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Celia Alario () Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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Crazy.... but it just might work.

For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.
The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it will be there
Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back.
And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

=0 A
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult US Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here’s the rationale. We deserve it, and AIG doesn't.
Sure it’s a crazy idea that they will say can “never work.”
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Pl an only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
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Anne Urbanek () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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It is 425.00 per person :-( Take away 8 zeroes. This is the 4th time I've received this type of email. I wonder who started this.

Anne

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Crazy.... but it just might work.

For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.

The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife would have $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?

Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.

Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads

Put away money for college – it will be there

Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.

Buy a new car – create jobs

Invest in the market – capital drives growth

Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves

Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back.

And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

=0 A

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult US Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.

Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General.

Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here’s the rationale. We deserve it, and AIG doesn't.

Sure it’s a crazy idea that they will say can “never work.”

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.

And remember, The Pl an only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

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Terry Shepherd () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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Hmmmm....interesting math.

I divided 20 million into 85 billion and got $425. I think whoever
sent this out had a good concept, but missed few details.

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Quoting Celia Alario <[hidden email]>:

>
>>
>> Crazy.... but it just might work.
>>
>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>>
>> I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It
>> Dividend.
>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona
>> fide U.S. Citizens 18+.
>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
>> and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
>> $425,000.00.
>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It
>> Dividend.
>> Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of
>> 30%.
>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
>> A husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
>> What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
>> Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
>> Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
>> Put away money for college – it will be there
>> Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.
>> Buy a new car – create jobs
>> Invest in the market – capital drives growth
>> Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves
>> Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else
>>
>> Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the
>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other
>> company that is cutting back.
>> And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
>>
>> =0 A
>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>>
>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out
>> every adult US Citizen 18+!
>>
>> As for AIG – liquidate it.
>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
>> General.
>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters
>> cut it up and clean it up.
>>
>> Here’s the rationale. We deserve it, and AIG doesn't.
>> Sure it’s a crazy idea that they will say can “never work.”
>> But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
>> How do you spell Economic Boom?
>> I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
>> Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG
>> or in Washington DC.
>> And remember, The Pl an only really costs $59.5 Billion because
>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
>>
>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.
>> Learn Now
>
>
> >
>

Judy Powers () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was $840,000,000,000.
Judy

Celia Alario wrote:

>
>>
>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>>
>>
>>
>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>>
>>
>>
>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
>> Dividend/**.
>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide
>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
>> $425,000.00.
>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve It
>> Dividend**.
>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
>> of 30%.
>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?**
>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>>
>>
>>
>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
>> that is cutting back.
>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>>
>>
>>
>> =0 A
>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>>
>>
>>
>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
>> General.
>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
>> it up and clean it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at AIG
>> or in Washington DC.
>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Live. Learn Now
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Kalen Jones () Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout Another flaw in this suggestion is that some, and hopefully most, of the bailout money will end up being returned to the Treasury after the risky debts are retired or resold. Not the case if it was handed out as a dividend.

Kalen

From: Judy Powers <judy@...>
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:58 -0700
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Subject: [CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was $840,000,000,000.
Judy

Celia Alario wrote:

>
>>
>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>>
>>
>>
>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>>
>>
>>
>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
>> Dividend/**.
>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide
>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
>> $425,000.00.
>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve It
>> Dividend**.
>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
>> of 30%.
>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?**
>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>>
>>
>>
>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
>> that is cutting back.
>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>>
>>
>>
>> =0 A
>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>>
>>
>>
>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
>> General.
>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
>> it up and clean it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at AIG
>> or in Washington DC.
>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Live. Learn Now
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Nancy Kurtz () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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Thanks Terry and Anne for doing the math. How fascinating. I've
gotten this three times & failed to notice the tragic flaw.

I agree, concept has merit.
On Oct 6, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Terry Shepherd wrote:

>
> Hmmmm....interesting math.
>
> I divided 20 million into 85 billion and got $425. I think whoever
> sent this out had a good concept, but missed few details.
>
>
> --
> Terry Shepherd
> Executive Director
> Red Rock Forests
> 90 W. Center St.
> Moab, UT 84532
> 435-259-5640
>
> Internet Services Donated by Xmission.com
>
>
>
> Quoting Celia Alario <[hidden email]>:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Crazy.... but it just might work.
>>>
>>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>>>
>>> I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
>>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It
>>> Dividend.
>>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona
>>> fide U.S. Citizens 18+.
>>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
>>> and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
>>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
>>> $425,000.00.
>>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It
>>> Dividend.
>>> Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of
>>> 30%.
>>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
>>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
>>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
>>> A husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
>>> What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
>>> Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
>>> Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
>>> Put away money for college – it will be there
>>> Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.
>>> Buy a new car – create jobs
>>> Invest in the market – capital drives growth
>>> Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves
>>> Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else
>>>
>>> Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the
>>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other
>>> company that is cutting back.
>>> And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
>>>
>>> =0 A
>>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
>>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
>>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>>>
>>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out
>>> every adult US Citizen 18+!
>>>
>>> As for AIG – liquidate it.
>>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
>>> General.
>>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters
>>> cut it up and clean it up.
>>>
>>> Here’s the rationale. We deserve it, and AIG doesn't.
>>> Sure it’s a crazy idea that they will say can “never work.”
>>> But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
>>> How do you spell Economic Boom?
>>> I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
>>> Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG
>>> or in Washington DC.
>>> And remember, The Pl an only really costs $59.5 Billion because
>>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
>>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
>>>
>>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.
>>> Learn Now
>>
>>
>>>
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Judy Powers () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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I think it's actually $4,250.00, but it gets really confusing with so
many zeros. Maybe the Congress just didn't write it out and see what
that looks like before they decided we could spend that kind of money. Judy

Anne Urbanek wrote:

> It is 425.00 per person :-( Take away 8 zeroes. This is the 4th
> time I've received this type of email. I wonder who started this.
> Anne
>
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> [hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2008 12:34 PM
> *Subject:* [CSS] Fwd: Interesting on bailout
>
>
>>
>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>>
>>
>>
>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>>
>>
>>
>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve
>> It Dividend/**.
>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona
>> fide U.S. Citizens 18+.
>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
>> and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
>> $425,000.00.
>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We
>> Deserve It Dividend**.
>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax
>> rate of 30%.
>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their
>> pocket. A husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?**
>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>>
>>
>>
>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including
>> the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other
>> company that is cutting back.
>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>>
>>
>>
>> =0 A
>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do
>> it...instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”)
>> economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our
>> candidates for President.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail
>> out every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>>
>>
>>
>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being
>> American General.
>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters
>> cut it up and clean it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at
>> AIG or in Washington DC.
>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Live. Learn Now
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Judy Powers () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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Oops, I thought that the first number was $840,000,000,000 (billion).
they added $140 billion more to the $700 billion dollard originally
proposed. Judy

Terry Shepherd wrote:

>Hmmmm....interesting math.
>
>I divided 20 million into 85 billion and got $425. I think whoever
>sent this out had a good concept, but missed few details.
>
>
>
>

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tropester2003@gmail.com () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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The bailout means nothing. Wall street people have so wrecked the
economy with fraudulent paper they leveraged at a 35:1 ratio that the
real mess is closer to 700 trillion, with a 'T'. The GOP is really the
Wall Street Party and they only pretend to care about LDS, Christian
Evangelicals and Nascar Fans. They are the poor hapless chumps. The
GOP is the party that wrecked America.

At this point, your best bet is to make your own wonderful world as
strong and as self contained as you can. Your 401k's and IRA's are
about to vaporize. I am liberal street fighter Democrat and I am
flatly amazed to see the GOP implode and start to eat it's own. But
then, this happens when your only religion is greed.

But oddly enough, I am seeing eco tech and sustainability business
models taking off when General Motors is dying. People here are
complaining about the difficulty they face trying to buy solar gear
because it is flying out the door. Nearly every other part of the
alternative energy world is awash in cash and contracts.

But it is still such a small sliver of the pie that this activity is
still below the radar.

On Oct 6, 7:12 pm, Judy Powers <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Oops, I thought that the first number was $840,000,000,000 (billion).
> they added $140 billion more to the $700 billion dollard originally
> proposed. Judy
>
> Terry Shepherd wrote:
> >Hmmmm....interesting math.
>
> >I divided 20 million into 85 billion and got $425. I think whoever
> >sent this out had a good concept, but missed few details.
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Mike Suarez () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

I hear that Paulson, formerly of Goldman Sachs, has put another Goldman Sachs-er in charge of overseeing the disbursement of the billions. Once these guys leave government “service,” they’ll be back with the same bandits they used to be with. My guess is they want to assure a warm welcome and that’s exactly what they intend to do.

I think they’re smart enough not to rob the whole $700 billion. But it won’t be far short of it.

Mike S.

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kalen Jones
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:39 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [CSS] Fwd: Interesting on bailout

Another flaw in this suggestion is that some, and hopefully most, of the bailout money will end up being returned to the Treasury after the risky debts are retired or resold. Not the case if it was handed out as a dividend.

Kalen

Judy Powers () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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In reply to this post by Kalen Jones

Actually the money goes right back in to the economy if you give it to
the people that need to spend it right away on food, etc.
Judy

Kalen Jones wrote:

> Another flaw in this suggestion is that some, and hopefully most, of
> the bailout money will end up being returned to the Treasury after the
> risky debts are retired or resold. Not the case if it was handed out
> as a dividend.
>
> Kalen
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *Judy Powers <[hidden email]>
> *Reply-To: *<[hidden email]>
> *Date: *Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:58 -0700
> *To: *<[hidden email]>
> *Subject: *[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout
>
>
> It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
> don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was $840,000,000,000.
> Judy
>
> Celia Alario wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
>>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
>>> Dividend/**.
>>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide
>>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
>>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
>>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
>>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
>>> $425,000.00.
>>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve It
>>> Dividend**.
>>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
>>> of 30%.
>>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
>>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
>>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
>>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
>>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?**
>>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
>>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
>>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
>>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
>>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
>>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
>>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
>>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
>>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
>>> that is cutting back.
>>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =0 A
>>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
>>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
>>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
>>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
>>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
>>> General.
>>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
>>> it up and clean it up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
>>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
>>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
>>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
>>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
>>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at AIG
>>> or in Washington DC.
>>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
>>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
>>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
>>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows
>>> Live. Learn Now
>>>
> <http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21550F681DAD532637%215295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >

tropester2003@gmail.com () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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The Paulsen gyrations have been ridiculous and Bernanke's rate cut
accomplished nothing. It's called 'pushing on a string'. Now, after a
vast consensus of economists and financial experts, condemned the
whole initial plan and the market cratered in an even more ominous no
confidence vote, they are finally following Britain's lead. This what
central banks usually do and what we did in the last Depression.

The bailout money should not be wasted paying face value on fraudulent
securities. That was Paulsen's original game plan... what an idiot! He
even wanted power to abandon the 'mark to market' rule, a core of the
investment world.
'
Mark to market means you have to find out what a security is really
worth and enter that number in your accounts. The swindlers wanted
none of it and Paulsen tried to cover them by allowing them to keep
the fiction that the securities are worth an imaginary value.

Paulsen is so part of the problem that he has no business trying to
fix it. It was cute seeing reality slap him down and force him into
the corner of common sense. The Dow will probably sink to 6000 before
long as that is where it was meant to be all along. The rest was all
froth. October 15th is the day when everyone gets their 401k
statements. Yikes.

On Oct 9, 12:37 pm, Judy Powers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Actually the money goes right back in to the economy if you give it to
> the people that need to spend it right away on food, etc.
> Judy
>
> Kalen Jones wrote:
> > Another flaw in this suggestion is that some, and hopefully most, of
> > the bailout money will end up being returned to the Treasury after the
> > risky debts are retired or resold. Not the case if it was handed out
> > as a dividend.
>
> > Kalen
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From: *Judy Powers <[hidden email]>
> > *Reply-To: *<[hidden email]>
> > *Date: *Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:58 -0700
> > *To: *<[hidden email]>
> > *Subject: *[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout
>
> > It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
> > don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was $840,000,000,000.
> > Judy
>
> > Celia Alario wrote:
>
> >>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>
> >>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>
> >>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
> >>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
> >>> Dividend/**.
> >>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide
> >>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
> >>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
> >>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
> >>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
> >>> $425,000.00.
> >>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve It
> >>> Dividend**.
> >>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
> >>> of 30%.
> >>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
> >>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
> >>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
> >>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
> >>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?**
> >>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
> >>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
> >>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
> >>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
> >>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
> >>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
> >>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
> >>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>
> >>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
> >>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
> >>> that is cutting back.
> >>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>
> >>> =0 A
> >>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
> >>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
> >>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>
> >>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
> >>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>
> >>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
> >>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
> >>> General.
> >>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
> >>> it up and clean it up.
>
> >>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
> >>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
> >>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
> >>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
> >>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
> >>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at AIG
> >>> or in Washington DC.
> >>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
> >>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
> >>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
> >>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows
> >>> Live. Learn Now
>
> > <http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog...>

solarmon () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

Reply Threaded

Interesting to see that the stock market its "surging" now that the
"fearless leaders" of the world have committed the (unwilling but
helpless) taxpayers to buy the stupid and greedy bank and stock scum
out of the inevitable results of their greed and stupidity.

EAT THE RICH!!!

On Oct 11, 7:13 pm, "[hidden email]"
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Paulsen gyrations have been ridiculous and Bernanke's rate cut
> accomplished nothing. It's called 'pushing on a string'. Now, after a
> vast consensus of economists and financial experts, condemned the
> whole initial plan and the market cratered in an even more ominous no
> confidence vote, they are finally following Britain's lead. This what
> central banks usually do and what we did in the last Depression.
>
> The bailout money should not be wasted paying face value on fraudulent
> securities. That was Paulsen's original game plan... what an idiot! He
> even wanted power to abandon the 'mark to market' rule, a core of the
> investment world.
> '
> Mark to market means you have to find out what a security is really
> worth and enter that number in your accounts. The swindlers wanted
> none of it and Paulsen tried to cover them by allowing them to keep
> the fiction that the securities are worth an imaginary value.
>
> Paulsen is so part of the problem that he has no business trying to
> fix it. It was cute seeing reality slap him down and force him into
> the corner of common sense. The Dow will probably sink to 6000 before
> long as that is where it was meant to be all along. The rest was all
> froth. October 15th is the day when everyone gets their 401k
> statements. Yikes.
>
> On Oct 9, 12:37 pm, Judy Powers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Actually the money goes right back in to the economy if you give it to
> > the people that need to spend it right away on food, etc.
> > Judy
>
> > Kalen Jones wrote:
> > > Another flaw in this suggestion is that some, and hopefully most, of
> > > the bailout money will end up being returned to the Treasury after the
> > > risky debts are retired or resold. Not the case if it was handed out
> > > as a dividend.
>
> > > Kalen
>
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From: *Judy Powers <[hidden email]>
> > > *Reply-To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > *Date: *Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:58 -0700
> > > *To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > *Subject: *[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout
>
> > > It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
> > > don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was $840,000,000,000.
> > > Judy
>
> > > Celia Alario wrote:
>
> > >>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>
> > >>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>
> > >>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
> > >>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
> > >>> Dividend/**.
> > >>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide
> > >>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
> > >>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
> > >>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
> > >>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
> > >>> $425,000.00.
> > >>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve It
> > >>> Dividend**.
> > >>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
> > >>> of 30%.
> > >>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
> > >>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
> > >>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
> > >>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
> > >>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?**
> > >>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
> > >>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
> > >>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
> > >>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
> > >>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
> > >>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
> > >>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
> > >>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>
> > >>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
> > >>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
> > >>> that is cutting back.
> > >>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>
> > >>> =0 A
> > >>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
> > >>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
> > >>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>
> > >>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
> > >>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>
> > >>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
> > >>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
> > >>> General.
> > >>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
> > >>> it up and clean it up.
>
> > >>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
> > >>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
> > >>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
> > >>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
> > >>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
> > >>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at AIG
> > >>> or in Washington DC.
> > >>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
> > >>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
> > >>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
> > >>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>
> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows
> > >>> Live. Learn Now
>
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Mike Suarez () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

Reply Threaded

I don't think "eating the rich" will work. I've no doubt that greed is
bitter and sour - and it appears to be lethally poisonous to the soul.

Now, rich chocolate ... .

Mike S.

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of solarmon
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:22 AM
To: Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions
Subject: [CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

Interesting to see that the stock market its "surging" now that the
"fearless leaders" of the world have committed the (unwilling but
helpless) taxpayers to buy the stupid and greedy bank and stock scum
out of the inevitable results of their greed and stupidity.

EAT THE RICH!!!

On Oct 11, 7:13 pm, "[hidden email]"
<[hidden email]> wrote:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From: *Judy Powers <[hidden email]>
> > > *Reply-To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > *Date: *Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:58 -0700
> > > *To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > *Subject: *[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout
>
> > > It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
> > > don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was
$840,000,000,000.

> > > Judy
>
> > > Celia Alario wrote:
>
> > >>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>
> > >>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>
> > >>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
> > >>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
> > >>> Dividend/**.
> > >>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona

fide
> > >>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
> > >>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and
> > >>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
> > >>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
> > >>> $425,000.00.
> > >>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve
It
> > >>> Dividend**.
> > >>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
> > >>> of 30%.
> > >>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
> > >>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
> > >>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
> > >>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
> > >>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your
family?**

> > >>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
> > >>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
> > >>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
> > >>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
> > >>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
> > >>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
> > >>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
> > >>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>
> > >>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
> > >>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
> > >>> that is cutting back.
> > >>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>
> > >>> =0 A
> > >>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
> > >>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
> > >>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>
> > >>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
> > >>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>
> > >>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
> > >>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
> > >>> General.
> > >>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
> > >>> it up and clean it up.
>
> > >>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
> > >>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never

work.”**
> > >>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
> > >>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
> > >>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
> > >>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at
AIG
> > >>> or in Washington DC.
> > >>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
> > >>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
> > >>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
> > >>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>
> > >>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows
> > >>> Live. Learn Now
>
> > >
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Kevin Fitzgerald-2 () Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

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In reply to this post by solarmon

Hey Brudda... We are floating the River Tuesday Eve... cold but fun - ya
wanna go??

----- Original Message -----
From: "solarmon" <[hidden email]>
To: "Canyonlands Sustainable Solutions"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:21 AM
Subject: [CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout

Interesting to see that the stock market its "surging" now that the
"fearless leaders" of the world have committed the (unwilling but
helpless) taxpayers to buy the stupid and greedy bank and stock scum
out of the inevitable results of their greed and stupidity.

EAT THE RICH!!!

On Oct 11, 7:13 pm, "[hidden email]"
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Paulsen gyrations have been ridiculous and Bernanke's rate cut
> accomplished nothing. It's called 'pushing on a string'. Now, after a
> vast consensus of economists and financial experts, condemned the
> whole initial plan and the market cratered in an even more ominous no
> confidence vote, they are finally following Britain's lead. This what
> central banks usually do and what we did in the last Depression.
>
> The bailout money should not be wasted paying face value on fraudulent
> securities. That was Paulsen's original game plan... what an idiot! He
> even wanted power to abandon the 'mark to market' rule, a core of the
> investment world.
> '
> Mark to market means you have to find out what a security is really
> worth and enter that number in your accounts. The swindlers wanted
> none of it and Paulsen tried to cover them by allowing them to keep
> the fiction that the securities are worth an imaginary value.
>
> Paulsen is so part of the problem that he has no business trying to
> fix it. It was cute seeing reality slap him down and force him into
> the corner of common sense. The Dow will probably sink to 6000 before
> long as that is where it was meant to be all along. The rest was all
> froth. October 15th is the day when everyone gets their 401k
> statements. Yikes.
>
> On Oct 9, 12:37 pm, Judy Powers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Actually the money goes right back in to the economy if you give it to
> > the people that need to spend it right away on food, etc.
> > Judy
>
> > Kalen Jones wrote:
> > > Another flaw in this suggestion is that some, and hopefully most, of
> > > the bailout money will end up being returned to the Treasury after the
> > > risky debts are retired or resold. Not the case if it was handed out
> > > as a dividend.
>
> > > Kalen
>
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From: *Judy Powers <[hidden email]>
> > > *Reply-To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > *Date: *Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:58 -0700
> > > *To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > *Subject: *[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout
>
> > > It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
> > > don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was
> > > $840,000,000,000.
> > > Judy
>
> > > Celia Alario wrote:
>
> > >>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>
> > >>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>
> > >>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
> > >>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
> > >>> Dividend/**.
> > >>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona
> > >>> fide
> > >>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
> > >>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
> > >>> and
> > >>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
> > >>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
> > >>> $425,000.00.
> > >>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve
> > >>> It
> > >>> Dividend**.
> > >>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
> > >>> of 30%.
> > >>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
> > >>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
> > >>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
> > >>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
> > >>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your
> > >>> family?**
> > >>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
> > >>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
> > >>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
> > >>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
> > >>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
> > >>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
> > >>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
> > >>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>
> > >>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
> > >>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
> > >>> that is cutting back.
> > >>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>
> > >>> =0 A
> > >>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
> > >>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
> > >>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>
> > >>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
> > >>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>
> > >>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
> > >>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
> > >>> General.
> > >>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
> > >>> it up and clean it up.
>
> > >>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
> > >>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
> > >>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
> > >>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
> > >>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
> > >>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at
> > >>> AIG
> > >>> or in Washington DC.
> > >>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
> > >>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
> > >>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
> > >>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>
> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows
> > >>> Live. Learn Now
>
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There wasn't much surging. What you are seeing is something like a
heart attack patient going into various convulsions punctuated by
quiet moments or seemingly 'healthy' moments. And we do have general
confirmation that as of 10/15, 401k plans lost 2 trillion dollars over
the past 15 months from the market top at 13thousand something DJIA.

On Oct 13, 11:21 am, solarmon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Interesting to see that the stock market its "surging" now that the
> "fearless leaders" of the world have committed the (unwilling but
> helpless) taxpayers to buy the stupid and greedy bank and stock scum
> out of the inevitable results of their greed and stupidity.
>
> EAT THE RICH!!!
>
> On Oct 11, 7:13 pm, "[hidden email]"
>
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > The Paulsen gyrations have been ridiculous and Bernanke's rate cut
> > accomplished nothing. It's called 'pushing on a string'. Now, after a
> > vast consensus of economists and financial experts, condemned the
> > whole initial plan and the market cratered in an even more ominous no
> > confidence vote, they are finally following Britain's lead. This what
> > central banks usually do and what we did in the last Depression.
>
> > The bailout money should not be wasted paying face value on fraudulent
> > securities. That was Paulsen's original game plan... what an idiot! He
> > even wanted power to abandon the 'mark to market' rule, a core of the
> > investment world.
> > '
> > Mark to market means you have to find out what a security is really
> > worth and enter that number in your accounts. The swindlers wanted
> > none of it and Paulsen tried to cover them by allowing them to keep
> > the fiction that the securities are worth an imaginary value.
>
> > Paulsen is so part of the problem that he has no business trying to
> > fix it. It was cute seeing reality slap him down and force him into
> > the corner of common sense. The Dow will probably sink to 6000 before
> > long as that is where it was meant to be all along. The rest was all
> > froth. October 15th is the day when everyone gets their 401k
> > statements. Yikes.
>
> > On Oct 9, 12:37 pm, Judy Powers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > > Actually the money goes right back in to the economy if you give it to
> > > the people that need to spend it right away on food, etc.
> > > Judy
>
> > > Kalen Jones wrote:
> > > > Another flaw in this suggestion is that some, and hopefully most, of
> > > > the bailout money will end up being returned to the Treasury after the
> > > > risky debts are retired or resold. Not the case if it was handed out
> > > > as a dividend.
>
> > > > Kalen
>
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > *From: *Judy Powers <[hidden email]>
> > > > *Reply-To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > > *Date: *Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:58 -0700
> > > > *To: *<[hidden email]>
> > > > *Subject: *[CSS] Re: Fwd: Interesting on bailout
>
> > > > It certainly is better than what they DID, but the big flaw is that we
> > > > don't have it in the first place!! Plus I thought it was $840,000,000,000.
> > > > Judy
>
> > > > Celia Alario wrote:
>
> > > >>> **Crazy.... but it just might work. **
>
> > > >>> For once, something I can agree with wholeheartedly.
>
> > > >>> **I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.**
> > > >>> Instead, give the $85,000,000,000 to America in a **/We Deserve It
> > > >>> Dividend/**.
> > > >>> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide
> > > >>> U.S. Citizens 18+.
> > > >>> Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
> > > >>> child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…
> > > >>> So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals
> > > >>> $425,000.00.
> > > >>> The plan would give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a **We Deserve It
> > > >>> Dividend**.
> > > >>> Of course, it would **NOT** be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate
> > > >>> of 30%.
> > > >>> Every individual 18+ would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends
> > > >>> $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
> > > >>> But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A
> > > >>> husband and wife would have $595,000.00.
> > > >>> **What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?**
> > > >>> **Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.**
> > > >>> **Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads**
> > > >>> **Put away money for college – it will be there**
> > > >>> **Save in a bank – create money to lend to entrepreneurs.**
> > > >>> **Buy a new car – create jobs**
> > > >>> **Invest in the market – capital drives growth**
> > > >>> **Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves**
> > > >>> **Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else**
>
> > > >>> **Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ **including the
> > > >>> folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
> > > >>> that is cutting back.
> > > >>> **And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.**
>
> > > >>> =0 A
> > > >>> If we're going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead
> > > >>> of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 (“vote buy”) economic incentive
> > > >>> that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
>
> > > >>> If we're going to execute an $85 billion bailout, **/let’s bail out
> > > >>> every adult US Citizen 18+!/**
>
> > > >>> **As for AIG – liquidate it.**
> > > >>> Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American
> > > >>> General.
> > > >>> Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut
> > > >>> it up and clean it up.
>
> > > >>> **Here’s the rationale.** **/We deserve it, and AIG doesn't./**
> > > >>> **Sure it’s a crazy idea that ***they will say ***can “never work.”**
> > > >>> But can you imagine the **/Coast-To-Coast Block Party/**!
> > > >>> How do you spell** Economic Boom?**
> > > >>> **I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85
> > > >>> Billion /We Deserve It Dividend/** more than I do the geniuses at AIG
> > > >>> or in Washington DC.
> > > >>> And remember, The Pl an only /really /costs $59.5 Billion because
> > > >>> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.** **
> > > >>> our life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now
> > > >>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/>
>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows
> > > >>> Live. Learn Now
>
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