeks) to overcome compilation errors,
> nonbooting phones, and crashing components. It seems we are now really
> close. The new images compile fine (yay!), the phone actually boots, and
> many of the crashes have been eliminated. AFAIK, we are currently still
> stuck with a segfaulting dbus. As soon as these issues are ironed out,
> mrmoku will continue to put updated SHR-unstable images and packages
> out. This could take 1,2, or 4 days. I don't know how long and it
> depends on how good things will turn out. But there will be a new image
> soon. Expect some teething troubles with the new images at first (I am
> not sure an opkg upgrade will work), but this is all fancy new stuff
> that we are very happy about.
>
> spaetz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Openmoko community mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
>

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Datum: Donnerstag 05 November 2009
Von: Sebastian Spaeth <[hidden email]>
An: "SHR-user" <[hidden email]>, "SHR-devel" <shr-
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Just a very brief update. With a lot of hard work, we finally managed to
get the new shr/merge branch which is really close to the upstream
openembedded branch to compile and boot.

At least in the -lite image every thing seems to work fine (well
ffalarms crashes), but basic telephone stuff works.
There are some glitches to be worked out (kernel sound module not loaded
by default), but in general this should now be ready to be pushed to
-unstable again. and

Keep in mind that a recompile takes at least one day and mrmoku has
started a new build on the buildhost, which might or might not finish
successfully. So if things go fine you can expect a new -unstable image
very soon now.

Thanks for you patience.

spaetz

P.S. My Tip of the Day: Do install "elementary-theme-gry" and select it
as your default. It looks pretty similar to the default theme and it is
way faster.

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> Just a very brief update.

Thanks for keeping us informed spaetz. Much appreciated!
Jan.

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Betreff: [Shr-User] What's going on (3)
Datum: Dienstag 17 November 2009
Von: Sebastian Spaeth <[hidden email]>
An: "SHR-user" <[hidden email]>

Hi all,
every day we think, THIS is the day we finally push out the new
shr-unstable, and then something happens that prevents it. Just last
week, upstream OE made a major transition that broke the compilation of
many packages and introduced weird errors (some required files were not
being installed any more, some library symlinks were missing, etc).

We have dealt with that now. The last thing we are grappling with before
we can push out: JaMa wanted to fix version numbering so we can offer
opkg upgrades rather than requiring reflashes (too often) in the future.
This was supposed to be easy but turned out to be a nightmare. Again
about 50 packages failed to compile and we have to deal with that fall out.

Once the image compiles and boots flawlessly, we'll push it out
immediately, promised :). There will be a few glitches, but overall it
is shaping up to be a nice image.

spaetz


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Hi,
Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
Once the image compiles and boots flawlessly, we'll push it out
immediately, promised :). There will be a few glitches, but overall it
is shaping up to be a nice image.
 Great News. It's really been long :-)
vendion

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:51 AM, c_c <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
>
> Once the image compiles and boots flawlessly, we'll push it out
> immediately, promised :). There will be a few glitches, but overall it
> is shaping up to be a nice image.
>
 Great News. It's really been long :-)


Agreed it has been really long, but I can say once the image is built and boots it will be worth the wait.  Thanks again for the update on what is going on in development!


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On 17 Nov 2009, at 13:06, Adam Jimerson wrote:
> Agreed it has been really long, but I can say once the image is  
> built and boots it will be worth the wait.  Thanks again for the  
> update on what is going on in development!

Yeah - I just like to echo the comments of thanks for all the hard  
work as well as keeping us mere mortals updated.


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+1

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On 17 Nov 2009, at 13:06, Adam Jimerson wrote:
> Agreed it has been really long, but I can say once the image is
> built and boots it will be worth the wait.  Thanks again for the
> update on what is going on in development!

Yeah - I just like to echo the comments of thanks for all the hard
work as well as keeping us mere mortals updated.


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Kudos to all you guys thanks waiting eagerly!!!

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, fredrik normann <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Niall Haslam <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 17 Nov 2009, at 13:06, Adam Jimerson wrote:
> Agreed it has been really long, but I can say once the image is
> built and boots it will be worth the wait.  Thanks again for the
> update on what is going on in development!

Yeah - I just like to echo the comments of thanks for all the hard
work as well as keeping us mere mortals updated.


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